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Teens beat man with club in Munich S-Bahn

DDP/DPA/The Local · 25 Jan 2010, 17:05

Published: 25 Jan 2010 17:05 GMT+01:00

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The group of 14 to 16-year-olds allegedly threatened the man with a wooden club while on the train on Saturday evening. When he had a “bad feeling” and tried to take the weapon from a 14-year-old boy, the group attacked, beating him about the head and kicking him on the ground repeatedly, police said.

The man suffered a head wound and major bruising to his face.

Police arrested the group involved in the beating shortly after they fled the scene at the next stop, but they were released after being questioned. They remain under investigation for assault.

Meanwhile over the weekend a 23-year-old in the Bavarian city of Fürth was also the victim of a beating by young U-Bahn passengers when he tried to protect other riders from their attempts to extort money.

Munich public transportation has been the site of several vicious beatings in recent years.

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Last September a 50-year-old Dominik Brunner was beaten to death by two teens while trying to protect a group of children from the bullies. He was posthumously honoured for his courage with a Federal Cross of Merit awarded by German President Horst Köhler.

In January 2010, two Kosovar cousins were sentenced to prison for the July 1996 beating of a 23-year-old carpenter at an U-Bahn station after he asked them to stop smoking.

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16:28 January 25, 2010 by Henckel
German transit services are starting to sound like New York subways of the 1960s and 1970s -- a regular war zone.
16:48 January 25, 2010 by dcgi
@Henckel: Well not really, when you think about the amount of people using the public transport systems in such big cities its pretty safe statistically speaking.

I'm just glad to hear that members of the public are willing to get stuck in to help a fellow commuters from such intimidation.
17:22 January 25, 2010 by berlinski
So, we need to take our own weapons onto U Bahns now to provide security for each other?
17:23 January 25, 2010 by auslanderus
Excuse me, kids beat an adult up on the train, caught by the police and then released....daaaa. Now the kids and go out and do it again, super. I guess the police have to much to do and not put the kids in a jail for a while as well as there parents. It does not happen very often here in Germany, ok, do you want to be the next person beaten or maybe even killed by a bunch of kids untill someone wakes up and understands there is a problem.
17:42 January 25, 2010 by Frenemy
@post #3:

I was wondering just how long it would take for comments about this to start revolving around personal firearms/concealed-carry legislation :-D
17:49 January 25, 2010 by dcgi
Yeah, at no point did my comment hint towards carrying weapons on the U-Bahns for security for each other... but then maybe it's a troll.
19:28 January 25, 2010 by michael4096
as someone who's wife travels the muc s-bahn late, I'm certainly against bad things happening

however, c'mon, its probably the safest urban transport system in the safest country around. I'd prefer her of the s-bahn to the paris metro, london tube or new york subway
21:42 January 25, 2010 by LancashireLad

You can't compare any German S- or U-Bahn with the London Underground; in terms of number of stations, passengers carried and frequency of trains.

Safest transport system? Two vicious attacks in one weekend; One guy killed for showing the bravery to stand up to kids who have never been taught the meaning of respect for others; An old man attacked by two youths also in the Munich S-Bahn system (can't remember if he died). Yeah, that's safe.

You see those guys with the red berets on the transport system here all the time. I never saw anything like that once in all the 5 years I was living in London - neither did I hear of anything like the recent events here. You go to the UK and you will still not see an armed bobby on the beat. They're still not needed. Safest country around? Yeah.

If you are going to come out with comments like that - back them up with facts.
23:11 January 25, 2010 by derExDeutsche
both UK and D have young punks who assault innocent commuters on the public transport. Now, I've seen a lot more glorification on the internet (phone cam recorded punching/kicking/assaulting) coming from the UK. so, I am going to say the DB is safer.

You arm all Citizens over 45 with a .45. done dada, no more problems.
00:44 January 26, 2010 by pepsionice
At some point....a couple of guys are going to mingle amongst the passengers and invite an attack by these punks....and then the punks go to the ground with broken arms and legs. I think eventually.....even the Nazi guys around Germany will start to come out and attack these punks.
05:24 January 26, 2010 by freechoice
I wonder if violent video games and access to porn has got anything to do with teenage aggression nowadays!

