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Flagellating the Fatherland

Marc Young · 27 May 2010, 17:06

Published: 27 May 2010 17:06 GMT+02:00

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I know The New York Times is facing painful cutbacks these days, but putting a Bild story through Google translate is no basis for an inflammatory editorial.

America’s paper of record on Thursday published a blistering critique of Germany’s response to the eurozone emergency sparked by Greece’s debt woes. Titled “Germany vs. Europe,” the opinion piece painted an ugly picture of a callously selfish Germany returning to petty nationalistic tendencies in times of crisis.

It then quoted Bild, Germany’s biggest and – rather more importantly – most sensationalist paper, as evidence how the country was rife with absurdly anti-Greek sentiment.

The barbarous Germans are demanding the Greeks sell the Acropolis! The Germans want to kick the lazy Greeks out of the euro!

In truth, Bild’s anti-Greek campaign was simply a classic tabloid effort to sell papers with populism. Would the New York Times base an editorial on US healthcare reform on Fox News reporting? The boys in the Axel Springer tower must be giddy with glee for managing to hoodwink America’s most important daily with such transparently silly coverage.

On the back of this breathtaking journalistic lapse, the editorial goes on to attack Germany for refusing to simply open its chequebook and pay off the European Union’s problems as it has for much of the post-war era.

Certainly criticism of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s dithering approach to the Greek crisis is warranted. I’ve dished up some myself. But is the New York Times editorial page so naïve that it believes American politicians are above being guided by domestic concerns?

No one at the Times would ever have questioned the United States or France for sticking up for the national interest. It’s only when Germany suddenly decides to assert itself that a respectable paper can have the gall to speak of “nationalist illusions,” conjuring up images of jackbooted thugs marching across the Rhine.

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Perhaps most absurdly, the Times faintly praised Germany for resisting the fiscal recklessness of some other EU nations – and the US – yet demanded Berlin now spend like a drunken sailor to save the global economy from certain disaster. Maybe the Midtown Manhattan pontificators would also like to suggest German consumers rack up some punishing credit card debt like their American cousins to spur domestic demand?

It's likely no coincidence the paper published this piece the same day US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was in Berlin to push Germany to do more to boost the global economy. But it's rather doubtful the editors at the Times did the Obama administration any favours with their ill-informed hatchet job.

The next time the New York Times op-ed page cares to devote so much space to Germany, perhaps they should read The Local first. We’d be happy to educate them about what’s going on here – and they wouldn’t even have to use Google translate.

Marc Young (marc.young@thelocal.de)

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Your comments about this article

16:51 May 27, 2010 by Der Grenadier aus Aachen
All good points.

But really, did we expect anything else? Germany is only ever welcome as a member of the international community when we come with wallets open. Heaven forbid we spare a thought for ourselves.
17:17 May 27, 2010 by Fruitkok
As a Dutch taxpayer, paying for the faults of the rest of the world, I understand Germany's behaviour of the past couple of months. The sad thing is that international payments have become the standard and not doing so reduces you to an isolationist. I'm wondering whether countries like Greece, Spain and Portugal are still spending money on developmental aid. I think they have all the reason not to. And extending this, I think that no one can blame us when we Northern-Europeans refuse to pay up anymore. Not to the poor, certainly not to the *rich*. However, I do think that the NY times has point about the unilateral behaviour of Germany. That you can't trust on the corrupt garlic-belt is clear now, but why ignoring your allies. Besides Germany, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Austria, Finland are in this mess together. What's good for them, is good for Germany.
17:19 May 27, 2010 by Portnoy
The NYT failed to mention The Fatherland was only picking up part of the tab for the 750 billion euro backstop, not the whole thing. And it amazes me that the paper that relies so much on Berlin for seemingly every second feature about where to live would then take such amateur aim at the politicians in the same city.

