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Germans warned of Toulouse-style terror

The Local · 22 Mar 2012, 17:05

Published: 22 Mar 2012 15:40 GMT+01:00
Updated: 22 Mar 2012 17:05 GMT+01:00

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Mohammed Merah, a French citizen of Algerian descent, proclaimed allegiance to al Qaida during a siege in Toulouse after he admitted having killed four people at a nearby Jewish school. Police also believe Merah murdered three French soldiers.

He died in a hail of bullets as French police stormed the apartment where he had been holed up for 31 hours in the southwest French city.

Such attacks could take place in Germany, said Rainer Wendt, chairman of the DPolG police union.

He told the business daily Handelsblatt that 250 of “roughly 1,000 sympathisers of Jihad-terrorism in Germany" had received attended terrorist training camps on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

But it is impossible for security agencies to keep a round-the-clock observation of these 250 people. “In this respect it is of course possible at any time that also in Germany a radicalized single perpetrator commits such actions like in Toulouse,” said Wendt.

He called for politicians to make training in so-called “terror camps” a crime in Germany.

“Politicians would be well advised to think about this [legal] instrument and not first become active when there are concrete plans for an attack,” he said. “Then it can be very quickly too late,” he added.

The police union leader noted that the French police were able to quickly home in on the suspect because of internet research and called on the German government to quickly adopt legislation that would allow German authorities to store and retain internet data.

Separately, a German Jewish leader condemned the French massacre, and said it should be regarded as a “warning signal for Germany. The problem of Islamism has been “played down, misjudged and underestimated,” Charlotte Knoblauch said in Munich.

“Hostility toward Jews is growing rapidly among Muslims living in Germany,” said Knobloch, the former head of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, while calling on politicians and society as a whole to not hide from these problems.

The Central Council of Muslims in Germany condemned the Toulouse killings and warned the media against using the attacker's propaganda to try to explain the violence.

That would "make a mockery of the victims and hurt Muslims worldwide," said council chairman Aiman Mazyek said in a statement on Thursday.

He said the council was "deeply shocked over the deaths from the attacker" and had already expressed his sympathies to the Jewish community in a letter to the president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Dieter Graumann.

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The Muslim council was very appreciative that French President Nicolas Sarkozy invited both Jewish and Muslim representatives to the presidential Elysee palace.

"That was an immensely important signal," the statement said. It "showed that the attacker's goal of inciting religions against each other backfired."

The statement said, "there is no justification in Islam for such baseless and shameful acts."

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19:08 March 22, 2012 by derExDeutsche
let me guess, there are paid informants in this community?
19:38 March 22, 2012 by klaus stoiber
Of course it could happen in Germany, u dont have to be psychic to know it could happen.

Whos idea was it anyway that multiculturalism is a good idea? Multiculturalism is a dead end street.
19:42 March 22, 2012 by derExDeutsche
@ Klaus Stoiber

What does Multiculturalism have to do with it? He espoused the same anti-Israel propaganda you do.
19:54 March 22, 2012 by ovalle3.14
@ Klaus Stoiber

Blaming this sort of thing on multiculturalism is like blaming crime on society.
20:01 March 22, 2012 by euan.dykes
Oh here we go again, keep communities in fear and hatred of one anther, give government more legislation to remove even more civil liberties. Is it any coincidence it's someone from the Central Council of Jews in Germany is saying more legislative work should be put in place? But what German politician is going to argue with a member of the the Central Council of Jews in Germany after you know what happened? Check Mate!
20:09 March 22, 2012 by klaus stoiber

Well said bud. Just look at the USA, and all that restrictive civil liberties. Foreigners are allowed to move into Europe as they please due to weak and corrupt European politicians who are mere puppets of a new world order. They are useless and powerless but only appear powerful to unsuspecting fools, unlike you and I who know what we are talking about.
20:38 March 22, 2012 by Jibzy
LOL Herr Stoiber. Do you get some pleasure out of hating others? Instead of having this negative approach to everything that doesnt conform, dont you think it would be nicer if you could help them with a smile. Maybe that will help society and the world will be a better place.

