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Germany warns citizens about UK riots

The Local · 9 Aug 2011, 13:04

Published: 09 Aug 2011 13:04 GMT+02:00

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"Travellers are advised to exercise special caution, to immediately pull back if confronted with any signs of disturbance, and to especially follow advice given by security forces," the German foreign ministry said in its online travel advisory.

"Travellers should also look to the media to keep themselves informed about the latest developments and act in an appropriate fashion locally," the travel advisory added.

The warning followed the third night of rioting and looting in London, which by last night had also spread to major cities including Bristol, Birmingham and Liverpool. The ministry said that further outbreaks of violence could not be ruled out.

The rioting began on Saturday night in Tottenham, north London, after police shot dead a 29-year-old minicab driver, Mark Duggan on Thursday night.

Home Secretary Theresa May said more than 450 people have been arrested in London over the three nights of violence, and Scotland Yard has said cells in police stations in the capital were now full, with prisoners being transferred to neighbouring forces.

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Prime Minister David Cameron cut short his holiday to return to London. He has recalled the parliament and vowed that 16,000 police would patrol the streets of London on Tuesday night.

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13:38 August 9, 2011 by vossy
If you want a cheap LCD TV or a new computer, how about a new iphone? Come to England and get one for free. The police have stood back for three nights now in the hope that they can just video people and arrest them at a later date - what a joke, in the meantime normal, decent hardworking people are suffering because of a minority of mindless criminals. The English police are scared of being branded racists and bigots, they should be using all the force needed to quell this trouble.
13:43 August 9, 2011 by Lachner
Crap! I'm headed to West London next week for 5 nights. I hope I don't encounter problems with these riots.
13:49 August 9, 2011 by auniquecorn
can you grab me an Ipad?
14:16 August 9, 2011 by nec123
Comment removed by The Local for breach of our terms.
14:37 August 9, 2011 by Ebolter
I see the world is returning to the 'dark side '. Hopefully , we will be able to return to the other side in the future .
14:43 August 9, 2011 by Sastry.M
Now at least the Germans can investigate peacefully the causative factors of London and other British fires and take necessary precautions back at home.
15:14 August 9, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ nec123

Yes, you are right, it is the PKK that does the rioting in the UK. Or at least it triggered it. Well, to be honest, actually it has nothing to do with it. You just want to spread hatred against Kurdish people.

I think your head is a wonder. It might not have many ideas, but they are very stable.
15:21 August 9, 2011 by Asgarli
for nec123 PKK is also a cause of global warming
15:22 August 9, 2011 by Ebolter
No Chris , I think the world is sick of all the trouble makers, regardless of ones race or ethnicity,or even cultural dispersion, enough is enough.
15:29 August 9, 2011 by 9900lawre
As a Brit i am ashamed to say i agree with the travel warning. As a soldier i wait with anticipation at the concept of taking to the streets (just like Northern Ireland) and coming face to face over a riot line with people that may have gone to school with, or the week before not questioned where that low price iphone came from.

For the rest of the world wishing to visit the Changing of the Guard at Buckingham Palace you won't see bearskins and red tunics but body armour and helmets.

I can guarantee that the operator at other end of a 999 (112) call will be telling you the response time for your mugging will be about 2 weeks or go visit your countries embassy for a more sympathetic ear!
15:32 August 9, 2011 by catjones
Ebolter.....unless you become one of the disenfranchised or the one discriminated against then you're right, enough is enough.
15:54 August 9, 2011 by nec123
Editorial Board deleted my post for some reason i dont know.

Anyway, i did not say terrorist PKK is responsible for the riot in UK. But , I said any kind of terrorism must be fought by every state not only by effected..

Thinking that terrorism somewhere else is not harmful for themselves at least for the present is naive since it does not mean it will never visit themselves .


Terrorist is a terrorist no matter who , for what aim or where .
16:00 August 9, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ nec123

Rioting is not terrorism, even if violence is a common denominator. Riot = A violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd. Terrorism = The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
16:07 August 9, 2011 by nec123

After burning buses, wound a police using a knife, spread horror all over the area , it is named as "terror" and no more "riot".


I agree with you .enough is enough..!
16:22 August 9, 2011 by 9900lawre
Thankyou to all of you who digress so masively from the article.

The Shooting of the minicab driver was a trigger which prompted a peacful protest to see justice for what is claimed to be an unlawful death. The violence that followed was brought on by organised gangs who have recruited other chavs to help disrupt the police and community on a massive scale (now nationaly).