Bild indeed.
17:36 May 27, 2010 by gagaou
I guess the point "earlier action=less cost" was kind of lost.
18:22 May 27, 2010 by Zlik
"All The news not fit to print"?
19:15 May 27, 2010 by Thames
. The Times needs to get its own financial house in order.

The New York Times which is only good for its crossword puzzel and travel sections. For the most part any criticism from this rag should be seen

as praise.
19:46 May 27, 2010 by wood artist
After reading the editorial, the criticism of the Times is both valid and appropriate. However, as this writer also noted, "Germany", meaning the government, is not without some blame for the way the Greek situation has been handled.

All that said, ultimately the problem is that all actions will be judged by hindsight. If Greece struggles, or ultimately fails, there will be those who argue that Germany didn't do enough, or didn't do it quickly enough. If Greece recovers, others will postulate that German help was never needed and that all Greece needed to do was get realistic about how they run their country.

In truth, no matter what happens, historians and economists will argue from now to forever about what was happening, what did happen, and how the variousl players impacted the situation. Heck, we can't even get agreement on the most basic history of anythiing else, even the simple stuff. There's still a large debate about the impact of Herman (Armenius) defeating Varus!

20:32 May 27, 2010 by derExDeutsche
'Would the New York Times base an editorial on US healthcare reform on Fox News reporting? The boys in the Axel Springer tower must be giddy with glee for managing to hoodwink America¦#39;s most important daily with such transparently silly coverage. '

Could Marc Young be wiping the crust from his conjunctivitis crusted eyes?

Excuse me? 'AMERICAS MOST IMPORTANT DAILY' has an agenda? Can't be!

There is a reason the Gray Lady is going broke, just like Germany is. Only Kooks write for and read the NYT in any serious manner. Kinda like you you.

I love what Herman Von Rompuy said

"We are clearly confronted with a tension within the system, the ill-famous dilemma of being a monetary union and not a full-fledged economic and political union," This tension has been there since the single currency was created. However, the general public was not really made aware of it."

'"The euro zone crisis is not simply about economic failure but also a breakdown in trust between the political class and European citizens. The EU elite simply got it wrong on the euro."

Ah. The Elite.
23:58 May 27, 2010 by wxman
More "Hope & Change" from the US administration's mouthpiece.
00:22 May 28, 2010 by robert barnes
Do not expect too much from americans.

American competence in almost all respects is on a down hill slide and has been for well over twenty years. I read the NYT almost daily and usually look thru the op-ed but most of it is either stupid or worse. It is so america orientated as to be of little consequence to europeans. Don't get hung up on what is written there and be sure take a look at the backgroung of the writer. It' easy with google.

If you want news about europa then the web gives a huge selection of news web sites to chose from "in europe"!

Americans, being stuck with their form of english are often getting their european viewpoints from the economist and that as we all know means mostly "mist".

Useing the sources they can understand limits most americans from most of the mainstream of european news. Poor america.

That's a fact!
01:09 May 28, 2010 by hanskarl
OK...I found some really important news from the US. The New York Times should pick this one up off the news wire................soon! Here it is: "Riding mower sets speed record, topping 87 mph "
01:30 May 28, 2010 by Prufrock2010
ExDeutsche --

More B.S. as usual. Without defending the editorial board of the New York Times, I ask you (seriously), would you consider Times columnists Roger Cohen, Nicholas Kristof, Paul Krugman, David Brooks, Thomas Friedman, David Leonhardt, Maureen Dowd, Gretchen Morgenson and Andrew Sorkin all "kooks?" If so, you are an imbecile.
16:30 May 28, 2010 by Beachrider
Ad hominem...

The Times is not a government organ. If you want that, you can read "Stars & Stripes" or attend White House/Pentagon briefings.

By their nature, private-press (even the largest ones) have agendas. They have an informed opinion and should be discussed, but never taken as infallible.