Thankfully, you represent a tiny percent of the German population, which is why i, as a scheißausländer, am very well integrated and happy. If there were people like you roaming the streets, Germany would become a horror town..with old lonely people in wheel chairs having nothing to eat because you didnt have kids and there were no workers to pay taxes so that the government could give you food and clothes.
21:30 March 22, 2012 by Sayer
The inconsistencies coming out of Toulouse make this story stink to the high heavens. Conveniently the event has boosted Sarko's ratings heading into an election. It has also generated sympathies for one community at the expense of another....figure it out. If, as we are told by the French media, this guy was on the radar of the national security agencies there for years....then this is a Michelin 4 Star failure of intelligence, by any stretch. It also serves to redirect the political and social debate away from important issues, towards red-herrings that are, really, irrelevant.

As for Germany, yes, this kind of thing could conceivably happen here. Or anywhere else for that matter. Lone gunmen are unpredictable. Managed attacks, using the lone madman, are easier to spot. Like this one. Big time.
21:41 March 22, 2012 by derExDeutsche
I've heard, that the shooter already had run-ins with Police. The authorities in France already knew that there was a radicalized community in the country, and they looked the other away. I'm still wondering if these types of radicals are being paid as informants in Germany?
23:51 March 22, 2012 by marimay
Fear! Ignorance! Hatred! Sarkozy gets re-elected!
00:43 March 23, 2012 by bugger
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02:55 March 23, 2012 by schneebeck

"dont you think it would be nicer if you could help them with a smile. Maybe that will help society and the world will be a better place"

What do you think?
07:56 March 23, 2012 by klaus stoiber
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08:43 March 23, 2012 by LiberalGuy

You do realize that 93% of the people who read The Local aren't German don't you. Seems the Local benefits a lot from having immigrants
08:50 March 23, 2012 by lucksi
FEAR CITIZENS. Let us erode your liberties even more, because of potential terror.

Once the deaths from terrorism rise above the deaths in traffic -which we gleefully accept as the price of mobility- then we might start thinking about something. As long as that doesn't happen, the few people that die due to terrorism (how many died in Germany due to terrorism in the last 10 years?) , it is simply the price of freedom.
09:35 March 23, 2012 by gunnyboy
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09:53 March 23, 2012 by sunnyboyshines
@ Klaus: I can understand your sentiment, but I am disappointed with your terminologies like "white" countries, instead of using something like developed countries.

First of all, let me inform you that immigration was first started by the so called white countries during colonialization. The whole of the rest of the world was colonized by us Europeans, and it is due to this today that we have developed, developing and under developed nations in the world. African nations were turned into hell by the immigrant europeans. In fact there was hardly anything in Europe before colonization of Asia. Asian countries have a properous history where as in european history we will frequently find economic recessions, plagues and lack of medical facilities throughout. We should question why Europeans did not leave the colonnies until so much blood was shed. Just like Europeans then immigrated in search of wealth and resources, people from the developing nations now migrate.. This has been history of mankind.

Yet, the even more bigger reason for immigration to these countries today, is that the native population do not want to do the ground work which the immigrants do for a livelihood and does not have the abundance of skill to match the growing demands of the white collar industry. Please realize that bulk of your economyy is sustained because of these immigrants and their countries- Were it not for China, bulk of our stuff we have at home would not have been there. Were it not for India, one would not even have received a salary of 400 Euros for even a high profile job. Our brands like Mercedes and BMW would have been unaffordable and the luxury segment would have been bankrupt. I Pads and laptops would have costed more than 2000 euros per piece. Our German, British, Australian and American universities would not have prospered because bulk of the students and revenues are from outside. US citizens live on debt from the money saved by the Japanese and Indians. Please realize that most people in the world outside are live under paid and poorer lives, so that people in the developed world can retain their life style.
10:21 March 23, 2012 by gunnyboy
Immigration and emigration is essential for any modern economy.

However, blind and open immigration policies in the name of political correctness will definitely take its toll in any country. Immigrants need to be made to confirm to the law and order and culture of Germany, and should confirm to its secular character.