Regardless of my previous humour and dispare at the goings on i still back the view that travellers must be cautious. Your 999 call (112) will no doubt be met with very little response or sympathy. Visit the latest burnt out tourist attractions at risk and with no chance of compensation should anything go wrong.
16:35 August 9, 2011 by nec123
" a peaceful protest " :)
17:05 August 9, 2011 by harcourt
I am deeply ashamed and sorry for what is happening back in my home country. I would implore visitors going to to Britain at the moment to keep clear of the troubled areas until the situation is got under control. I can assure visitors that this is an abnormal aberration which I can only hope is temporary. As previous visitors to the U.K. will have experienced we are normally a very friendly and easy going lot.
18:22 August 9, 2011 by Lachner
@harcourt - No problem with regards to the situation in your home country. These things have happened in the past in almost every country (LA street riots for example which were even worse). I will be traveling next week for 5 nights to London, but I'll be staying at a friend's house in the West Kensington area. Which areas should I avoid in London? I have been there only once (1996) so I appreciate some guidance.
19:07 August 9, 2011 by harcourt
Lachner #18

At the moment it's in Hackney, Croydon, Clapham Junction, Peckham, Lewisham, Stratford and Ealing. Of course this could change in the next 24- 48 hrs. Check on the situation at the BBC website which is http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ Good luck!
19:18 August 9, 2011 by Nina Williams
From what I have been seeing on the various newspapers, there seems to be a mix of people involved in the chaos, not just one specific group stands out.
19:25 August 9, 2011 by Lachner
@ Harcourt - I just canceled my trip to London. I just read a bunch of information on the riots and it seems that the London government is not even close to containing the situation. The affected areas are far from our place, but we don't want to be caught in the middle of a riot while we are on tourism. We'll probably head over to Wales, Scotland and Ireland instead. Too bad, since we really wanted to enjoy London! :(
19:31 August 9, 2011 by harcourt

Sorry about the cancellation, however I can personally recommend Wales and Scotland. Really beautiful landscape and very hospitable people. Hope you enjoy your stay.
19:45 August 9, 2011 by LiberalGuy

Edinburugh is lovely this time of year
19:46 August 9, 2011 by Johan Fink
Why would you want to go to hell on earth? London is full of thieving criminals, it's a shithole.
20:01 August 9, 2011 by The-ex-pat
The Lisbon Treaty is the answer!! Remember, it has the death sentence EU wide buried deep in it. I do recall "riotous assembly" was one of the capital offences. A gallows on a few street corners, grab a rioting looter and after a couple are dealt with, the rest will go home. See the EU does have so good uses............................
20:06 August 9, 2011 by farmon
To the rest of Europe, watch this closely. This is what multiculturalism will eventually bring to you. Don't let it get as far as it did in England.
20:22 August 9, 2011 by DinhoPilot

Another rioter lose and putting fire in the Local is you. This has nothing to do with multi culti you douchebag. There are people from Higher education to no education in the group, blacks, whites, browns... natives and auslanders. Stop using this to spread your idiotic and racist ideologies.
22:08 August 9, 2011 by harcourt
Johan Fink

With friends like you, who needs enemies!!!
22:34 August 9, 2011 by moiin
Don't know exactly why people are destroying properties and looting things!! What is the benefit? Govt. need to find out the actual reason! Is it because of frustration in some groups/minorities?
22:42 August 9, 2011 by yourholiness
Is the London rioting mostly in the multicultural neighborhoods or in the mostly native british areas?
23:08 August 9, 2011 by catjones
Perhaps this is a revolution against democracy in favor of dictatorship.....antithesis of the Middle East.
00:57 August 10, 2011 by Struwel
I'm sorry that the English people have to deal with those riots.

To those of you coming from England and living here, I hope that everybody over there who is important to you will stay safe.

I hope everything will calm down soon!
02:07 August 10, 2011 by nec123

"rioting in the multicultural neighborhoods or in the mostly native british areas?"

it looks like your answer is ready for the first option which i can guess.

I just wonder what is for second...
02:47 August 10, 2011 by Biorealist
Hopefully the British government will finally get the message that they need to reduce immigration from high risk populations.
07:21 August 10, 2011 by lordkorner
Yourholiness,British= Scottish Welsh And English ,(we will leave the 6 counties of the north of Ireland out because I prefer it that way!!) therefore British = multicultural.
09:06 August 10, 2011 by moistvelvet
@9900lawre - "The Shooting of the minicab driver was a trigger"

You write two well constructed posts, pitty you didn't put the effort into getting the basic facts right first though, Starry Mark wasn't a minicab driver, he was the gang leading, crack dealing, firearm touting scumbag sat in the back, killed with one shot to the chest... should have been two just to make sure.