The NYT believes that the diffuse leadership issue looms large for the Eurozone. A lot of people believe that in America. Germany is the largest economy in the Eurozone, so it will take a disproportionate share of the lightening. You are the big-boys in a big fishbowl. When America shows reluctance, people jump on the president. When Germany shows reluctance, something similar will happen.

Smile about this, we are treating Germany like a world power. It isn't always fun, but it is important.
16:47 May 28, 2010 by Hebbellover
Ah...so the liberal honeymoon is over? NY Times is more like NY Slimes, but alas, it bites both ways. Liberals attacking liberals, ahhhhh....so refreshing!
17:00 May 28, 2010 by Beynch
@Prufrock2010: Germany is well advised to completely ignore whatever the new york times says. It has become a mouthpiece for the rock throwing, pathetic, left and today has zero credibility. It once did. It is so offensively liberally biased that it reeks of communism, and is no longer capable of producing any pearls of factual written wisdom, only leftist dogma. It shows only stupefying contempt contempt for the average American. Its entire editorial policy is morally inverted to that of most Americans', and I don't think anyone pays any attention any more. And the list of names you mention, Krugman, Dowd, Cohen, Sorkin etc, they're all operating in "creating opinion mode", not being journalists, and are running the errands of our disastrous - one term - Obambo administration. Goodbye NY Times! You were good up until about 20 years ago. May you be buried in your own socialist filth!
17:13 May 28, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Beynch --

I suspect that any publication that is not owned by Rupert Murdoch and employs Pulitzer Prize winning journalists and at least one Nobel laureate would be considered by you to be a communist organ. Your right wing rants make Glenn Beck appear to be almost sane by comparison. But they're amusing, nonetheless. I doubt that you have ever read the New York Times because all those polysyllabic words would bog you down. In a perverse way I hope you ultra right wing hate mongers get your wish and win back the Congress. It will be fun to watch you finish the job of destroying America that your heroes Reagan and Bush started.
17:33 May 28, 2010 by CP92804
Being an American is embarrassing these days. The right wing screams constantly about our sovereignty but have no problem poking other sovereign countries in the nose and demanding whatever they want. I wish things would return to the way they were before bush and cheney.
18:12 May 28, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Being an American isn't nearly so embarrassing as it was under the Bush-Cheney regime. The tea party knuckleheads only embarrass themselves. I'm continually amused by how quickly they abandon their anti-federal-government mantra in the face of disasters such as the BP fiasco, hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, or when some doofus tries to blow up his underwear, and start screaming that the federal government isn't doing its job fast enough. Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal is atop the leaderboard of hypocrites. He refused to accept stimulus money to help his desperately needy unemployed constituents, but blames the federal government for the greatest environmental disaster in the history of America that was caused by British Petroleum.

Back to the topic: I doubt that most of the posters on this thread actually read the New York Times editorial in question. I did, and as one who lives in Germany, I think it made many valid points. Merkel dropped the ball on the Greek bailout. Germany is indeed turning inward toward "nationalist illusions." Germany was one of the creators of the euro, and has a responsibility as the most powerful economic power in Europe to take a leadership role within the EU to try to prevent a great European recession. As a founding member of the EU, Germany has to decide whether its policies are good for the entire European Union or only for Germany. This is an existential question for both Germany and the EU, and I don't think there's anything inappropriate about the New York Times discussing it. German newspapers have no qualms about discussing American political policies on a daily basis, as we are all unfortunately interdependent thanks to globalization.
00:08 May 29, 2010 by deutschamer
It would be better to evict Greece from the EU and the Euro. That way they could devalue their currency and solve their own problems. It would not be the end of the EU like many would have us believe. It was a mistake to let them in to begin with.
00:50 May 29, 2010 by Ellin
Yes, Greeks out except if they had done the following. Put every public official who has served since 1980 on trial, punish them and repatriate the stolen funds. That would show seriousness and also add billions to the Greek exchequer to help pay off the debt.

