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Islamists offered way out of extremist groups

DPA/The Local · 19 Jul 2010, 11:31

Published: 19 Jul 2010 11:31 GMT+02:00

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Participants and their family or friends can now find help via email or telephone with the new “HATIF” service, which stands for Heraus Aus Terrorismus und Islamistischem Fanatismus, or “Leaving terrorism and Islamist fanaticism.”

“Hatif” is also the Arabic word for telephone.

“The main goal of HATIF is to prevent violence in the name of Islam,“ the intelligence agency the Verfassungsschutz said.

The service, offered in both Turkish and Arabic, will not try to lead people from the religion of Islam, but instead provide safe options for those hoping to extract themselves from extremist circles, the agency said.

Candidates and their families will receive help changing locations, seeking occupational qualifications and deflecting threats.

Experts believe that danger to those looking to turn away from Islamist extremists is extremely high. According to de Maizière, Islamists continue to keep Germany in their sights, with more than 29 such organisations active within the country.

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Meanwhile the number of people thought to be Islamists has risen to 36,270 – up from 34,720 in 2008.

Germany began a similar programme for right-wing extremists in 2001.

DPA/The Local (news@thelocal.de)

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12:34 July 19, 2010 by erdinger
Stop coddeling these SOB. A tiger cannot change its strips. Only solution,firm up German laws, arrest them up when they violate German law and put them on trial.
13:56 July 19, 2010 by michael4096
@erdinger - its daft ideas like yours that push the young and idealist into the hands of extremists in the first place. Unfortunately, once they are there and see that the radicals have some pretty daft ideas too, they can't get out.

Maybe you have never made a mistake, but most people do - and if someone decides that associating too closely with dangerous people was a mistake then allowing him to correct himself sounds like a cheaper solution than yours.
15:04 July 19, 2010 by auniquecorn
Candidates and their families will receive help changing locations, seeking occupational qualifications and deflecting threats.

I think this is a good way to get the extremist to intregrate into our communities a little easier.
17:11 July 19, 2010 by derExDeutsche
This is what I call the 'Snakehead Fish' Phenomena.

Its where some Bleeding Heart throws a Pet Shop bought Asian Snakehead Fish into European and American lakes and streams, to 'Save the poor thing'. Only to have that same fish and its offspring threaten to eliminate all native species.
18:50 July 19, 2010 by michael4096
It is nothing to do with preventing radicalization and sleepers - just the opposite. These guys are generally unknown to the authorities and already with extremists - but want out. Giving them a free pass means the authorities know who and where they are, which they didn't before, they get information and they make a friend for life.

I'm sure John le Carre can come up with some scenario where extremists use it to their advantage, but it is common for far worse 'mafia style' bad guys than the misguided kids targeted here.
18:50 July 19, 2010 by wenddiver
The US throws people out of the US who were Nazis. The whole civilized world should do the same with radical jihadists, before we end up tore to pieces like Lebanon for allowing these vipers in our homes. They have no place in the Free world.
20:13 July 19, 2010 by JAMessersmith
Moral relativism is not the way to go here. To simply say that everyone makes mistakes, so we should allow radical jihadists a chance to rehabilitate themselves is absurd. Yes, people make mistakes, like drunk-driving, getting in to fights, going in to too much debt, or what have you, but very very few people will ever become radical extremists looking to murder people who don't see eye-to-eye with their narrow-minded worldview and topple western society altogether. Only a select few even have that kind of mindset, and those that do should not be allowed back in to civilized society. This is right up a terrorist's alley. If anything, they will pretend to want out, so they can better infiltrate civilization, only to go berserk and claim their 99 virgins in the end. All radical extremism should be mercilessly stamped out; fight fire with fire. It may be unpleasant, but that's the nature of war. So many in the west would like to pretend like this isn't a real problem, and that we're not really at war. It goes far beyond bad blood. These radicals truly believe that western society; i.e. women's rights, alcohol, capitalism, gay rights, atheism, etc... are equivalent to Satan worship (who they don't see as a mythological being, but as a real entity that seeks to undermine morality). They resent seemingly insignificant things like bikinis, Oktoberfest, casinos, rock music, and the like, and view everyone who values such things as degenerate. This mean, even if we were to sing, "Why Can't We Be Friends" to them, they'd want our heads for singing. It may be unpleasant and unfortunate, but there is no negotiating with these people. You will never make friends by invading a country, but you can, however, break the enemy's spirits and crush their will to resist. That's pretty much our only option when it comes to people who are willing to kill children because they will grow up to become decadent westerners.
21:41 July 19, 2010 by Prufrock2010
The Islamic jihadists/terrorists have already won. Get used to it.
21:50 July 19, 2010 by ReaderX
@JAMessersmith Right on man preach it like it is!. A cheaper and more effective way to stop the terrorism is with a .38 cent bullet. But so long as people in the world think that these terrorists want to integrate and or can be "rehabilitated" this will never change. It has been their mission for thousands of years. Why should today's generation of bleeding heart liberals think that they can change these people? I mean Russian tried it in the late70's till the late 80's and after what ten years gave up and pulled out of Afghanistan. It's the same everywhere you turn these days, some say the Westerners just don't understand these people and because of that they are victims. That's a bunch of crap. Their ideology will formed over hundreds of years will not be changed overnight.
22:29 July 19, 2010 by wxman
The allies in Afghanistan already have an opt-out programme. It's called Kill Them All.
02:46 July 20, 2010 by nabs
please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/do-they-even-know-what-islam-is/
05:30 July 20, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Reader X --

What exactly is a "bleeding heart liberal," and why must you resort to cheap slogans to discuss an issue that is nonpartisan? Are you unable to make a cogent point without resorting to bumper sticker terminology?
11:10 July 20, 2010 by LancashireLad
The problem is not your "terrorist on the ground". The problem is the people who twist his/her religion. Many of these of these extreme idealists have been made so by their "religious leaders" convincing them that following their form of religion is the only true way to "God". Many of them would not recognise true islam in comparisonn to the extreme form they have been told is the truth (caveat: I am no expert on Islam. I am only repeating what I have heard from muslims.)
16:56 July 20, 2010 by Der Grenadier aus Aachen
I do believe that people change and grow over time. Especially ones that were very young when they were corrupted, and have quietly, over age and wisdom, found the error of their ways. It would be nice if we could find a way to allow them to start over.

That being said, if it's too difficult to sort them out from the ones that want to destroy our civilization, then they will have to be casualties. Sorry.
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