The Bild are saying "the television images dominating screens this week could be right out of Mogadishu", what because many of the people are black? How typically frickin racist of a German paper like the Bild.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024159/UK-RIOTS-2011-Keep-away-Britain-Governments-world-warn-citizens.html#ixzz1UbiEUnUE
09:07 August 10, 2011 by harcourt
Biorealist #34

The situation in Britain is similar to that in France, Germany and maybe other European countries. A quite substantial non-indigenous population and we have to sit down and work out all the problems that it throws up. Reducing immigration is a bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Personally I think that a combination of education and, very important, parental guidance and responsibility for their offspring.
09:10 August 10, 2011 by mos101392
As an American soldier...we too learn about respect and to be respected. The UK police are not respected...bottom line! Instead of 600 thugs in jail, (regardless of age), there should have been 600 thugs SHOT! I'm sure after the 100 or so, they would have gotten the message.
09:13 August 10, 2011 by freechoice
never have i seen so many drunk kids in major cities in UK. are these kids unhappy because their parents have abandon them?
10:49 August 10, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ moistvelvet

Just to be sure that you do not direct your anger towards the wrong target: it was not Bild that wrote "the television images dominating screens this week could be right out of Mogadishu", but Spiegel (http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,779318,00.html). Daily Mail correctly reported that in the article you point out. Where did you take Bild from?

Speaking about the content of the mentioned sentence, my take is that the comparison is based on Mogadishu's history of violence and it has nothing to do with racism. If you carefully read the original article, you will see that it is objective and does not make any speculations.
11:38 August 10, 2011 by nec123

Your comment reminds me the solutions of USA in ME countries. Killing people is not big problem for an American..isn't it?
12:28 August 10, 2011 by moistvelvet
@ChrisRea, ah yes my bad, I read Bild furhter down the article, must concentrate harder :-p

Delete "Bild", insert "Spiegel", the rest remains the same it is still a racist comment because my take it is nothing about Mogadishu's history of violence, why single out Mogadishu? Why not Athens, or Paris? No they used Mogadishu because it fitted the images they were portraying of black people rioting, using Athens or Paris wouldn't have fit their racist agenda... well that's my take on it.
13:47 August 10, 2011 by harcourt
I'm with moistvelvet on this one. Actually the areas of England where the lawlessness broke out have NOT got a "history" of violence. That's why the authorities were taken by surprise. Did we ever get comparisons with Mogadishu when Belfast had periods of violence? No I'm afraid that this was "Der Spiegel" forgetting to be "politically correct". No doubt I shall be attacked by the right when I say that I am not surprised at "Der Spiegel" using this unfair and incorrect comparison.
14:41 August 10, 2011 by yourholiness
Pity the poor british. They made the decision to welcome former colonials as cheap labor some years ago and it has come back to bite them in the behind. Immigrants to the UK have managed to forge a threat that the Nazis in WWII never managed to achieve.
15:13 August 10, 2011 by harcourt
Britain isn't the only one. Germany may have made the same mistake with its "gastarbeiter" !!
17:08 August 10, 2011 by George Palmer
I am ashamed to be British. It must be recognized that these animals are not representative of the British public. They are feral, criminals. Their only cause is greed. They should be locked up and the keys thrown away.
18:41 August 10, 2011 by toemag
Oh well the them and us divide has just got wider :-(

Can't wait for the 2012 Olympic games riot's, anyone want to place a wager on who'll win Gold in the team event???

As a Brit and ex-squaddie I'm ashamed for my country and what the PC'ness has turned it into.
21:52 August 10, 2011 by Nina Williams
Where is everyone else getting that it is only immigrants rioting and looting? Looking at all the British papers I see a very diverse crowd:

e.g http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024203/UK-RIOTS-2011-Manchester-Midlands-burn-London-control.html

As far as I know cities like Manchester are predominately white. Or do people just want to come on here and spout their anti-immigration agenda. The kids doing this are mindless yobs inculcated into a selfish and me only culture where hard work does not exist, parents are feckless and the government pays for everything. This is not something that is unique to the UK but seems to be festering in a lot of nanny states imho.
22:47 August 10, 2011 by harcourt
toemag #47

You're dead right about Political Correctness, The vast majority of the rioting youngsters have up until very recently only known a Labour Govt. It was under that govt. that P.C. came in with avengeance. What did Blair say when he first got in "it's Education, Education, Education" Well a fat lot of good they did as you can see on the streets of England at the moment. Plus the police have to be so careful how they handle tricky situations which leads to lack of action, as has been witnessed lately. Everything has to be re-thought out.

I too am desperately ashamed for my country.
00:56 August 11, 2011 by ChrisRea
Apparently police brutality is part of the problem. Here is a recent video where police does much more than necessary to neutralise some suspects in Manchester: you tube.com/watch? feature=player_embedded&v=i1b74BdPfSQ

Regarding the initial incident, the ballistic report determined that Mark Duggan did not fire his weapon, as initially claimed by the police. Apparently, they tried to cover up the killing and did not inform the family for two days.

