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Islamist urges 'death for far-right party members'

The Local · 21 May 2012, 08:46

Published: 21 May 2012 08:46 GMT+02:00

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The taz newspaper reported on Monday that an Islamist from Bonn, western Germany, appeared in a video on an Islamic forum in which he encouraged "the killing of all activists from the Pro NRW party".

Members of the small extreme-right political party held a campaign event using anti-Muslim caricatures ahead of an election in Germany's most populous state North Rhine-Westphalia on May 13.

In his appeal, the Islamist urged the collection of personal information on Pro NRW members, including their home addresses and work schedules, with the goal of attacking them.

"We take this message seriously," an interior ministry spokesman told the newspaper, which said the man had broadcast messages for the "Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan".

Several police were injured during recent clashes between Islamists and Pro NRW members.

The right-wing activists have for several years campaigned against the construction of mosques and have in some protests marched with cartoons of Mohammed that were initially published by a Danish newspaper in 2005, leading to a wave of violence and anger across the Muslim world.

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Islam strictly prohibits the depiction of any prophet as blasphemous.


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10:36 May 21, 2012 by mobaisch
dear the local,

It does not only " that regularly provokes ultra-conservative Muslims using cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed."

It provokes any non religious muslim into becoming ultra-conservative!! believe me, i am almost becoming one of them after seeing all the hate.
10:56 May 21, 2012 by CensorThis
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10:59 May 21, 2012 by herzlich
@CensorThis, great comment. Keep it up. Love the phobia.

Man, do u believe that any stupid statement from any stupid person should get place in media just to provoke people?? Just to keep all matters alive and let the people fight?? I really think common sense is no more common. Soon this will be most commented article with a lot of hate for all people.
11:17 May 21, 2012 by CensorThis
@Herzlich - Do you believe any Fatwa should also be propagated and followed out? I was responding to Mobaisch who is saying he agrees with these people being executed.

I do not agree with people going and protesting mosques, but understand they might have issue with their rural towns being taken over. It is not something I would do, but I do believe they have a right to do it. I feel the members of the mosque have the right to protest also.

When one group brings weapons and attacks the police that are there to create a buffer and then calls for the heads of people holding demonstration signs, I do have issue.

It is amazing to me that someone as enlightened as yourself does not see the problem with this. Maybe I should also have my head cut off or be physically assaulted for posting opinions that you do not agree with on this forum.

Stop with the accusations of "racism", "hate", and "phobia". It is not phobia when people have a legitamate fear that one of these pyschos will show up at their homes to behead them in front of their families over them holding up a sign.

BTW, what is your opinion on Womens rights and LGBT rights?
11:58 May 21, 2012 by William Thirteen
let's imagine the situation reversed. If the Pro NRW members advocated violence against the individual from Bonn, or a group which they believed to be their enemy, we would be rightfully outraged as threats of violence are not tolerated in a democracy - or are at least reserved for the organs of the state. We should not apply a separate logic only because of the religious beliefs of the individual from Bonn or the reprehensible behavior of the Pro NRW party.

'As Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis advised, in his famous Whitney v. California opinion in 1927, "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."'

12:06 May 21, 2012 by herzlich
@CensorThis , I do have problems with all those people who are distrubing the peace of others. I consider Extremist to those people who are not holding their faith by doing good deeds but by letting down others. I am against the people who are not convinicing me with their arguments but by showing of their power. You know people like me are getting hurt from both sides. Its quite easy to be famous by giving hard statements and you are hero in media.

What I am of the view that if Extremist who happened to be Muslim has nothign to do with ISLAM as a whole. Similarly the Extremist in any other party does not necessary reflect the idea of all people. But when its a time to put blame then Blame goes to ISLAM and to Prophet and there I have a problem.

Why someone should be allowed to hurt me in a irregular manner? Why I am being victimised of some Black Sheep deeds? Not only you, WE ALL got a problem with extremist but they should be delt on individual level.

You have a right to hae your opinion so I have a right to have my opinion but who gave me right to hurt you and who gave you right to hurt me? Thats I do not understand at all .
12:17 May 21, 2012 by mobaisch
I love how western people learned some words like Fatwa or Madrasa or Jihadist and started using them as weird scary monsters hehe..

there are "hundreds of millions" of "thousands of muslims" in the world. if one bearded fag came out on TV and said some funny thing, we laugh and keeps on living. But western media repeats stuff so that @CensorThis stay terrified and worried about his culture!

I live here and work in an intelligent job and "integrated" by my own terms, and I love it, my german friends love it, and the people who matters love it..