What we see in the west is that countries bend over backwards to accommodate the ridiculous beliefs of some religions. In countries ruled by Sharia, there is absolutely no religious freedom, personal freedom or human rights. And we allow such regressive and stone-age cultures to invade the west in the name of political correctness.

10:51 March 23, 2012 by intensive_care

Spend some time and start reading the whole context, if you are honest enough, copy and paste the complete context of the verses before and after every verse you have quoted so that other can read them as well.

Islam does not support killing of innocent people, it is a big sin.

Islam is a religion of Truth but do not expect muslims to sit down and appriciate western killing in every muslim country and again the fault lies in Muslims because they dont follow what Allah has told them look at Pakistan and Arab countries. Ruling class live like kings and general polulation suffer badly. Corruption is rampid, religious prechers favour corrupt and rich people. So the question where is Islam there, and answer is there is no Islam in muslims countries as they are hypocrite and that is why they are being humiliated over and over again.

But for educated who generally live in western countries they should open their eyes and see how their governments has directly and indirectly destroyed the fabic of social system in the world.
13:41 March 23, 2012 by gunnyboy

Well, my comment was removed. It is surprising because it was the "word of God" and the person reporting abuse actually committed an act of blasphemy. If a few verses were abusive, then imagine what would happen if the whole book was pasted in this comments column. The whole website would have to be shut down.

I have read the whole context, and I am more than convinced that your religion advocates killing on non-believers. More than me, the terrorists who have read the book are so convinced that they actually FOLLOW the command. You probably need to do a deeper study of your holy book and decide for yourself if you are a good human being or a good disciple of your religion.

Qur'an itself says that it is:

A clear book:

Sura 5:15 = O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.

Easy to remember:

Sura 54:22 = And We have certainly made the Qur'an easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?

Explained in detail:

Sura 6:114 = [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.

As for Sharia ruled countries being corrupt and hypocrites, is it a coincidence that in spite of having a "clear book" to guide them and "word of God', they are the most regressive and terror-loving? Is there a single Sharia-ruled country that does not have a law to kill the person converting to other religions?

If indeed the Sharia ruled countries are hypocrites, it is high time they are educated about the alleged truth of your religion. You should spend your effort for that good deed to clear the name of your religion. This is better than trying to convince people in the west that your religion stands for peace and brotherhood with other religions when the evidence itself suggests otherwise.
15:30 March 23, 2012 by Jibzy

Thank you for the lecture about Quran. No one else knew all of that, im sure. Nor can they look this up. Also, all the people who keep saying that Islam is a religion of peace are lying because they are just dumb and cant read.

Just answer one question for me, will you please? They say that people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. Do you believe that when they move to houses made of bricks/wood, they should throw stones?

Im going to assume that you are Christian. Would you please tell me what were you guys doing a 100 years back?

I dont mean to judge/criticize any religion. All of them "represent" peace yet are distorted by many for their political/social purpose. Judaism to opress Palestinians, Christanity in the middle ages, and Islam now. While you were burning witches, Muslims were creating universities in Basra, Kabul etc. How times change.. dont they?

All will be better..dont worry.
16:00 March 23, 2012 by gunnyboy

I am an ex-Muslim. Now I am an athiest.

I too used to defend my religion like you all do now, without understanding what it really meant. I too thought that terrorists are doing all this for vested interests in the name of Islam.

I then began reading through the texts so that I could quote my religious text to show that terrorists were wrong. I could not find anything to defend the terrorists. They were right, I was wrong. They did everything for Islam, and I was a fool to think that Islam condemned their acts.

Now I have to live in hiding. No one knows I am an apostate coz I want to live. I have to pretend to be a Muslim BECAUSE I WANT TO LIVE. I will be killed the moment my own family knows, thanks to my ex religion. The only place where I can exist as a non-Muslim is on the internet.

If you think you are right, please enlighten me and others. Quote verses from your holy book to support your arguments about Islam being a peaceful religion and loving humanity irrespective of religion. I can easily quote verses verbatim, because I have done a lot of research and sources I use to copy-paste are Islamic websites themselves.

Before you report abuse for Quranic verses I quote, think twice - because you are saying that YOUR God's words are abusive. That's blasphemy.

