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Catholic child abuse scandal widens

DDP/The Local · 27 Feb 2010, 11:49

Published: 27 Feb 2010 11:49 GMT+01:00

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Barnabas Bögle, abbot of the Bavarian Ettal Benedictine monastery, and Maurus Kraß, head of the school and prior there, both resigned this week after admitting that regulations on reporting accusations of abuse had not been followed.

The number of former and current students at Ettal who have made accusations of abuse has risen to 20. It has also been claimed that claims were made in 2003, during a class reunion, but that nothing was done.

The monastery at St Ottilien also reported it had received a letter accusing a teacher there of abuse during the 1960s. A letter was also sent to the local paper, the Abendzeitung accusing a priest in the former seminary of having taken nude pictures of boys there during the late 1960s.

Karlheinz Knebel, general vicar of the Augsburg bishopric, called for the accusations to be thoroughly investigated. He said it was about the credibility of the Catholic Church.

That credibility is at rock bottom, according to two surveys published on Saturday, which showed that only 30 percent of Germans consider the Church as honest.

The surveys, both conducted by Omni Quest for the Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger and the Frankfurter Rundschau newspapers, suggested that even among Catholics, less than half considered the church honest and true-to-life.

Christian Weisner, one of the initiators of the Catholic grassroots reform group Wir sind Kirche, said, “The catastrophic results are not only down to the current situation, but an expression of a long-term and terrible loss of trust.

“The Church ignores the experience of people in their every day lives. Families are prayed for, but not single parents or single people.”

The surveys showed only 20 percent believing that the Church would help to investigate the abuse claims, with 68 percent saying they did not think it would help.

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Respected Catholic theologian Hans Küng wrote on Saturday that the celibacy rule played a rule in the abuse of children and young people in Catholic schools, and called for clerics to be allowed to marry.

Writing in the Süddeutsche Zeitung he said the celibacy rule contradicted the bible, quoting from Corinthians, “Due to the temptation of illicit sexual relations, every man should have his woman, and every woman her man.”

He said many problems currently dogging the Church could be solved by allowing clerics to marry, and allowing women to be ordained. “The bishops know this,” he wrote. “but they should also have the courage to talk about it. They would have the vast majority of the public and also the Catholics behind them.”

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16:02 February 27, 2010 by lordwilliams629
I'll say this again, the catholic church has to start letting it's preist get married. These homosexuals are joining the preisthood in many cases to hide their sexual prefrence, then of course when they get the chance they sexually attack young boys,then society says we are also supposed to beleive that a child molester is not a homosexual even if he rapes another boy.
16:31 February 27, 2010 by wxman
Right you are, Lordwilliams. Allowing them to shelve the celibacy tradition would go a long way to minimizing these events. Won't eliminate it, but will profoundly reduce it.
17:44 February 27, 2010 by KyleHawkins
Wow. Am I hearing you right? I mean far right? "These homosexuals".... "When they get the chance they sexually attack young boys". I am sorry but someone has to set you straight. First of all, allowing their priests to marry would not affect homosexuals in the Catholic church one way or another, as the Catholic church is 100% against gay marriage. Secondly, the vast majority of sexual abuse is perpetrated by heterosexuals. Thirdly your tone and attack on the gay community is unwarranted, homophobic, and way off base. The culprit here is CLEARLY the Catholic church clergy who were abusive, AS WELL AS those in the clergy who have violated both policy and law to protect criminal behavior, regardless of who perpetrated the crime. All criminals should be punished and we should avoid at all costs blaming and labeling the gay community as blanket perpetrators of crime and sexual predators. Shame on you.
19:23 February 27, 2010 by michael4096

You are wrong. In addition to the large number of good points made by others when you begin these homophobic rants, note...

1. Sexual preference need not be hidden in germany and getting a public job like priest would hinder homosexuals and not help.