Or simply parental neglect or physically abused when they were young!

Now the society has to bear the social costs of such actions!
09:29 January 26, 2010 by LancashireLad
Violent video games may have an effect but the parents, and to a lesser extent society in general, have the most effect. These children have never been taught respect. Possibly they've never been shown any, but they certainly don't have any for anyone else.

Attacking the symptom won't stop the problem. Get to the root of the problem. If children are taught respect for other (yes, *outside* the family too) then that problem, and many similar ones, is solved.
09:51 January 26, 2010 by derExDeutsche
@ freechoice

'I wonder if violent video games and access to porn has got anything to do with teenage aggression nowadays!'

then how would I get it up enough to write on this board?
09:53 January 26, 2010 by Deutschguy
The article doesn't mention alcohol. However, we all know kids get beer and hard liquor to drink, even though they're under age.

Some of these kids, at least the ringleaders, probably see Dad, and maybe Mom, at home downing five and six beers every night. Then the parental fighting and yelling starts over minor frustrations that would otherwise be handled calmly. Who knows if lowered inhibitions at home even lead to physical altercations, which the kids witness or are even victims of?

My bet is that they drink alcohol and are simply repeating behavior patterns they see at home. Aggression and violence as a way to express frustration and even just disagreement egged on by peer group leaders justifies the group's piling on. Think Lord of the Flies.
10:06 January 26, 2010 by abemarch
LancashireLad is right. It starts in the schools. Teachers are not respected by the students primarily because teachers can't enforce discipline. Parents will not permit a teacher to lay a hand on their precious kids. When I was a kid, teachers used a paddle or a strap. My parents told me that if I got a whipping in school I would get one twice as bad when I got home. We respected our parents and our teachers. We called them Mr. and Mrs., Sir and Madam. Now we're down to first names in our society that emulates the familiarity of first names in the States. Familiarity breads contempt.

Kids will be kids and will play pranks, but there's a line that must be drawn at home and in the school.
04:30 January 27, 2010 by CalBill
Trust me, you don't want to end up like the U.S. with gang maggots running your subway system. Put armed plain clothes guards with "shoot to kill" orders on the subway cars. If you have a trash problem, remove it.
03:41 January 28, 2010 by Billiby
A beatdown??? Again???! That is so sad.... what's wrong with people??!! :(
12:36 January 28, 2010 by Cathyie
I too, agree with LancashireLad. Teenagers will always be teenagers, and unless they find a constructive outlet for their raging hormones, will take it out on others.

"Respect" however, especially respect for elders, seems to have totally evaporated into thin air, as kids and teenagers continue to acquire more power, more rights and more freedom.

Respect is a value that is supposed to be taught at home, by parents, from early childhood onwards. If it's not, the consequences are obvious.
13:53 January 28, 2010 by LancashireLad
As a Daddy of two little children, that is exactly what I meant and what I am trying to do. In that "respect" I agree fully with Cathyie.

I agree with abemarch that school also has a role to play but it cannot replace the none-negotiable and none-avoidable role of the parent. Each should (be able to) support the other.

The final fact is that society also has a large impact on children. They learn mostly by copying - with small children it really is "monkey see, monkey do" - so what they see outside the home is also going to affect their behaviour.

BTW, respect for elders does evaporate when the elder members of society show little respect towards those from whom they demand respect. That's exactly the point - respect cannot be demanded, it has to be earned, and the best way to earn it is to show it,
17:19 February 1, 2010 by Frenemy
I'm only 26 but I can tell you with absolute certainty:

1. our elders don't "deserve" respect....they've f#king well earned it (with every drop of blood)

2. I strive every goddamned day that I could amount to even a FRACTION of what "my elders" did on Omaha Beach or Iwo Jima for eg (I would die happy if I could do 1/10 of what those great men did)
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