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Immigrants boost German population

The Local · 2 Jul 2012, 15:55

Published: 02 Jul 2012 15:55 GMT+02:00

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The office's latest estimate suggests that the German population grew by 90,000 people last year, with the numbers boosted by around 163,000 Poles, 95,000 Romanians, 51,000 Bulgarians, and 41,000 Hungarians all settling in the country in 2011.

But despite this positive development, authorities still believe that the population will continue to decline in coming decades, because Germans are not having enough babies.

The office says that there would need to be an average of 2.1 children per woman in order to sustain the current population level – but the current birth-rate is well below that at 1.4. Even the current rate of immigration to Germany is not enough to make up the deficit.

The number of live births in Germany dropped again last year, with 663,000 babies born - 15,000 or 2.2 percent less than in 2010. This compares with 852,000 deaths in 2011, also slightly fewer than in 2010, when 859,000 people died.

This deficit of births to deaths continues a four-decade old trend in Germany – more people have died than been born in the country since 1972. The number of marriages is also declining, with only 378,000 marriages last year - 4,000 fewer than 2010.

But demographers see no particular cause for alarm, since Germany still has the fourth highest population density in Europe - with around 230 people per square kilometre.

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17:34 July 2, 2012 by Bushdiver
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18:57 July 2, 2012 by William Thirteen
cue the racist, xenophobic commentariat...
19:24 July 2, 2012 by Englishted
@William Thirteen

Sorry but any comment I make can't be xenophobic simply because I'm not German.

But I have a question (or two) if the immigration from the East continues at this rate what will happen to the old people there ?,and I don't see this as a solution to Germans problem unless they intend to stay and never return .

Until there is zero unemployment (yeah) ,I agree that why is this a "positive development" or for whom is it a positive ?.
20:13 July 2, 2012 by Englishted
Hold on -----663,000 born ,852,000 deaths , shortfall =189,000.

350,000 new arrivals = 161,000.

So where comes the 90,000 increase ?.

I Germany you have a piece of paper and are registered as to your address etc ,etc.

So why estimates why not facts , the Federal Statistical Office is cooking the books again .

Sorry uncle Vanya just can't help it .
00:03 July 3, 2012 by Anth2305
Immigration and asylum equals one giant Ponzi scheme, as the immigrants themselves get old and sick need need nursing, require pensions, housing, utilities and resources etc.

The solution is to then import another few million to look after the increasingly dependent and expanding population, until one day when the money runs out it all becomes totally unsustainable, indeed the fault lines are already beginning to appear in various countries around Europe.
11:01 July 3, 2012 by hankeat
I don't see any problem here. Less children, which means they have less 'troubles' in raising the 'wrong' children. More immigrants, which means they take in more right people for the right jobs. Getting right foreign talents save the country decades of efforts to raise right local talents.
11:54 July 3, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ Englishted

Regarding your mathematical question, one possible answer is the missing figure for Germans that emigrated. Of course, the number of immigrants is also a bit higher than 350,000 (due to those coming from other countries than the four listed). Wild guess: some 20,000 more immigrants from countries not listed and some 90,000 Germans emigrating.

I think nobody can tell for sure what will happen with the older persons in the countries where the immigrants are coming from. However, I think that their pension is not paid by people who would increase the unemployment there. Also, East European immigrants are usually saving some money that are then sent to their families back home. For example, Romanians working abroad sent their families in 2011 some 6 billion EUR (yes, that's a lot, about 3 times more than the amount attracted from European Union funds).

"Positive development"? As long as the unemployment figures in Germany continue to drop while the tax collected increases, I would say that is positive for most of the people.
13:11 July 3, 2012 by michael4096
@Englishted - "any comment I make can't be xenophobic simply because I'm not German"

Of course you can! Xenophobia only relates to your attitude to others not your own status. However, you don't make such comments so moot point.

If the unemployed of another country come to Germany and contribute to German taxes it benefits both countries. Any social payments forgone in the home country can now go towards pensions. If they stay in Germany they don't later collect home pension. If they return home they take their German pension with them - good for everybody.

If Germany poaches otherwise employed people by providing a better life then it still tends to shrink unemployment in the home country and it provides the home country with an incentive to create the same opportunities to entice those now experienced expatriates back. Ireland is a perfect example of how this can and does work to everybody's benefit.
13:46 July 3, 2012 by EinWolf
Pet peeve alert: Less children, which means they have less 'troubles' >>> FEWER children and FEWER troubles.

OK, y'all can go back to the subject at hand.
11:36 July 5, 2012 by michael4096

You are correct in the short term. However, in the longer term protecting your own simply leads to inefficiency in global terms which make everybody in the country comparatively poorer. When the cruch does come, which it always does, it comes hard and everybody suffers. The British coal industry comes to mind.
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