Of course, the Greeks won't do that because they are all involved (governments and people). This is a state that functions routinely on illegality and Germany has provided a lifeline for its survival. Catastrophic.
18:45 May 29, 2010 by Eastard
Comment: 100% of the issue with Greece was due to their lack of fiscal/political action within the bounds of their agreements signed in joining the EU. Ignoring this agreement had become commonplace. It was expected that Germany would continue to "fund the lifestyle". Keep in mind that Greece;s issues occurred over many years with numerious opportunities to change coarse. It would have required Greece to stop complaining (country's top sport) and actually deal with it's own issues. Instread, Greece successfully made the global news focus on Germany as the villian.. This news story was not limited to the USA. Germany should be proud of Merkel for both listening to her people and for not doing the globally popular incorrect thing by bailing them out "again".. In the USA we have select members of a minority from Africa that after 200 years still act like Greece....entitled. It has shown that individuals must help themselves if true change is to occur.. Some have and many have not. In my life, the US government has done too much for them and they have been taught to complain for more versus work for more.. Germany did the right thing in a major way to push the effort to tthe IMF... lest they be accused for babysitting Greece's government. Germany did not cause the multi-country fiiscal issues yet some press are trying to make it look this way.. In years past, support was optional and went to the deserving. Governments made promises of performance and actually performed. Global discussions now center on the default obligation governments with money have to governments with none... regardless of why they have no money...This is backwards ... It is fine to question Germany's commitment to the EU but it is wrong to blame them for having self interest...
15:49 May 30, 2010 by christmascorner
Hey Beynch!! Right on. 100%. The liberals are comming out of the mole holes via NEW YORK TIMES. Much like THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE, no editorial room for conservative rebuttle.
17:52 May 30, 2010 by swoki

Being a Greek who has spent the first 25 years of his life in Athens, I must agree that there is something seriously wrong with the way we handle our financial affairs (among other things). And I seriously hope that this crisis will force us to change our country to something better. On the other hand, truth is that the current problem is a lot more complex than you try to bring it down to.

Yes, Greece messed up big time and I don't think that we're trying to blame anyone else (so, by the way, please save your marginally racist comments about my country's top sport for when chatting with your buddies). However, due to the EMU's fundemental flaws, coming up with a solution is not even close to as simple as you think it is. Personally, I would prefer Greece leaving the EMU, regain our fiscal freedom, devaluating our currency, strengthening our exports, etc. But Germany, France and all the big boys in the union will not let us do it: any goods they export to us would be just too expensive for us to buy. Plus the prospect of the other members of the P.I.G.S. - as you like calling us - following this path would be just disastrous for the current major exporters of the union. So, some action had to be taken, and if you think that Greece borrowing from the IMF is actually beneficial for the EMU - you said that Merkel pushing the effort to the IMF was wise - please give me a single example a collapsing economy recovering after borrowing from the IMF. The most fundamental mistake Merkel made was losing time. I'm amazed at the fact that you can't see that earlier action would have equaled lower cost as gagou mentioned.

ps: It was not only your comments about Greece's top sport that were insulting. The ones about African Americans were pretty bad as well.
19:46 May 30, 2010 by Eastard

Interesting... Merkel has to respond on how to spend billions of German taxpayer Euros real fast and it's OK for Greece to take a decade to change... Do you think that Greece would have agreed to enact and allow audit of real change if the debt issue was not hitting them May 19th...? What was special about this debt crisis that was not the same for the past 12 years...? Germany's response..

Merkel did not want Germany ( goverment) managing Greece (government) as was defined to not occur in the incorporation of the EU (Greece signed... might be educational to read it)... Too many years had passed with little to no reform and as you may recall, Greece refused to have any audit processes of their promised changes... The IMF was different... they are not a government and can force change/audit.... and did so... I thought it was a difficult decision for German leadership to make to play hardball but it looks to have worked... Could this have been done differently...? YES... Greece could have taken the problem seriously anytime in the past 12 years... and especially since 2008 global economic decline.. This was not a single bad decision by Greece. German taxpayers still funded Greece after all the retoric.