Britain has an infamous history of deadly and unpunished police brutality. New Zealand teacher and anti-racism campaigner Blair Peach was unlawfully killed by a police officer, but as his partner refused to co-operate in the investigation (and actually lied), the killer could not be punished. In 2005 Brasilian Jean Charles de Menezes was mistaken for a terrorist and, after being immobilised, was shot seven times in the head. The police was found guilty and fined, but none of the police officers was punished. In 2009 English newspaper vendor Ian Tomlinson was struck by a police officer and died while on his way home from work during the 2009 G-20 summit protests (he was just an innocent passerby). Even if an inquest jury ruled that he was unlawfully killed, the guilty police office is still not punished.

These are only some cases that became known to the public. I wonder how many more were covered.

Of course, police behaviour is no excuse for the vandals. The anger against law enforcement forces was redirected against law itself and then combined with other frustrations and even boredom and as a result innocent citizens had to suffer terribly and some people were even killed. These vandals and criminals should be severely punished.
02:05 August 11, 2011 by Ludwig von America
The world should not miss this chance to get in on the "UK Spring" and help these protesters overthrow the evil government there. Such widespread and violent uprising can only mean that the leaders are bad and must go. First, a UN resolution authorizing military force to protect innocent civilians is in order. Fighter jets loaded with bombs would enforce a "no-fly zone". The protesters should be recognized as the new legitimate government. How many innocent civilians must be hurt by this brutal government before the world wakes up?
05:20 August 11, 2011 by mos101392

I guess you think using "BAD" language will keep the thieves home. Your answer to the situation should not be at the mercy of the honest hard working people who are forced to leave their homes because some punks want something for free and set everything on fire. There is no excuse for what they are doing and frankly I could care less about their "problems". They are simply taking advantage of the lax English culture. Too bad they are not rioting in America where they would either get shot or get their skulls crushed by a baseball bat. As far as the ME...if anything, they have benefited from our occupation. Personally, I would not have wasted one American tax dollar on their skins.
06:22 August 11, 2011 by DOZ
Wasn't it in Germany where the Gangster Youth first started rioting. Isn't it a fact that it was Germany's Social System of stupidity that bred the worlds first Youth Riots.
08:28 August 11, 2011 by harcourt
ChrisRea #50 may have a point, perhaps police brutality was the trigger for this insurrection, and we just don't know what sort of treatment is inflicted on these juveniles once in police cells.

Maybe the British govt. should agree to a UN enquiry as suggested by the Iranians. Also these youngsters should take advantage of the offer of shelter in the Iranian embassy for protection against such police brutaliy.
10:18 August 11, 2011 by yourholiness
Thats a very good idea harcourt. Perhaps these kids should be encouraged to emigrate to Iran if they feel dissatisfied in Britain.
17:12 August 11, 2011 by Teddy/agnes
Do you know anybody that works for a poor person? I know you don't a bunch of dumb asses.
20:23 August 11, 2011 by nec123
@mos101392 breivik reincarnated in US?

Hey man, being a soldier does not mean you must kill all the times..ha?
07:16 August 12, 2011 by mos101392

No, but I guess you think it's ok for those "dirt bags" or I prefer to call them societies filth, to beat and kill innocent hard working people. There is no excuse for what they are doing and they are not the majority. It's already been said by their prime minister that the police didn't do enough fast enough. Since parents are responsible for their offspring until they reach adulthood, they should also be held accountable. If one of my kids were involved, I would try to repay any damages my offspring did, (meaning if it came from my nutsack), I would then tell the police to keep him locked up for as long as possible! End of story!!!!!!!
19:58 August 12, 2011 by roger-briggs
As a Brit normally living and working in Germany but in England for a holiday (nice English Word, "holiday", dontcha think, so much more expressive than "vacation") I am as stunned and at a loss for an explanation than the vast majority of the population. The only commonly agreed explanation is there is no easy explanation. Three men run over and killed in Birmingham were immigrants and it looks like the man who murdered them with his car was too. If the "riots" are political protests, why steal designer goods or, worse, smash up your local store for a few fags (cigarettes) and bottles of booze? Police brutality or police inaction? Resentment at having their youth club closed or just the opportunity of something for nothing? Why now?

No one knows.
21:41 August 12, 2011 by Kennneth Ingle
This could happen here too. The problems are the same. The only differences I see are: 1. The police in germany are better Armed.
22:17 August 12, 2011 by nebulon
If the Country wasn't so full of illegal free loaders, here to get what they can at the expense of those who work for what they have, this might not have happened. If these scumbags feel dispossessed, excluded, denied or whatever you wish to call it, let them go elsewhere, out of Europe and see what's for free there.
13:54 May 29, 2012 by Flying Scot
The headline is very lazy "uk riots"England is NOT the uk!This happened in England only.
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