@CensorThis I was just making a point that "provoking" does not give the result you wish for/think will happen. I am glad you opened up though!
12:20 May 21, 2012 by LiberalGuy
So it looks like the local's traffic must be down. They had a bit of success with the beach bum story, but how many frat boy articles can you run to keep your numbers up. I know, lets go back to good ol' dependable race baiting. That'll get the comments and traffic up. Well done local, you stay in business for another week.

Now I'm part of the problem
12:21 May 21, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ herzlich

If the deeds you refer to are "black sheep deeds" then there are an awful lot of muslim black sheep around that back up their deeds with quotes from the Koran. In most cases these "extremists" claim to be very devout muslims. Their religion prescribes actions like stoning adulterers, apostates, beating women and commanding jihad of every believer.
12:30 May 21, 2012 by michael4096
The article talks about one islamist. Not three, like the number of neo-nazi nut jobs killing those döner makers; not hundreds like the number of NRW party member deliberately provoking problems and certainly not four million like the number of peaceful muslims being provoked. Just one.

However, when mobaisch responds warning that all of the hate being stirred up is actually playing into the hands of the few extremist islamists he is instantly pelted with more hate. Only this time it's wrapped in seeming reasonableness: maybe you should live elsewhere; please, let us keep our culture; it is not phobia to fear islamists... Well, to me, given that in Germany far more muslims have died at the hand of neo-nazis than anyone dying at the hand of muslims, this is pure hate and a large part of the problem.
12:32 May 21, 2012 by herzlich
@Mr. Wonderful,

So I invite you to please read Quran and understand it and then look where those people stays. If I claim I am president of USA, do u blieve that ;)

Do not you worry, according to them .. I am also Culprit and will be punished :P but if you say Quran is wrong and Prophet is worng or etc , you are putting all us in one queue and that I call EXTREMISIM. I love a quote, I am only responsible what I said and not what you understood. So read Quran , understand it , try to find examples from Prophet and then compare those people where they stood. :)

Last comment, and The Local is really doing good. @LiberalGuy, thumbs up :)
13:26 May 21, 2012 by CensorThis
@herzlich - You are wrong. Your prophet is false. There is only one God and it is my God.

I guess I need to be killed for thinking the same way you think . . . .
13:52 May 21, 2012 by mobaisch
everybody out of internet and go to your normal lives :).. ciao from me
13:54 May 21, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ liberalguy

Your posts have * always* been part of the problem. Not because you comment on legitimate concerns about whats happening in the real world as reflected in thelocal but because you willfully misunderstand what those events mean. No wonder herzlich gives you a thumbs up.

@ michael4096

One man's hate is another man's very reasonable concern. And there are a lot of very concerned, reasonable folks in Germany worried about this problem. The problem arises when concern turns to violence.
14:27 May 21, 2012 by LiberalGuy
@Mr. Wonderful

Are you breaking up with me?

Yes I'm the problem not the journalistic excellence the local displays.

If you use google you can much more thorough reporting on the issue from spiegelonline, taz (the source article) or even the freaking Bild. You should read them instead of spending too much time on here thinking your changing the world. I tried to add links but the local rejects them. (something i wish they did more often)

So yes I'm the problem. I look forward to reading you sparkling analysis of the real world legitimate concerns.
15:37 May 21, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
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15:54 May 21, 2012 by michael4096
@Mr. Wonderful - sorry, I disagree - hate is hate - word games are word games

When normal people have concerns they raise them and try to fix them. One extremist muslim, on the other hand, resorts to violent threats. And, hateful Local posters twist facts - such as your own: "Their religion prescribes actions like stoning adulterers..." As you have conveniently forgotten christianity proscribes exactly the same. However, there are just about zero members of either faith in Germany that agree.
16:25 May 21, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ michael4096

And the last time we had a scourge of christian stonings and honor killings was?
17:01 May 21, 2012 by michael4096
@Mr. Wonderful - In Germany, the last christian stoning was probably more recently than the last muslim stoning

In other countries - despite the bible, christians seem to prefer machetes today - specially, against homosexuals

Ah! But, that wasn't what you meant was it? Got to follow the moving goal posts. Always use leading questions.