I do wonder what you have in mind regarding Greece not being in the EU as somehow financially better.. The IMF is on the web with hundreds of instances of recovery following IMF loans... This global agency was intended to support third world countries struggling to establish themselves ... It was not really formed to bailout major players with poor fiscal disipline... Checkout the many stories of success in Latin America. Remember, the IMF did not come to Greece... Greece when to the IMF... Exactly where would Greece have gone before May 19th if not the IMF..? Beggers should not be choosey...

I appologize for any insult from comments... Comments about Africans and Greeks were not racist... they are observed and cultural in nature....intended to draw analogy to behaviours...huge difference.
22:38 May 30, 2010 by swoki
First of all, as I said, Greece f*cked up big time and I'm not here to apologise on behalf of an entire nation. Discussing what Greece should have done in the past 12 years is a bit irrelevant. As irrelevant as comparing how big a f*ck-up Greece's one was to the one the German government pulled off the last few months. It almost sounds like the point you're trying to make is that Merkel should have responded positively earlier but it's ok since Greece had been naughty. And that's a bit childish. All Merkel achieved through all this is the interest at which Greece is now *borrowing* money (it's not like it is for free) to be much higher than it could have been 2-3 months ago.

And all this Bild-talk about the German taxpayers' money is a bit low. This is money invested, not money lost. Germany was selling Greece Eurofighters while negotiating the bail-out. If anything, Greece is the victim here (of its very own stupidity and inadequacy, among other things), not Germany.

Regarding the IMF success stories, could you please be a bit more specific? To be honest my idea of IMF having a severely negative impact on the economy of almost any country it has loaned to was a bit vague. So, before I started typing this I did some - arguably superficial - research about the IMF and Latin America. All I could find were countries that are still crippled: Bolivia, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, and the list goes on. On the other hand, countries like Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela, each one in its own way, are good examples of why staying away from the IMF is a wise thing to do. Chile appears to be the only "success story", and a pretty popular one, but its economy took decades to recover, billions of dollars had been lost in interest, and many people are still not convinced of whether this success was actually due to the IMF's contribution.

Since you wonder what I have in mind regarding Greece not being a member of the EMU - not the EU - I would encourage you to read about the way Argentina handled a similar crisis about 10 years ago.

Negative, generalised comments about entire ethnic groups - calling nations beggers being one of them - is quite racist in nature.
02:43 May 31, 2010 by Eastard

There remains a disconnect between you and I that is a good example of the basic problem with Greece....I promote taking responsibility for results and you preach knowing whom to blame. The historical performance of Greece towards the current problem is extremely important to those outside Greece. You minimize it. The dithering of Germany on providing a blank check bailout of Greece was wise considering Greece's performance/ attitude AND considering there is a growing global depression. You convey it was Germany's fault that Greece got higher costs... They truely have no obligation here.... This mess was 100% Greek... I suggest it was wise for the IMF to bail Greece out at the last minute when no other creditor would touch Greek debt.... and you suggest it is bad for the country.. I ask you... bad compared to what...? Greece was not forced to use the IMF were they,,? I thought there was no one else interested in their debt...In the real world performance and reputation are a key determinants to loan rates all over the globe.

You continue to make the case I stated about the Greek national sport ... Complaining... You can only learn if you listen...

I'm done with this column but look forward to other articles on this topic.
09:45 May 31, 2010 by swoki
You would have been right about me complaining and not taking responsibility, if:

* I hadn't been repeating that we messed up big time and yeah we did mess up a lot worse than the German government has the last few months. This column was about the German govermnent's decisions the last few months, and I thought we should stay at this.

* I wasn't providing alternative solutions to the problem. You seem to have completely ignored my comment about the Argentinian crisis 10 years ago.