To answer your questions on Christianity - when Christians indulge in violence, they GO AGAINST THE BIBLE. When Muslims indulge in violence, they GO WITH THE QURAN.
17:42 March 23, 2012 by marimay
someone is full of it...
17:49 March 23, 2012 by Omufu
... strange. With all this deep discussion and debate I'm just peeved that this article says the guy died 'in a hail of bullets'. It was a sniper. Not the same thing. Either sensationalist or inaccurate, but it's irritating :)

I do agree with gunnyboy on some points though. I don't know much at all about the Quran, but I'm a leader in Christian (Freikirche) and it's definitely true that when Christians are violent they go against the Bible. Things like self-defense and defense of the oppressed are justified though. It is horrific what has been done in the name of God, and the church should be open and deeply sorry for anything they had to do with it. But it was a total distortion of the Bible, and Jesus must have been mortified.

Gunnyboy I'm so sorry you have to live like that man, that's really a crappy situation.
17:59 March 23, 2012 by intensive_care

Tell me one Muslim country who has sharia law?

Tell me why Germans are converting to Islam? Because they know this civilization is committing suicide by promoting values which are not natural.

Tell me why the current German media used to praise NAZI's and now they are abusing them. So if NAZI would have won the war, this media would be praising them. So it means media which has made you addict of false news is with the rich and powerful lobby.

Lets now start with western enlightenment within just last century.

1. Holocaust .... pure Christian led movement. ... 6 million dead

2. Bengal (India) food genocide.... ordered by Winston Churchill ... 4 million dead

3. Gulf of Tolkin Incident (a lie which US later confessed) .... 4 million dead.... Cover up of My Lai Masscaure lead by Collion Powell.

4. One million iranis killed by mustered gas provided by US to Saddam and prepared in Germany and France. Till now UN refused to open inquiry. And still people think why Iran is so anti-west. US purposefully destroyed their democracy in 1953 because of OIL and installed a brutal dictator but this media has not yet uttered a single word. And they misrepresent word of Ahmedinajad about wiping Isreal of the map of the world.

5. First Iraq war.... 2 million people killed .... half million kids die of malnutrition and non-availability of drug. Madeline Albright said its a price that was worth paying. Also look for the fake Kuwaiti nurse video, who lied about iraqi soldiers killing infant babies and a US senator, who was holocaust survivor, knew about that it was fake and betrayed his family who died in contention camps.

6. First Afghan war... more that 2 million Afghanis die to defend west from communist Russia.

7. After 9/11 more than a million Afghanis killed.

8. Second Iraq war .... 2 million people killed.

10. 2500 people killed in Guatemala because CIA injected them STD.

11. 12000 muslims killed in Indian Gujarat in 2003 and US is hoping that the culprit of this massacre will become PM on india.

12. Then its Isreal who is killing Palestinians in the name of Judaism because its a promised land for them and any sacrifice is worth saving a Jewish life for.

Germany has fully participated by providing technological help to US so how Germany now has changed from their past.

Again I don¦#39;t blame religion for that because if they were religious they would have distinguish between good and evil.
18:46 March 23, 2012 by ChuChu
That's one way to curb over population? War is always good for the industry....

in all countries! Makes you sick, does it not?
18:51 March 23, 2012 by Englishted

6 and 7

6:The Russians(soviets) invaded it had nothing to do with the west or saving us from the communists .The C.I.A. involvement was based on the old ,old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend " it did not work.

7 :After 9/11. the answer is there after !!!!.

That is only a bit the rest is also one persons strange ideas which he is welcomed too as long as nobody is daft enough to take them as truth.
19:26 March 23, 2012 by gunnyboy

Yes, it is sad it has to be this way. The good thing though is that there is at least the internet where I can live my real identity.


If you think all these countries do not have Sharia law, you need to go back to the basics of your religion.

You are committing blasphemy by rejecting the Hadiths that tell us how the Mohammed lived his life. Read them one by one and you will know that these countries are indeed following the Sharia in its true form. These countries do not have any constitution - Quran and Hadiths are their constitution, and you say they do not follow Sharia?