The problem seems to me to be that you and some other posters have an irrational fear of 4 million people in Germany and you want everybody else to feel the same. So you insist on these hateful internet rampages to convince others to join your way of thinking. Be afraid! Be very afraid! These people are different! No they aren't different. They're exactly the same as everybody else - they even have people that are so afraid of non-muslims they spread hate - just like you.
17:16 May 21, 2012 by herzlich
@michael4096 man I was never able to express my views so comprehensively like you did.
17:38 May 21, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ michael4096

As usual you have fingered the wrong problem. The problem is the huge number of muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11. The goalposts aren't moving michael4096, you're the one thats squirming.
20:40 May 21, 2012 by intensive_care
Why are we polluting the society with hate and prejudice? Our kids shouldn't bear the consequences of our unfortunate behaviors. When we criticize rather defame an ideologies, rituals or norms others love, we are trying to fill the gap of the same missing thing in our life. Lets try to bring people closer and try to think why people act the way they do?
20:45 May 21, 2012 by Englishted
Just one question :

If I draw this :-( and say it is Mohamed on a Monday morning ,should i be killed for the depiction ,if not why not? ,if so why so?
21:51 May 21, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ Englishted

If you show the drawing to your friends, nobody has any problem with you. If you do this in public, you will earn from the regular people (Muslim or not) a reputation of a nutcase that likes to provoke, but still you will get away with it because you have the freedom of speech. If you run screaming in/around a mosque, it means that you do not respect the right of Muslims to exercise their religion in peace (this is clearly stated in the Constitution). So you will be punished by the state justice system, but not with death. That's all. So if you are to lose sleep from fear of death, a better reason would be that the neo-Nazis will take you as Muslim.
23:18 May 21, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
Not quite ChrisRea. If Englishted displays a drawing of Mohammed in public in germany he may very well come to bodily harm, freedom of speech nothwithstanding as Danish journalists found out not too long ago. Muslims tried to kill said journalists and destroy the newspaper offices for publishing an image of their dear leader as forbidden in Islam.
08:51 May 22, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ Mr. Wonderful

If we talk about theoretical possibilities (what MAY happen; anything that has the slightest chance to happen), then you could also be physically harmed if you provoke a man by saying that his wife is a prostitute (if he is drunk you have an increased chance to say your life good-bye). On the other hand, you have similar chances to win the jackpot at the national lottery.

Let's not give this extreme right-wing pro-NRW party too much publicity. These people got enough of it when back in 1993 they offered a bounty of 1000 Mark for each drowned asylum seeker. Or when they defended they guy known as "Hitler of Köln". Since January 2012 they are officially labeled as organisation that promotes right-wing terrorism.
12:17 May 22, 2012 by michael4096
@Mr. Wonderful

"The goalposts aren't moving..."

Really? What do you call your persistent topic changes?

Now we are to believe that Germans are concerned about islamic international terrorism affecting their lives. I suspect that you don't actually know Germany very well. After nearly 15 years of living and working here in a German company with Germans, I can honestly say that nobody has ever expressed fear of islamic terrorism here. Yes, I know I'm only one person and mileage may vary etc. But, you would think with all the fear you are asserting exists that someone among the thousands I know might have noticed something, somewhere.

"The problem is the huge number of muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11."

What is a muslim terrorist attack? An attack perpetrated by a muslim? If so, there are just as many terrorist attacks by others such as christians, hindus, buddists and people with no religious affiliation at all. So by that reckoning, we should fear everybody.

Maybe you mean by a muslim for some religious rather than, say, a political or criminal motive; after all, the various IRAs, FARC, ETA... don't murder in the name of christianity. Well count them, there's a list of terrorist attacks on Wikipedia, you can go through them... Found one yet?

Germans do not fear islamic terrorism because, as ChrisRea says, they are more likely to get hurt by being mistaken for a muslim and targeted by neo-nazis. Your fear mongering is baseless.
12:51 May 22, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ ChrisRea


I have an idea for a small experiment. Why don't you make a large drawing of the prophet and label it Mohammad in large letters. Then take it to a street corner in the middle of any large german city and hold it up and continually point to it. We'll see how long you last in the bastion of western civilization where the freedom of speech is revered. Good luck, you'll need it.
14:16 May 22, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ Mr. Wonderful

"Why don't you make a large drawing ... " - Why you ask? Because I find it offensive and useless. However, if we attach a noble goal to it, for example fundraising 10,000 euro for the benefit of Muslim kids in Germany, I am ready to do it. I live in Berlin. Is the city big enough for you? When would be convenient for you to come to observe me (from whatever distance you would like)? Please do not forget the check.
14:33 May 22, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ ChrisRea

Of course you prove my point. Sorry, excuses and conditions don't cut it.
15:32 May 22, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ Mr. Wonderful

Yes, you are right, instead of caring for others I should start to uselessly offend people. I would then satisfy the entry criteria for pro-NRW, right?
16:27 May 22, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
The NRW has nothing to do with this. Muslims reserve unto themselves the special privilege not to be offended in accordance to what their "religion" demands. Disregarding that special right will land you in very hot water and may even get you killed. The last I heard we are all supposed to have equal rights in germany. I guess Muslims never got the message.

