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Couple gunned down in Cologne street shooting

The Local · 30 Nov 2010, 10:12

Published: 30 Nov 2010 10:12 GMT+01:00

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The 29-year-old woman and her boyfriend were shot in the snowy parking lot of an Ergo insurance building around 7 pm in the western Braunsfeld district, local daily Kölnische Rundschau reported on Tuesday.

Police received several calls from witnesses in the area reporting people bleeding on the street, and emergency services rushed to the scene. But the woman succumbed to her injuries on the way to the hospital, and her boyfriend died several hours later.

“A lot of shots were fired,” a police officer told the paper.

Cologne police have formed a murder investigation team and believe the motive may have been jealousy.

“We don’t have concrete background yet,” a spokesperson from police headquarters told the paper.

They are searching for a vehicle seen stopped at the parking lot around the time the shooting occurred. Meanwhile a witness reported seeing a person run from the scene of the crime.

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The street where the shooting occurred, Scheidtweiler Straße, was closed for several hours while investigators searched for clues.

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11:48 November 30, 2010 by Lachner
I thought these kind of unfortunate events only happened in other countries with weak gun control laws such as in the US. Since Germany has such strict gun and knife laws, then why did this happen? This is a clear example that gun control has no effect on the reduction of violent crimes with firearms. The criminals can still easily buy guns in the black market, while civilians are forced to defend themselves with non-automatic and non-lockable crappy pocket knives and cheap pepper spray sold in vending machines. I am a big advocate of gun possession in the hands of civilians (as in Switzerland) so sometimes I don't comprehend why German politicians insist on disarming its citizens and leaving them defenseless.

Germany is still WAY safer than most other western countries and the Bundespolizei is top-notch in controlling crime. I come from Costa Rica, so I'm used to all this types of events and I feel VERY safe in Germany but sometimes I wish I could at least carry a decent pocket knife "just in case".
12:44 November 30, 2010 by Simon_Kellett
Lachner: you seem to contradict yourself:

> This is a clear example that gun control has no effect on the reduction of violent crimes with firearms.


> Germany is still WAY safer

This is a single case: I guess you should compare annual per head of population rates.

Wikipedia says (gun related homicides per 100,000 people) US: 2.97, Germany: 0.47, Switzerland: 0.56, Costa Rica: 3.38, Columbia (top): 51.8.

13:13 November 30, 2010 by cobalisk
Using the deaths of two people as an platform for advocating more guns on the streets is in extraordinarily poor taste.

Stating that one gun crime means gun laws are ineffective is called 'inferring to the general', that is taking one example and applying it to a whole society. It is illogical and easily refuted with even basic facts.

These two people were murdered, it is awful and the focus should now be on assisting the police in apprehending the gunman.

Germany has its strict gun laws, some people like them, some people don't. The US has a very different system, some like that and others don't. Considering that you feel 'VERY safe' here, perhaps you should accept the system in place as a valuable component of a safe and civil society.

As for personal protection, there are many items one can carry, spray, an aluminum flashlight, a large screwdriver or other blunt tool...the point is, for self defense many things are effective and need not be 'lethal'. Deterrence is almost always enough and in pinch, a few whacks can get the point across.
14:09 November 30, 2010 by frankiep
Germany is safer, IMO, due to a couple of different factors.

There is a social safety net here that is significantly stronger than that in places like the US. In the US someone can lose their job without any sort of warning, and subsequently find themselves unable to pay for their rent, mortgage, insurance, groceries, etc. with relatively little assistance from the state. In addition, the education needed to get a decent job is ridiculously expensive, forcing most people to take out huge loans that will only add to their financial burdens. Add this together and you have a society of people who:

1) are stressed to the max due to overwhelming financial obligations and worries about job security

2) have taken on these tremendous financial burdens, only to find themselves unemployed and unable to pay their rent or mortgage after a few years of work

3) choose not to subject themselves to overwhelming debt slavery before they even begin working and instead find themselves in dead end jobs with no future; or worse, unemployed after their dead end job was outsourced to the third world.

Mix these things together and it is no wonder that the US is full of cities with ridiculously high crime rates.

However, this would still be the case with, or without, strict gun control. Look at places like Switzerland, Czech Republic, Norway, or New Zealand - all countries with relatively liberal gun control laws, yet also relatively low crime rates. Now look at places like Britain, where just about all firearms are outlawed yet crime in many areas is epidemic. The bottom line is that guns are not bad, and are not responsible for crime. A society that is respectful of all of its citizens can be awash in firearms and still have very little violence (Switzerland), and a society that walks over its citizens and treats all of them as criminals from the start can ban all privately owned firearms (Britain) and still be awash in violent crime.