You need to be thankful that you are not living in one of those countries that implement Sharia, because you can be tortured and killed for saying that they are not practicing Sharia.

The casualties you have quoted all go AGAINST each of the religions you have attributed the killings to. None of these happened simultaneously across the world, that itself shows that it was never driven by religion of these people.

1. Holocaust happened in ONE place and was led by ONE person.

2. Food genocide happened in ONE place.

3. 750 Muslims and 250 Hindus were killed in India because MUSLIMS burnt a train full of Hindus one day before that, killing 60 people with absolutely no provocation from Hindus.

3. Wars happen all the time. Do you know about the wars that Mohamed went to? Look for Banu Qurayza in Wikipedia. Read how innocent men and women and kids were butchered for not converting to Islam.

4. Iraq-Iran war was between two Muslim countries. Muslims fight others, but when they do not have a common enemy they fight themselves. Even Mohamed tells Muslims to do that (Sura 49:9).

By living in Germany and having the German police protect you, you are disgracing your holy book. Read Sura 5:57 - It says that you should not take people who do not believe in Allah as your protectors or guardians.

No wonder Mohamed Merah took this decision of killing people in France. He realized that he was committing blasphemy being in France by:

1. Making friends with unbelievers (Sura 5:57)

2. He was obeying the law made by disbelievers (Sura 33:1)

3. He was living in a country of unbelievers who are friends with themselves but enemies with Muslims (Sura 5:051).

He realized that fighting was ordained for him (Sura 2:216). He had to show the harshness in him (Sura 9:123). So he decided to kill unbelievers where he met them (Sura 2:191). Had he not been killed, he would have kept "fighting" unbelievers (Sura 2.193), and killed many more "enemies" who were actually innocent people going about their lives.
19:45 March 23, 2012 by sunnyboyshines
Iran and Saudi Arabia are completely operate on Shariah. They dont even have written constitutions. They go by the word of Quran, to the extent that they let Ulemah, the religious body form all the laws.

1. People of other religions are not even allowed to carry their books or idols or any any religious items.

2. If found, they are torn right in front of you.

3. If a Muslim leaves Islam, you face death.

4. Even women of other religions have to wear Hijab and Burkha.

5. Diyya (death settlement amount) for a Muslim is 6 times more than that of a Christian of Jew and 50 times more than that for a person of any other religion.

6. Women rights are worse that that of kids.

Talk of equal rights!

Most of the other Islamic countries also follow Shariah to at least 80%. Also, you ll not find a single western country claiming that they are a Christian country. But there are 58% countries claiming to be Islamic nations with Islam as the religion of the state. Even Malaysia with just 61% Muslim population claims to be Islamic country
21:03 March 23, 2012 by intensive_care

You really blind and real dishonest person.... same like rest of the fools who consider themselves as literate but deliberately misquote words...

Expect SA and Iran (they follow by election) none of muslim country has law based on Sharia. Usury is a part of banking system and religious courts have no right to nullify the supreme courts decision.

1. Nazi were supported by most the christian world, even Vatican was with Nazis. Even grandfather of G.W. Bush (Prescott Bush) was in business with NAZI till 1942. CIA hired people from third reich to make CIA a mafia which is worse than Nazi's.

2. India was a polulation of about 500 million even at that time and Bengal was the largest province with respect to population. If rest if the british governemnt was so good, they would have refused it.

3. Investigations have changed their story 3 times before finally blaming it on muslims because of pressure from Hindu organizations pressing the investigations. The mob started butchering people with a day of the accident as if it was pre planned. Even some couregeous indian hindu film makers made movies on this issue which clearly shows that before the state election when BJP was set to loose elections, they divided the whole state on religious grounds and won the election and these movies were banned in india specially in Gujrat.

4. Iran-Iraq war was planned in Paris between Iraq, US, UK, France and Israel. Everyone sided with Iraq to destroy Iran. AND your quote is highly dishonest, take one small part of one verse and tell people Islam says so.. here is the full context of

Sura 49 (verse 8 -- 9)

And if two parties or groups among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both, But if one of them outrages against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which outrages till it complies with the Command of Allâh; then if it complies, then make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allâh loves those who are equitable. (9) The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islâmic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allâh, that you may receive mercy.