So go ahead and prove me wrong. Stand on the street corner and wave around a picture of Allah. Unfortunately I won't be available to pick up the pieces when you get in trouble.
19:45 May 22, 2012 by herzlich
@Mr Wonderful, From where I see, the people like you or alike thinking are causing problems. I am quite firm to say, extremism at any end isn't acceptable. What about making objectionable pictures of your loved ones and display them publicly?

There are some issues which are sensitive. Again if you want to provoke anybody and then say, he look they are aggressive, sorry, you provoked them. You want other people to be like you but why do not you learn to live with people. Why don't you learn how to respect and prevail love with others?

I am sorry to realize that its not other side who is not integrating , its people like this kind of mentality who are isolating them.

Give respect, earn respect. I am sure you have this attitude with your colleagues, friends and family but you are so afraid in your mind that your are not ready to give this privilege to other people, especially Muslims. I will say, go ahead, meet them, listen to them. you will be surprise. Try this first if doesn't work, I am standing with you :)
02:22 May 23, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful

Thats right, Imams issue fatwas demanding the murder of people they don't like and it is the victims and folks who take issue with this unacceptable behavior who are the problem. Got it. After all there are some issues that are sensitive, right? Like a child that refuses to wear a headscarf or a brother that admits he's a homosexual or a misbehaving wife thats simply asking for a beating.

Or an arrogant ideology that has little respect for women, gives its believers license to lie and thinks it is beyond the law.
09:37 May 23, 2012 by herzlich
@Mr. Wonderful

... Like people who like to wear scarf but are not allowed. (France)

... Like Homoesextualist is only considered bad in Islam and only in Muslim countries ( recently look at Austrailian PM statement)

Some issues are personal like husband and wife. Let them live the way they want. Just try to intervene and you will see :) :) Sure, there should be a way to implement the will of wife or husband if they do not want to live together. Some people like beating even in sex... do u consider that as bad ;)

and For Imams u can leave that as even I and many of people i know here does not have any. Again do not impose a fraction view on all Muslims.
09:56 May 23, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ Mr. Wonderful

"The NRW has nothing to do with this." - Right, that's why they are mentioned all along the article.

If you brought homosexual into discussion, are you aware that pro-NRW is strongly homophobic? Just check one of their forums if you still need to be convinced.
11:31 May 23, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ herzlich

So beating your wife is OK because some women like it? That answer says it all really. You and I have nothing more to say to each other in this discussion. Stone age religions that countenance violence against anyone are the bane of western democracies.

@ ChrisRea

My point is that NRW members are far from the only people who have been threatened by muslim fatwas. Islam, the religion of peace, also prescribes death for apostates, homosexuals and adulterers.
11:49 May 23, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ Mr. Wonderful

Yes, you are right again. Pro-NRW, like Islam and Christianity, is homophobic.
14:26 May 23, 2012 by michael4096
"Muslims reserve unto themselves the special privilege not to be offended..."

Anybody who thinks that they know what 4 million Germans believe lives on a different planet to me. Talk to any two of the four million about beliefs and I get the same breadth of opinion as I do talking to everybody else.

But, I have learned something here. For example, if I hold up a "Herta are pussies" poster up in the middle of Berlin and somebody gets physical I can now legitimately hate everybody in Berlin.
14:49 May 23, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ michael4096

Nope. You can now legitimately despise the ideology that condones killing you for holding up that poster.
18:33 May 23, 2012 by michael4096
"You can now legitimately despise the ideology..."

At last! A lightbulb moment for me! Sorry it has taken so long.

You think football hooliganism is ideology.

Ideology: "the body of doctrine, myth, symbol, etc., with reference to some political or cultural plan, as that of communism, along with the procedures for putting it into operation. "

You think the hate you feel for muslims is rational but the hate a few muslims feel for you is ideology?

I have two new words for you. I'm not sure which is correct but both seem much closer to my reality than 'ideology': paranoia & egoism.

Paranoia: "A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason."

Egoism: "an extreme individualism; thought and behavior based upon the premise that one¦#39;s individual self is the highest product, if not the totality, of existence"
00:45 May 24, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ michael4096

So you're reduced name calling with words you found in the dictionary. You really are scrapping bottom.

