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Surprise for historians raising WWII plane

The Local · 17 Jun 2012, 15:13

Published: 17 Jun 2012 15:13 GMT+02:00

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The aircraft, originally thought to be a Ju 87, is now believed to be a Junkers 88, which is almost twice as big, according to newspaper reports.

Experts at the Bundeswehr Military History Musuem in Sassnitz who have been taking part in the excavation, told Focus magazine on Friday that new plane parts have been uncovered which suggest the plane is a larger model than previously thought.

“It’s probably a Ju 88, which was almost twice as big,” museum spokesman Sebastian Bangert told the magazine.

The Junker 88 has two engines and was usually a four-man aircraft, according to the paper. The confusion arose because both planes were constructed using some of the same parts.

The excavation, which has been underway for weeks, had been scheduled to finish on Friday, but the team continued to search for human remains or ID tags of the crew, of whom no trace has yet been found.

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18:08 June 17, 2012 by IchBinKönig
An obvious CIA plant. The Elites at Bild Magazine want to make this look like a Vater's Tag cake.
18:46 June 17, 2012 by rnims
the war is over, relax. this is interesting.
08:00 June 18, 2012 by The-ex-pat
"The aircraft, originally thought to be a Ju 87, is now believed to be a Junkers 88, which is almost twice as big, according to newspaper reports"

So these so called experts think it could be one of two aircraft, probably the latter. Now call me a bit picky about the qualities that make an expert an expert, but the Ju 87 is a single engined aircraft with the engine on the nose and a Ju 88 is twin engined, one being on each wing. Now, either the wreak has one engine on the nose, or two engines on the wings. There is an outside possibility that it has on one engine........and a hole where the other on was. This ain't rocket science...........................................
08:23 June 18, 2012 by wood artist
@The-ex-pat While your logic is impeccable, the truth is somewhat different. If you look at the two aircraft, you'd see that they share a very similar cockpit configuration, and underwater, if only the top of the plane was above the mud line, it's entirely possible to confuse the two. Without measurements, and in limited visibility, it's possible a diver would describe what he/she saw and conclude it was a Stuka when it wasn't.

Otherwise, your observations are accurate, and I'm sure as soon as they can see the nose, they'll know for certain. Having done some diving, unless the water is very clear, you often can't really distinguish details, especially with a muddy bottom.

09:44 June 18, 2012 by The-ex-pat
WA, I bow to your knowledge of how murky the depths can be ( I have only ever dived once and that was in a swimming pool....lol) to identify a wreak, however, the "experts" should be able to ID the aircraft from the parts raised so far. As for the cockpit, one is a tandem seat and one is single seat, another big give away. Is it wide enough for two people or not. I make no critic of the people who found the aircraft, but if other people want to label themselves as experts, then I have to ask in this case, experts in what?
12:27 June 18, 2012 by wood artist

The cockpit is longer in the 88, but depending upon the exact model, the "glass nose" of the bomber might be metal...as it was in the later "fighter" configurations. If...and I am simply assuming a possible explanation...they saw the front of the cockpit, and either didn't "measure it" or weren't able to see all of it, one could easily be mistaken for the other. If the tail was sticking up, it might be easy to identify which, since one is much "squarer" than the other, but it if was just a "shape" rising out of the mud, again it's possible to miss the difference.

The other obvious clues...wider wingspan and multiple engines as opposed to a single engine could be hidden in the mud, but it might have been possible to see a prop sticking up.

Regardless, they were both great planes in their time, and made major contributions to the Germany military at the beginning of the war. Later advancements made them less useful, and the JU-87 Stuka was very vulnerable because it was slow. The 88, originally a bomber, was used in multiple roles and was an effective night fighter when equipped with a Lichtenstein SN-2 radar system and Schräge Musik, the nickname for machine guns mounted to shoot upwards. This allowed the crew to locate allied bombers at night, and then attack by simply cruising below the target.

Also perhaps interesting was that the 88 used an engine that had the radiators mounted directly behind the props and in front of the engine, which made them very efficient and they required a minimum number of connections to the engine block.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they actually find.

15:24 June 18, 2012 by Leo Strauss
Would love to see a flying StuKa at an airshow here in Germany. Have seen the ME 109 and the ME 262, which was a really a treat. And of course, the Tante Ju in Dessau. But a diving StuKa with siren...
22:07 June 18, 2012 by wenddiver
As a tourist type I would love to see a JU-87 dive attack someday. This might be a project for somebody in the Military
04:19 June 19, 2012 by coffeelover
Do not want to rain on anyone's ww2 nostalgia parade, but as a german-american, i fail to see the intense interest here, as a german i would rather put this chapter behind as in completely behind, and focus on the here and now, and the future. Historic aviation is fine, just not this kind.
12:07 June 19, 2012 by Sastry.M
Wonder why interest is stirred for pulling up painstakingly a fallen ww2 plane and discuss its technical details.

Hope it may not be repaired and rebuilt as a threat to Pentagon as did by one on 9/11!
14:00 June 19, 2012 by Leo Strauss

I am a fan of these wonderful historic aircraft and like nothing more than to see them brought back to life and in flight. Built the models as a kid and have the flight simulators now. I`m talking ME 262s, P 51s, Spitfires and even a Sturmovik.

As a child I could see and sometimes talk to survivors from both sides of WW2 who were still flying! The war was never glorified at these events and I have never been to an airshow in Germany where there was an atmosphere of nostalgia or a yearning to have another go at it. On the contrary, it was always very moving to see former enemies together as friends and celebrating their old `kites`. :)
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