5. I pay german government for the services I get, I am not getting a free meal.

6. German government does not force me to eat pork, drink, gamble and be promiscuous. Also this verse 33:1 was for Muhammad (SA) that onyl take command from Allah and no one else.


Now calculate the %age people living in SA and Iran compared to rest of the muslim population, its about 6.6% of the whole muslim population and western media say that sharia is ruling the whole Muslim world.

Now lets come to monorities iran has 2nd biggest minority is jewish which are the decendents of "Banee Israel", and the refused to go to Israel because they feel more comfortable in Iran.

Now regarding the respect of women, reality is so open if you see western media and go to a night club.
22:43 March 23, 2012 by DrGideonPolya
The Toulouse Massacre has shocked everyone.

1. There will always be a very small proportion of people who cross the line into the insanity of homicide - indeed criminologists inform us that 90% of violence and homicide is against people personally known to the perpetrators including family members i.e. people they know or indeed love.

2. The perpetrator of the Toulouse Massacre was killed by the authorities rather than being subdued chemically, but before being killed the mass murderer reportedly adduced the large-scale killing of Palestinians and Afghans by the Zionists and the US Alliance as the reason (in contrast Norwegian mass murderer Breivik. was an Islamphobe and a pro-Zionist).

3. The mass murder by the West of ethnically or culturally Arab Semitic people (Arabs and Muslims) has reached holocaust and genocidal proportions. Thus in the Zionist-backed US War on Muslims violent deaths plus avoidable deaths from war-imposed deprivation total 12 million since 1990, the breakdown being 4.6 million (Iraq, 1990-2012), 5.6 million (Afghanistan, 2001-2012), 2.2 million (Somalia, 1992-2012), and 0.1 million (Libya, 2011-2012). These estimates are consonant with UN-reported under-5 infant deaths in this period totalling 2.0 million (Iraq), 2.9 million (Afghanistan ) and 1.3 million (Somalia), 90% avoidable and due to Occupier war crimes in gross violation of the Geneva Convention - evidence of an Iraqi Genocide, an Afghan Genocide and a Somali Genocide (Google Muslim Holocaust Muslim Genocide).

4. A key part of this genocidal madness has been played by the racist Zionists who collaborated with the Nazis before and during the war (notoriously persuading Churchill to veto the Brand Plan to save 0.7 million Hungarian Jews of whom 0.4 million subsequently perished including all but a dozen of my family ) . Since 1936 about 100,000 Palestinians have been violently killed (as compared to 3,700 Jews killed by Palestinians since 1920) and a further 1.9 million Palestinians have died avoidably from war-, expulsion- and occupation-imposed deprivation. Apartheid Israel deliberately murders over 2,000 Palestinian infants each year by imposed deprivation.

5. What should decent people do? Decent people - as exampled by anti-racist Jews (see "Jews Against Racist Zionism") - must (a) demand that media inform everyone they can about the ongoing Muslim Holocaust, (b) apply and urge sanctions against those people, parties, countries and corporations involved in the Muslim Holocaust (see "Boycott Apartheid Israel") , (c) demand arraignment before the International Criminal Court of those involved in the Muslim Holocaust (e.g. Bush, Obama, Blair, Brown, Cameron, Sarkozy, Merkel, Harper, Howard, Rudd, Gillard and their subordinates) and the sidelining of racist Zionists from public life as has already happened to like racists such as the Nazis, neo-Nazis, Apartheiders and KKK.
06:25 March 24, 2012 by gunnyboy

When u do not have defense for ur religion, u attack the ones who speaks up against it. Offense has been the defense for Muslims since the day the first verse was "revealed" to Mohamed. When you cannot silence people by offence, u silence them by killing them (Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Hadith 17).

Calling me dishonest and hurling abuses at me won't make your religion look good. You also cannot hide behind the atrocities committed by others in their personal capacity to hide the real nature of your religion. Vast majority of terrorists are from one religion - yours - you can deny it, but cannot hide from it.

