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Petrol industry to charge more for E10 debacle

The Local · 26 Aug 2011, 08:59

Published: 26 Aug 2011 08:59 GMT+02:00

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Uwe Franke, the head of BP Europa, told the Friday edition of the Essen-based Wesdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung daily that gasoline producers faced large penalties if they did not stick to government quotas for E10. The petrol with 10 percent ethanol has been widely shunned by drivers in Germany since its introduction in January.

“The costs for missing the quota will likely cost the industry between €300 and €400 million,” said Franke, adding petrol companies would have little alternative but to charge customers more.

E10 was supposed to be introduced across Germany this year, but petrol station chains like BP’s Aral stopped after many motorists refused to buy the new biofuel. Some were afraid the new gasoline, meant to reduce CO2 emissions, might damage their engines, while others took issue with its minor reduction in fuel efficiency.

In June, only one out of seven German drivers was reaching for E10 at the pump.

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09:31 August 26, 2011 by Simon_Kellett
Headline: will charge more

First paragraph: could pay more

The Local Editors: which is it?
10:21 August 26, 2011 by Ami-in-Germany
Ugh! I am so tired of the direction that all things seem to roll...downhill.
10:38 August 26, 2011 by DoubleDTown
Maybe if the gas stations sold E10 for a little less they might unload some more of it. What is it, like a 4 cent difference? Maybe they could strech that to 6 cents? 7?
10:42 August 26, 2011 by lazybum
Here they charge the same for E10 and normal unleaded.

Why would I buy it when the only difference is that I get worse fuel consumption?
11:06 August 26, 2011 by freechoice
Actually your Super 95 contains 5% Bioethanol. Just imagine another 5% could affect the fuel performance of your car.
11:43 August 26, 2011 by Takoda
I do have no problems with E 10. But as soon as they increase the price, I will change back to normal fuel. The entire issue is a delusion.
11:56 August 26, 2011 by J-Dub
After studying the fuel injectors of many vehicles that have consistently used the E10 fuel, I can honestly say that the fuel causes wear to the O-rings on fuel injectors faster than super unleaded does. Granted these o-rings are not expensive, but are a challenge for a mechanic to replace, which means that LABOR charges will be extreme. The fuel itself really causes no more wear to other parts than super does. But what I do know is that fuel economy with E10 is HORRIBLE. If you want to fill up with E10, fine. Just remember that the fuel burns 10 times faster than Super unleaded. E10 lacks the octane that normal gasoline has. This is why when you fill up with Shell V-Power 100, your gasoline economy increases tremendously. The price for the higher octane fuel is more, but you benefit from it. E10 won't ever reach popularity in Europe since its fuel economy benefit is 0. If everyone in Germany would boycott the E10 fuel, more gas stations would stop offering it. It provides no benefit to the consumer, only a minimally lowered price, which anyone who has used it knows, it is not worth it because your automobile will drink the biofuel FAST.
12:20 August 26, 2011 by marimay
When you drive a high performance vehicle the inferiority of E10 is quite apparent.
12:47 August 26, 2011 by Gilly58

spot on the money and thank you for your printing you views. My view is that we should boycott all fuel because of the extortionate prices by leaving the car at home for one day, however, the chances of united frount in Germany would probabally be just wishful thinking, even if we do have the technological means availible to us to acheive it.
13:26 August 26, 2011 by J-Dub
marimay is 100% correct. My high performance Dodge Neon R/T has 235ps (150ps is standard). On a full tank of E10, I am lucky to make it a week without tanking up again. Plus after less than one year of use, I have to replace my injector o-rings. So why would I pay a 'little' less for a fuel that has really no economical benefit to my wallet other than a sign that says its a few cents cheaper? I would be better off tanking up with super, saving money in the long run, while also saving money on parts that E10 fuel seems to wear out faster.
17:19 August 26, 2011 by JRSofty
I find it hard to blame the drivers, since from what I understand most car engines (especially older cars) cannot handle the E10. I have an older car and if my engine could use the E10 without causing damage and extra repair costs then I would happily use the E10.
19:25 August 26, 2011 by knabbjalf
Is it only me, or are we forced to accept things that has no demand among the people?

On a free merket companies supply whatever the consumer demands, price is set to balance supply and demand. Now we are forced to use E10, low energy lamps, less effective chemicals, but who wanted that? Where is the benifit for ordinary people? Most of us work hard and contributes to our common welfare. Is this the revard? A market where the supply is decided by the governemt? Looks like the old Soviet to me.
19:32 August 26, 2011 by rfwilson
What compete idiots!

As was reported in Scientific American and elsewhere, the use of ethanol in gasoline does NOT reduce CO2 at all, when the production of it is taken into account.

The fermentation process (first step in ethanol's production) releases massive amounts of CO2. The next step -distillation- requires huge amounts of heat which is supplied by either burning natural gas, or often coal. MORE CO2!

When the above is taken into account, together with ethanol's lower energy density (resulting in worse fuel consumption and more E10 used), the result is that using E10 results in the same or even worse CO2 emissions than simply burning gasoline.

None of this takes into account the fuel system damage that can be caused by water absorbed by ethanol, as well as damage to some fuel system materials caused by ethanol. For example, my BMW motorbike has needed the fuel level sensor in the tank replaced twice already (at a cost of $300 each time) because of ethanol damage.

Once again, the green fools have shot themselves in the foot!
20:16 August 26, 2011 by PhoenixW2
Is this the 'biofuel' that -

- they fell millions of hectares of primary rain-forest to grow?

- Or takes up swathes of arable land, so meaning poor people can't afford to eat?

- means the engine ends up having to burn more fuel and so perversely produce more CO2?

Funny how politicians never see beyond ticking box#1, even when their actions do more harm than good.
21:10 August 26, 2011 by ugly_american
Most American states introduced E10 without telling drivers. The older unleaded, which has what some say is a toxic preservative (MBTE), has been banned in many states. I agree that the older unleaded formulation was better for gas mileage, but the decision to introduce E10 was political and not logical.

My brother's 12-year-old, 300 000 km BMW seems to do fine with E10 even though it wasn't designed for it. Actually, we all drive German cars and haven't had any noticeable problems. Still, it would've been better if we had a choice of fuels like in Germany.
21:40 August 26, 2011 by rfwilson

E10 has been shown to be a real problem in areas where winters are cool and wet. Moisture is attracted by the ethanol, then when it gets cold the moisture settles out and starts rusting steel parts. This is well documented. Ethanol also attacks some plastic and rubber parts that had no problem that previously withstood pure gasoline. Some cars are affected more than others, so the fact that your brother's BMW has (so far) not suffered, is meaningless.

E10 (and worse.... E15 in the US) is a stupid idea that benefits the corn lobby and no one else.
22:53 August 26, 2011 by Englishted

Headline: will charge more

First paragraph: could pay more

The Local Editors: which is it?

It like the questions you must phone in to win (with a little luck)

Answer A: will pay more?

Answer B: will pay more but they will blame something else.
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