But you're welcome for the lightbulb moment. We hoped you'd get there sooner or later without any direct experience like the nearly 3000 9/11 victims or the Madrid bombing victims or the London bombing victims or the folks on the flight with Richard Reid the shoe bomber or the potential victims of Naser Abdo, the would-be second Fort Hood jihad mass murderer; and Khalid Aldawsari, the would-be jihad mass murderer in Lubbock, Texas; and Muhammad Hussain, the would-be jihad bomber in Baltimore; and Mohamed Mohamud, the would-be jihad bomber in Portland; and Faisal Shahzad, the would-be Times Square jihad mass-murderer; and Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, the Arkansas military recruiting station jihad murderer; and Naveed Haq, the jihad mass murderer at the Jewish Community Center in Seattle; and Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar, the would-be jihad mass murderer in Chapel Hill, North Carolina; Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh, who hatched a jihad plot to blow up a Manhattan synagogue; and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the would-be Christmas airplane jihad bomber; and many others like them who have plotted and/or committed mass murder in the name of Islam and motivated by its texts and teachings.
16:05 May 26, 2012 by Trace33
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16:27 May 26, 2012 by libsarescum
"German Islamist"?? There is NOT such a thing. It is time for Germany and the rest of the world to get rid of this CANCER disguised as a "religion", and if it takes a war, bring it on!!
18:14 May 26, 2012 by MrPC
@ michael4096

So you think islamic violence is the same thing as football hooliganism? Well as of yet none of the Chelsea fans have managed to crash airliners into the world trade center or barcelona's stadium. Or actively and collectively deny human rights to women on a continuing basis or train suicide bombers to blow up trains or decapitate aid workers and journalists. When someone exposes a hooligan holy book with a centuries old tradition of condoning the abuse of women, gays and apostates get back to us, we might begin to consider your outrageous analogy.
18:28 May 26, 2012 by Paul Felix Schott

We need Leaders that put GOD then Family then Country in that order for with out GOD and Family NONE will have A Country.

Miss led Middle Easterners have threatened to kill and take measures against Christians sounds like bullying bad boys. That their Mother and Father never showed them right from wrong. All the good on Earth want peace Not War. If you cannot have your way you are going to hurt someone this sounds like a mad men to most of the world.

If someone really cares for them, give them a Bible with red letter print. That is a red letter edition words that were spoken by are Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. With a Pray for them the lost maybe they will be saved, and not go to hell.

Remember for over a Thousand years you have taken you life at risk from the

wicked for carrying a Bible. They have burned the Bible in public many times they have cut off the head of anyone carrying one many a times. They have bombed many a Christian Church, Killing many.

The Persecution of Christians in the Middle East has gone on for over two thousand years.

The Leaders of many Christian groups have criticizes Muslim leaders and Leaders of governments for failing to intervene after series of deadly attacks on Christians and their Churches in many countries around the World, each Christmas.

Killing at least 35 Christians Christmas day Church, Nigerian 2011. Killing over 20 Christians New Year's Eve mass Egypt 2011. 50 killed Christians at a Catholic Cathedral

Baghdad 2010. Over 200 injured Christians Imbaba region by Cairo 2011. The list goes on

and on and has for many years now. Have you for got so easy many American's like Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr. that was kidnapped and then beheaded in Saudi Arabia in 2004. While thousands gathered and prayed for the wicked to let him go, Till all heard the sound coming from THE PATRIOTIC TRUMPET PLAYER, Monica D. Key Lindbergh playing taps.

How many Muslim Churches have been attacked or bombed while they are in there

church by Christians? Answer 0

The World wants Peace not more wars.

If you think the wicked want peace read this then go look at some of their web sites!

There is a video on official Hamas TV that calls for Allah to all kill Jews, Christians,

Communists and any of their supporters they can find. This video asks Allah to "count

them and kill them to the last one, and don't leave even one."

Hamas TV. You will have Air mail incoming very soon. It is Very Sad you do not want

peace and ask for WAR.
20:41 May 26, 2012 by MrPC
Its time to take your meds Paul.
19:13 May 30, 2012 by Spike3
Since fair is fair, I'm sure this German Islamist isn't a hypocrite, and also desires the execution of those who defame Jesus and Christianity as well, right?


"'Their religion prescribes actions like stoning adulterers...' As you have conveniently forgotten christianity proscribes exactly the same."

Mikey, as a biblical expert, you'll have no problem providing us with where such instruction occurs in the New Testament, right? It would be hard for Mr. Wonderful to forget what you've hallucinated.

"In other countries - despite the bible, christians seem to prefer machetes today - specially, against homosexuals."

Ah, there we have it...you're gay, and are therefore Christianophobic, fearing and deriding what you don't want to understand, because the bible says you're doing something wrong,and your ego rejects that.
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