2. Rape has little to do with sex and an awful lot to do with power.
19:34 February 27, 2010 by lordwilliams629
KyleHawkins, let me get something straight I'm not for gay marriage, "NO WAY" what I mean is let male priest marry other females, so that maybe less homosexuals will join the priesthood therefore cutting down on the number of young boys that would get raped. And if the vast majority of sex abuse is commited by hetrosexual's than I won't dispute you on that, it makes sense. But 100% of all the men who rape little boy's are still 100% homosexuals, how else can you define them, they still like other males in sexual way, it's just that they prefer little boys. And I never for one minute said that all homosexuals are child molesters, I mean it looks obvious from your comments that you like men and not boys, and your a homosexual, so see I understand. Oh and I also agree with you on the fact that the catholic church is to blame for trying to hide this stuff, like I said keep these (Queens) homosexuals out of the priesthood and alot of this would go away.
00:20 February 28, 2010 by bernie1927
Just before you accuse me of being a homosexual. I am definitely heterosexual and an atheist to boot and I can not understand the church and its doctrines. One day you are supposed to eat only fish on Fridays and the next day this concept gets reversed. Who came up with this unnatural celibacy idea? And then these priests, who know nothing - or should know nothing - about marriage, become marriage counselors. Capital idea! As for their criminal behavior with boys, I think, because only boys can be choir boys the priests haven't had a chance to get a crack at the girls, right? When I was 3 years old, I believed in the tooth fairy, and then the Easter bunny, Santa Claus, the stork, the sandman etc. etc. It didn't take me long to put these silly ideas aside. It did take a little longer to see through the rest of the fairy tales.
03:05 February 28, 2010 by 1FCK_1FCK
Hey bernie1927 - you wouldn't happen to be a homosexual, would you?
04:35 February 28, 2010 by lordwilliams629
So michael4069 are you just trying to take the homosexual side of this out, by claiming that it's only about power. Look I know that rape can be about power in some case's, but it still don't take away the fact that these men who rape these little boys also have a sexual appetite for them. Look you might be a homosexual I don't know, but don't stick up for these animals that rape these young boys, if you do it shows what kind of an animal you yourself can be, these young boys are life time victims, they don't need people like you and kyle going around sticking up for the perpetrators cause you worry they might give people in your community of homosexuals a bad name. Just remember that old saying "it is what is"
06:36 February 28, 2010 by Prufrock2010
And what it is, is homophobic hate-mongering which has nothing to do with the catholic church's odious history of covering up the crimes of its clergy.
09:59 February 28, 2010 by biker hotel harz
Small boys, clergymen, hassocks, alone in the vestry? Are you kidding?
11:16 February 28, 2010 by michael4096
it is what is
@lordwilliam. Yes. It is what is. But, unless you identify 'what it is' correctly, you can't fight it correctly. So, if it is a power problem one must tackle that and not go off on some sexuality tangent.

Whether your views on priests or homosexuality are right or wrong (and I think you are wrong) is actually irrelevant to the underlying issue.
13:44 February 28, 2010 by Talonx
I find it morally reprehensible and disgusting that @lordwilliam thinks of little boys as sexual beings. What the Sh#t is wrong with you.

Rape IS about power. If you would read up on it or talk to anyone that has been raped they will tell you the same thing.

Pedophilia IS rape of children.

Homosexuality IS love od same sex.

How you people connect Pedophilia and Homosexuality is beyond me and probably the result of either a low IQ or lack of critical thinking.
17:36 February 28, 2010 by lordwilliams629
So Michael if this isn't about some homosexual's in the priesthood who enjoy raping young boys then just what is the underlying issue? And Talnox I find you to be the pig of the world, since when did I ever make any comment about children as being sexual beings? quite the contrary it's people in your homosexual community that look at these poor inocent young boys as being the objects of your sexual appetite.

I guess I just have to laugh at you homosexuals who try to come in here and claim that the rape of a young boy by a man is only based on power. These young boys are lifetime victims who in some cases end up killing themselfs, and all you homosexuals can do is come in here and try to shift blame away from the true perpetrators so that those in your community of homosexuals don't get their reputations tarnished. Your no differnt then those clergy in the church who try and hide this crime, in the mean while young boys still get victimized and all you people can worry about is the reputation of your sexual preference. I will also say this I mysef was raised catholic and my children go to catholic schools, so I have no bone to pick with catholics, but unlike some of you I like to call things for what it is, in other words the truth.
18:24 February 28, 2010 by Talonx
lordwilliams, you said, "But 100% of all the men who rape little boy's are still 100% homosexuals, how else can you define them, they still like other males in sexual way, it's just that they prefer little boys.". Sex can only be had between two sexual beings, rape of course is different, you confuse the issue, obviously. Regardless, it's clear that you think pedo's are having 'sex' with little boys and that this is legitimately a sexual act which is the only way Pedo's could also be defined as Homosexuals.

RAPE is only based on power, any sexual act is secondary to that.

Finally, being a Catholic, lordwilliams, it's obvious why you wouldn't have a problem with the church. Try putting the blame for pedophilia on pedophiles (UNRELATED TO HOMOSEXUALITY), try putting the blame for covering up investigations on the church, try to read up on the subject or volunteer at a battered women's shelter. I don't doubt that you care about those that are victims and those that have survived the deviant lustings of these catholic priests, but I don't think you'll have any clue what so ever until you actuall participate in the community of people that deal with these problems.
10:35 March 1, 2010 by michael4096
I'll just underline something Talonx has already said.

Most people get sexual gratification from sharing sex but some get it other ways. Some from violence and some from power. For some, just having the power to do anything you want to another human being is sexually exciting and they get off by proving they have the power by doing the most degrading thing they can think of. Yes. It's sick but it has nothing to do with sex or sexuality. To these people, it doesn't really matter if the human being held in their power is a boy or a girl.

So why, you say, is it always priests and boys?

If we assume the priesthood has the same proportion of child-rapists as the general community (no evidence against this) and we assume the proportion of homosexuals is also the same (again, nothing to say otherwise) then the proportion of hetero-sexual rapists must be far higher than the number of homosexual rapists. So why are their fewer raped girls than boys?