Muslims are the victims of Islam. Muslims are human beings first, which is what prevents them from following Quran verbatim. Muslims need to be freed of their religion to the eternal truth that everyone is human. Truth is that there is nothing that differentiates between believers and non-believers.

If Muslims are not freed from their religion, more Iran-Iraq war will happen. More Mohamed Merahs will kill innocent people for not believing in Allah. More Shias will kill Sunnis and vice-versa. More Bin Ladens will go on a killing spree in the name of Mohamed and Allah.

I would recommend that you do not follow Taqiyya (for those who do not know, art of DECEPTION that Muslims are ordained to follow). You are trying to fool yourself, and no one else.

You said something totally different for Sura 49:8. This is what it says:

Sura 49:8 = [It is] as bounty from Allah and favor. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.

Here is Sura 49:9 by different translators:

YUSUFALI: If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other, then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies, then make peace between them with justice, and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).

PICKTHAL: And if two parties of believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them. And if one party of them doeth wrong to the other, fight ye that which doeth wrong till it return unto the ordinance of Allah; then, if it return, make peace between them justly, and act equitably. Lo! Allah loveth the equitable.

SHAKIR: And if two parties of the believers quarrel, make peace between them; but if one of them acts wrongfully towards the other, fight that which acts wrongfully until it returns to Allah's command; then if it returns, make peace between them with justice and act equitably; surely Allah loves those who act equitably.

U have quoted a lot of atrocities committed by different different people. Can u quote one verse from the Holy Bible or the Gita that justified such attrocities? I can quote the entire Quran to justify the acts of Islamic terrorism. This is what I said, TERRORISM goes AGAINST Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. but it GOES WITH Islam.
07:19 March 24, 2012 by sunnyboyshines
@Intensive care:

You cite all political examples, but you fail to counter the fact that these were political agendas and not preached by any Prophet or book. But, this does not apply for Islam because of the vast number of quotes cited in Qoran and hadith.

Talk about tolerance. 90 million people have died in Indian cubcontinent in 500 yrs (1000 AD - 1500 AD) in the name of Islam. This is not what I say. This is from a book named 'Islamic Jihad' by MA Khan, a Muslim historian. And all this is not his imagination, it\s from collection of Islamic literature. he You can find more details in this link:


Whenever Muslims invaded India they imposed Jiziya, started slave trade of kids, and started raping women as war prizes! This forced Hindus to flee to foressts and become dacoits for survival. Hindus started Sati system in which a widow would jump into her dead husband's pyre, else she ll fall prey to Muslim soldiers who would then rape her. Afghanistan, historically Hindu nation was converted to Islam in 2 centuries through violence. Till today the mountains are called Hindkush, which means massacre of Hindus. Today most ancient temples and idols in India stand destroyed, idols with hands n legs cut, turned upside down, thanks to Islamic intolerance of idol worship.

Persians, one of the mose advanced civilizations in terms of medicine and maths, were converted to Islam forcefully by Arab invaders. Original Zoraostrians (today known as Iranis and Farsis) fled to India being unale to pay Jiziya. The Persian culture took a beating, they were even asked to quit Persian and adopt Arabic, but even after conversion they resisted and their progress still continued, though subdued. All historic flourishing you know today i.e. Universities of Baghdad, Arabian Knights, and medicine is a result of Persian culure and not through Islamic influence, which has is roots in nomadic and violent Arabia. But even then other relegions never flourished in Iran. Bahai' faith which took birth in Iran is today hardly followed there. 2 religions which took birth in Iran have just disappeared from there, but the religions still exist elsewhere in the world. A clear proof that they couldn't survive Islamic intolerance!
07:37 March 24, 2012 by gunnyboy

U first said that there is no Sharia in any country. Now you say there is Sharia in a minority of Muslim countries. Are you sure about what you know?

Even in countries not ruled by Sharia, Muslims still follow Sharia illegally.

In some countries, kangaroo courts of mullahs deliver verdicts by Sharia. Sharia kangaroo courts have come up even in countries like UK and India. Day is not far when it will come up in Germany. Who knows, they may already be there working in Muslim ghettos.