However I do agree about the disconnect between us. You seem to be such a faithful follwer of the IMF dogma, that *you* are the one that fails to listen. I stated very clearly what would have been better than the IMF. It's amazing how you reduce valid arguments to "complaining" and not even bother commenting on them.
05:18 June 1, 2010 by wenddiver
Look at the posts here. Amazing the amount of stuff being cenored out. Germany is apparently still having a little problem with the whole free speech thing. Better read quickly before comrade Prufrock hits the Report Abuse button.

The NYT is the extreme left in the US. The Hope and Change crowd will be gone soon enough.
14:12 June 1, 2010 by cobalisk
The NYT is not the extreme left in the U.S. Not even close.

Perhaps a proper understanding regarding free speech is warranted. There are numerous restrictions on "free speech" in the US as well as most other countries. Also, please bear in mind that most appeals regarding restricted speech are centered around public spaces or theoretical public places (TV, the press, etc).

Private locations have considerably more leeway regarding speech. A clothing store in the U.S. can eject a person simply for foul language, for example. Another example, not in the US but in general is the internet, If, the moderators at The Local deem a post as abusive or in excess of the terms of use they can delete it without impugning free speech.

Free speech does not mean 'freedom to incite anger' or 'freedom to hurl ridiculous generalizations' it means that most (but not all) speech is respected and permitted if properly self-moderated.

The last 4 words are the most important when on the internet.

Want your posts to be left alone? Then self-moderate them.
19:54 June 1, 2010 by thebagel

You know, for complaining about hate-mongering you have the most hateful post on here, but that's not the topic.

On the topic, as the other posters have pointed out, the NYT is dying. So I don't think it's fair to claim it as a mouthpiece for America or really hardly anyone. Their numbers just don't point to that. As an American who also lives in Germany, I have no problem with them not helping out Greece. It's their money. Why shouldn't they choose what they do with it? Who are we to tell them to do something with their money?
00:11 June 2, 2010 by Prufrock2010
bagel --

Please specifically point out my "hateful" post.

I never suggested that the New York Times was the mouthpiece for America or anyone. I merely pointed out that it has some superb journalists and columnists. You can agree or disagree with the columnists, which I often do, but I recognize their intelligence and writing skills. As for the journalists, check their facts before suggesting that they are biased. Facts are facts.

With regard to this discussion, the article referenced a criticism that was directed to the NYT editorial questioning the actions of Germany within a wider EU in a time of an economic crisis involving Greece. The editorial questioned Germany's position vis-a-vis the European Union and its own interests. That is a valid question, whether or not you or I believe that Germany should have opted not to help Greece and thereby veto the bailout. Its validity is rooted in the fact that the planet is economically interdependent. Thus my observation that the NYT was acting responsibly to comment on it, notwithstanding the nature of the comment.

So if you'd like to discuss this rationally instead of accusing me of hate-mongering, be my guest.
19:01 June 3, 2010 by amphioxus
The New York Times? What credibility has that? Ignore.
19:49 June 3, 2010 by Major B
@ Prufrock2010 - You are "the man", or "woman". Like your points of view. We'll both keep standing up to the "right wing kooks". Am sure glad I wasn't in Europe during the Bush-Cheney years. Would have been hard to look my many friends in the eye without being ashamed at the policies of my great country. Still can't believe so many people are taken in by the Limbaughs, Becks, Hannity's, and that damn Fox news.
05:35 June 4, 2010 by pmach
I know The New York Times is facing painful cutbacks these days, but putting a Bild story through Google translate is no basis for an inflammatory editorial.

No need to say more about the NYT's hit piece than what was said above.

They screwed up and deserve the criticism. Poor job on their part and I did read the article.