As a catholic, you know the answer - access. The church is well aware of what happens to girls under the control of priests and go to extra-ordinary lengths to make sure priests have no access to girls.

So, if your kicks come from power and there are only boys available...
14:39 March 1, 2010 by gagaou
Rape is a crime no matter who does it and to whom. These guys should be locked up. And clearly, having priests with a wife and children, in one word a true family, would clearly help.
15:38 March 1, 2010 by lordwilliams629
Oh no Talnox, Let me make something clear I DO have a problem with the church, my point in telling you that I was raised catholic is just to let you know that OUTSIDE of this issue I had no underlying issues with catholics, but the people in the catholic church who hide this need to also answer for it, and are no differnt then the animals who have done this.

What you and the rest of these homosexuals need to quit doing, is to quit trying to claim that this only a crime of power and not a crime that is coming from the homosexual community, cause it is, yes I will agree rape in some cases is about power, but it is also to feed one's sexual appetite and the sexual appetite of these molesters is that of a male, only these homosexuals like little boys as opposed to grown men and to say these men are not also homosexuals, says that every other person who knows what a homosexual is must be dum.
16:37 March 1, 2010 by Talonx
Lordwilliams, sorry I misunderstood about the catholic thing. Regardless I think we agree about people having to answer for their crimes.

As far as your unconventional definitions of 'pedophilia' and 'homosexuality' go, you will find little support from any research or researcher to back your claim that they are in any way connected. If they were connected in the way that you propose, and I believe your proposal is, 'homosexuality leads to or can lead to pedophilia especially concerning men and boys,' then you must also necessarily state, 'heterosexuality leads to or can lead to pedophilia especially concerning men and girls'. The logic underlying both statements is equivalent and in both cases equivalently rediculous.

This is a pedophilia-in-the-catholic-church problem not a homosexuals-in-the-catholic-church problem and to say that it is will lead you to a goose chase and away from the main point.
17:12 March 1, 2010 by michael4096
@Talonx - Drop it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
18:48 March 1, 2010 by Talonx
Michael, Then why not just shoot it outright, instead of lettting it die a painful death of thirst?
21:40 March 1, 2010 by lordwilliams629
Ok michael first let me ask you a simple question, What is the sexual prefrence of a Man who rapes a young boy, Is he heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual? (he has to be one or the other and if he prefers little boys How can he not be a homosexual even its for reasons of power as you say?

Now Talnox, Yes anyone who rapes young children boy or girl is also a pediphile I think we can both agree on that. But that pediphile also has sexual prefrence, and in my early comments you see where I stand on that. Yes some male pediphiles only prefer females, are they homosexuals "no" are they just as sick as any other pediphile homosexual or not of course they are.

But what we have is a problem in the catholic church, and that is priest that rape young boys, and why is that it's because homosexuals join the catholic priesthood more than any other church and that is just a known fact. Another question to you michael Ted Bundy was not a pedphile but what do you think his sexual prefrence was, and yes I think alot of what he did was for power, but what was his sexual appetite, he only raped and killed females, not only that he only liked dark haired females, are you going to tell me that in his acts of power he didn't have a sexual preference?
00:20 March 2, 2010 by Talonx
lordwilliams, as long as your willing to admit that homosexuality is no different than heterosexuality when it comes to pedophilia. I still think it's more than a bit off to conflate normal sexual preference with raping children. The only homo and heterosexual men I know are in relationships with other adults. I still see pedophilia as something else (again, as do all who research this stuff), maybe there is something like female-child or male-child pedophilia, but I wouldn't think it resembles a normal adult relationship in any way, be it homo or heterosexual.

And, following the logic of others on this board, if the catholic church were not only to allow marriage of priests, but, as well, gay marriage, then would you consider the problem solved. I guess I still don't get such lines of reasoning, because I don't think that would solve the situation, I'm pretty sure that the pedophiles would go on being pedophiles.
13:42 March 2, 2010 by michael4096
@lorwilliams - you are going around in circles, the question was already asked and answered

@Talonx - to save bullets
14:24 March 2, 2010 by lordwilliams629
God talnox, did I say that homosexualality is the same is heterosexual, "no" I said a pedophile is a pedophile but even a pedophile has a sexual preference and in the catholic church most pedophile's seem to be homosexuals. Talnox it is also a known fact that homosexuals have joined the priesthood for many years, in fact it wasn't that long ago the catholic church was putting their priest into some special classes to try and get them to quit being a homosexual, I find that as joke but that shows that they did a problem with it, that went all the way up to popes office by the way.

And you michael you proved nothing thats why your backing off, cause your bullets, in your case blanks have ran out. All you tried to do with your words is shift blame away from those in the homosexual community, your no differnt then those in the church who tried to hide this for their own personal reasons. Which in my opinion makes you the same kind of animal as the perpetrators of this beastly crime against children, your a supporter and an enabler.
08:48 March 3, 2010 by Talonx
Ha, fair enough, Michael, fair enough. :)
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