The whole argument about gun control is a red herring when you consider that crime, especially violent crime, isn't generally an issue in countries that respect their citizens.
19:28 November 30, 2010 by AusHessen
The victim went to police and told them about the massive violence and abuse of Mr. Mustafa Tilki the killer and ex boyfriend. Again the german police has failed to protect and save lives because of their incompetency. This murderer would have been picked up by the police immediately if he would have been in the US and this young women and her friend would be still alive today.
19:31 November 30, 2010 by dbert4
@AusHessen - If this was the US, they would still be trying to figure out who did it.
19:40 November 30, 2010 by Lachner
@Simon_Kellett, if gun control is the solution why is England one of the European countries with the highest crime rates? Their gun control is the strictest in Europe and ever since its legislation crime rates with firearms have skyrocketed. But in the other hand, a country like Switzerland which has liberal gun laws is the safest.The other user (Franklep) explained the main reason in the difference between Germany and the US. Oh by the way, a big promoter in Germany of gun control was none other than Adolf Hitler. Sure, disarm civilians to have your way with the people. I feel WAY safer in Germany than in Costa Rica because crime in my home land is high due to drug trafficking (drugs being sold to US and European clients) and poverty which is way different than an educated, devoloped and first world society that has thousands of years more in history than us.

@Cobalisk, I'm not an advocate of guns in Germany because: 1) I'm not a resident or citizen of Germany to have a saying and 2) I don't care if Germans carry or own guns. I was just expressing my opinion on a current subject. It is regretful what happened to the victims and I offer my apologies if my comments seemed harsh.
20:22 November 30, 2010 by jamboree
British "gun" crime statistics usually have a high percentage of BB-gun related incidents.
20:45 November 30, 2010 by rfwilson

Very well said! Very insightful.
01:34 December 1, 2010 by Prufrock2010
@ cobalisk & frankiep

Good, insightful comments. Thanks.
07:54 December 1, 2010 by auniquecorn
Education, It´s all about Education.

When people don´t raise their children to respect others, this Sh!t will happen.
09:20 December 1, 2010 by zaly

It maybe the authority too easy to approved the gun's license, I was applied for license it took for 4 years to approved.
10:00 December 1, 2010 by catjones
@frankiep. You don't know what you're talking about. Using the context of the recent financial meltdown as a pretext for U.S. crime is ridiculous.
11:32 December 1, 2010 by George Palmer
Germany is indeed safer-even in the big cities. I worked as a police officer in South East London and before I retired in 2008 I regularly had to respond to shootings. Never a week would go by without a firearms incident. The number of guns that are in the hands of (mostly black) gangs is truely staggering and sadly innocent people get caught up in the crossfire during the on going 'turf wars'. Be grateful to live in Germany, but beware, the disease of violent gang culture is a regrettable by product of multiculturism. I am not racist and abhore anyone who is. The simple (unmentionable because of political correctness) truth is, unrestricted entry of asylum seekers from Somalia and Sub Saharan Africa imports robbery, rape, thieving and gang and drug related violence. I pray Germany doesn't make the same mistakes our British politicions have. I was so sick of what I saw on the streets of London that I took the first opportunity to get away and live in the Med where people still have respect for each other and there is none of this'Don't diss me man' sh*t..
15:37 December 1, 2010 by frankiep
@catjones. I was not referring to the recent financial meltdown. Secondly, tell me how I am wrong. The nature of society in the US is that people (except for those who come from wealthy backgrounds) are practically required to impose upon themselves crippling debt before they even reach the age of 25 simply to obtain a decent education. Additionally there is relatively little, if any, job security available after taking on all of this debt and finishing your education in the hopes that they 'might' be able to get ahead.

If you cannot see how this translates into extreme levels of stress and worry then I don't know what to tell you. As for the people who either can't or won't subjugate themselves to debt slavery, they live with the knowledge that there is practically no chance that they will ever be able to attain the kind of lifestyle the popular media in the country says must be attained lest you want to be considered a lowlife loser.

Society in the US is at a breaking point. One would have to be blind to deny that. As long as the number of meaningful jobs with a future continues to shrink, and the cost of education to even have a chance to obtain one of these disappearing jobs continues to skyrocket, the rates of violent crime in the US will only increase. Honestly, it doesn't take a genius to see the correlation.
22:33 December 1, 2010 by Lachner
@George Palmer, guns in the hands of people who use them for crime is always a bad idea. The problem is that governments usually counter attacks a rise in gun violence by restricting the possession of firearms among civilians. Nonetheless, the criminals don't buy their guns legally at a gun shop and are criminals because they disregard all the government's laws. Therefore, such laws only make the criminals' life easier.

I agree with Franklep and Auniquecorn. If a country does not have a social security net in place to prevent the people from being out of an employment, losing their house, losing their insurance and placing a lot of pressure on them, this helps reduce crime. And Auniquecorn's comment with regards to more education is accurate. Therefore, the less people have to worried about being unemployed, poor and have more education, the less violence we will see in the streets.

You do have a solid point with regards to multiculturism and immigrants. Some of them do provide lots of hard work, knowledge and uphold the law, but there are many that such perform crimes in their new country. I respect the Swiss's decision to expel all those immigrants that commit crimes.
10:23 December 5, 2010 by Domdeone
Saw a poster once that read ' Ban guns & only outlaws will have them'
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