The reason media is failing to make the grade, falling margins and revenues is perhaps something to do with the garbage propaganda they put out. After all why pay to read a paper when you now have to qualify everything you read on the internet to get the real story. The paper media is dying and for good reason. By the way some of the best investigative reporters today can be found on the net.
18:34 June 4, 2010 by Major B
Geez, all this high mindedness. As if there aren't virulent anti-American comments in German print media every week. I'm told that was daily several years ago and the anti-Americanism is pretty evident from the commentors in this media.

It's a bet that ther more Germans who are able to read English than there are Americans whocan read German(ah, if there were just a few more votes in the early American Congress)

I hate to say this but it is pretty obvious that the intent of the above article is a dig at the religious affiliation of many of the Times writers and some of the commentors above have said as much.
02:16 June 5, 2010 by authun
The whole early Congress thing is an urban legend; according to the internet. :)
10:18 June 6, 2010 by Jbjorling
So much anti-Americanism, so little time.

I personally can't wait until America is no longer the world's only superpower...then it will harder to take pot shots at us.

And, for the record, the NYT and Washington Post remain America's best newspapers. If you want proof, simply look up the current and past winners of the Pulitzer Prize in Journalism.

As for Bild, it is the most circulated paper in Europe and the 6th most sold paper in the world, which, in my opinion, says more about Germans than it does about the NYT. That's right, MORE GERMANS READ BILD, a tabloid with boobs featured on every frontpage than ANY OTHER PAPER. So much for the "educated" Übermenschen looking down their noses at us.
00:46 June 8, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Major B --

Thanks for the support. The (distinctly American) right wing seems to try to dominate the discussions around here, using the same shout-down, inflammatory tactics as Fox News. What a coincidence! Their respect for facts is equally .... shall we say ... nonexistent.
02:31 June 8, 2010 by grazhdanin
how inventive - an article in which appears the term 'crisis' - please post more of those
18:29 June 8, 2010 by Major B
@ Prufrock2010 --

You got it and please keep standing firm. RWFKD ranks right up there along with The Plague/the Black Death, The Worldwide Flu Epidemic in 1919, heart disease, malaria, AIDS/HIV, and the many other epidemics mankind faces. Many nations have been brought to ruin by RWFKD and you can understand why the Germans and Japanese are so vigilant in keeping it under control. The disease has long been a problem in the U.S. and because it wasn't controlled after 9/11/01, the Iraq conflict got started. Yes, let the knowing unite in ridding the world of Right Wing Fanatical Kook Disease. There is a cure and rational thinking, equanimity and good will toward all is part of it.
12:34 March 18, 2013 by Bluebell2013
Naiive and flawed indeed - anyone who supports Bild's repulsive comments, that is! Important debts are never forgotten and never discharged - therefore, German reparations for the destruction of the civilised world (you know, that time they like to forget, when they were all busily masturbating over pictures of a mono-testicular psychotic with a Charlie Chaplin moustache,) should nicely cover the Greek defecit - and everyone else's come to that. One of the many problems with Germans, which, no matter how we try to be tolerant, makes them so universally disliked, is that they seem to forget - Empires cost money! Now, we all know that in the Imperial heyday, Germany was too busy swigging beer and arguing about the correct size of a dachshund, to actually go out there and build an Empire, but those of us who did, saw them as a responsibility, not just a cash-cow, or somewhere to develop skin-cancer and f##k the local waiters. If the EU isn't an Empire, then Germany,understand that each one of your citizens is only equal to a citizen of any other EU nation, so just shut up and pay up, pro rata, per capita - which means your euros will be helping smaller countries. If the EU is an Empire, then it is your responsibility to sort it out or bankrupt yourselves trying. Get it? Meanwhile, remember that from Gtreece sprang democracy, while Germany's most memorable legacy is the holocaust. Therefore, most people prefer Greece. Live with it. In about a thousand years, you might have outweighed your vile past with some good deeds..... you could start by bailing out GREECE.
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Mysterious German U-boat wreckage found off Scotland
Photo: ScottishPower

First World War U-boat "attacked by sea monster” thought to be found off Scottish coast.

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