About you paying tax in Germany. Yes, in return for that money you get ALL civil liberties enjoyed by Germans.

But in Islamic countries, non-Muslims who pay "Jizya" (PROTECTION tax) DO NOT get the same rights as Muslims do in Sharia ruled countries. Now you call that equal rights? I would rather call it extortion tax for not being a Muslim.

You have committed another act of blasphemy my friend. You just rejected 33:1 saying that it is for Mohamed alone. The ENTIRE Quran was for the WHOLE mankind and not Mohamed alone. You do not have the liberty to pick and choose verses you will follow and those you will not.

Yes, 33:1 was what Allah told Mohamed. What Allah told Mohamed, all are supposed to follow as per your religion. Even you are not supposed to follow the unbelievers, like Mohamed did not. If you say 33:1 was only for Mohamed because Allah told it directly to him, then it stands true for all verses in Quran. Allah told everything to Mohamed, others need not have followed the whole of the Quran in that case.

About minorities in Iran - they still do not enjoy freedom of speech or civil liberties like you enjoy in Germany.

Over that, Jewish population in Iran is constantly dwindling. Their population came down from 1,00,000 in 1980 to 11,000 now.

Hindu population in Pakistan dropped from 20% in 1940s to 2% now.

In contrast, Muslim population in Germany went up from 3000 in 1940s to 4.3 million now.

Muslims population in India went from 10% in 1940s to 20% now.

And you talk of persecution in the west.

It is a paradox that population of Muslims is skyrocketing in the west where they are allegedly being prosecuted, and population of religious minorities in Islamic countries is falling where they are allegedly leading "life of respect and equality". There is no bigger joke than that.

About treatment of women in the west. Well, women are treated equally with men. Why should men have special status? Because Allah said so?

Sharia equates women to dogs and donkeys (Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Hadith Number 17)

You seem to be desperate to defend your religion at any cost. Learn the whole set of holy books before you do.

Two things will happen - either you will denounce it for evilness and come out of your religion like I did, or you will become another Mohamed Merah. It is up to you to choose.
08:34 March 24, 2012 by sunnyboyshines
In Nigeria, Muslims keep on killing christians and burning churches. they can not stand slightest insult of their Prophet, yet they keep doing what they want to other religious objects. When Baburi masjid was demolished in India, 100s of Hindus were killed and temples destroyed in Pakistan and Bangladesh. For some reason htat did not even happen in their country. Taslima Nasreen who protested it got a fatwa issued and today lives in fear. Hindu girls get kidnapped in Pakisan and are forced to accept Islam and then threatened to be killed if they leave Islam. When their parents file complaints with police, police says, now they are Muslims and they hv to obey Shariah. Even in India, Muslim younsters lure christian and hindu gals to marry them, make them pregnant and they divorce them after taking them to Saudi Arabia, leaving them in a helpless state. This is a flourishing sponsored industry termed as Love jihad, with the purpose of reducing the multiplication in other religions.

Thing is Muslims see this happening every day and then they claim to condemn it. But they do not speak against it in their own circles, or advice friends and youngsters, because they know the fanatics are actually following the true word of the preachings and that they themselves can get killed for speaking against the principles. This is what rules out reform of any sort. Of course there are good humans among Muslims, with humanity prevailing from their own logic, but not from the preachings.
08:37 March 24, 2012 by Kolfinna
Another "useful idiot" for Zionist globalists, like Anders Behring Breivik (killer from Oslo), who was a member of a neo-Nazi group.

After all, the Zionist NWO elites control everything (mainstream media, banks, television programming and what our children learn, or don't learn in the schools) in the decline of the West.

BTW, these are the same elites responsible for the ideology of multiculturalism and mass immigration (another method of genocide), political correctness and "Tolerance-even-in-the-face-of-destruction". You'll hear them crowing about "Diversity is strength". And certainly there are wonderful immigrants who DO enrich our societies, but the MASS immigration that has taken place in the west is rampant and indiscriminate.

Those neo-Nazis and radical muslims are so brainwashed and blinded by hatred they don't even realize they are playing right into the hands of, and actually helping advance the goals, of those they hate.
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