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Father of Winnenden school shooter charged with manslaughter

AFP/The Local · 27 Nov 2009, 16:16

Published: 27 Nov 2009 16:16 GMT+01:00

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Tim Kretschmer's father, a successful local businessman, legally kept more than a dozen weapons at his house, one of which - a 9mm Beretta pistol - was used to deadly effect by his son in the picturesque southwestern town of Winnenden in March.

Prosecutors said his father, "negligently made possible the actions of his son in that he stored the weapons ... in such a way that Tim could get his hands on a gun and a large amount of ammunition."

He has been charged with 15 counts of manslaughter, 13 counts of grievous bodily harm and breaking gun laws, the prosecution statement added.

On March 11, the masked teen burst into his former school and picked off nine fellow pupils and three teachers, mostly with expert execution-style shots to the head.

A further three people lost their lives in a dramatic chase and shoot-out with police before, cornered, Kretschmer turned the gun on himself.

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It was the worst school shooting in Germany since April 2002, when 19-year-old Robert Steinhäuser, a disgruntled student from Erfurt in eastern Germany who had been expelled, killed 16 people and then himself.

AFP/The Local (news@thelocal.de)

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20:20 November 27, 2009 by gretelkettenbaum
This is way over the top.How could Dad know, the Son went nuts.
21:21 November 27, 2009 by trule
15 people dead because he did not lock his gun up, does not even go close to far enough.
22:48 November 27, 2009 by RaptorX
he still didnt KILL the people, you cant charge him with manslaughter you should charge him with negligence or something of the sort... it is like saying that he actually went and kill the people himself which of course didnt happen.
15:16 November 28, 2009 by garryq
If the father's own failures directly enabled the son to murder, then the father is guilty of manslaughter. It's called responsibility.
17:25 November 28, 2009 by lordwilliams629
This is stupid, its not like the 17 year old is a little boy.

This injustice reminds me of what goes on with the justice system in my country. In america you have 18 year olds that will get arrested for having sex with a 16 or 17 year old, because 18 is the legal limit in all states, but yet when a 17 year old gets arrested for murder he's charged as an adult as he should be, but my point is the justice system calls a young person a child such as in this case,when they are saying this adult left these guns out for this 17 year old to get at, so now the 17 year is a child, and this adult who left his guns in a certian placeshould have known better. Yet when this 17 year old goes on trial,surprise surprise he's all of sudden an adult who knew what he was doing when he killed and needs to get an adult punishment. It's come down to one big double standard. When it comes to age I always found it to be one of the more grey areas the justice system can minipulate to their advantage. And the sad thing is the lawyers that are prosecuting this only lose support from the public, when they need the public behind them.
00:28 November 29, 2009 by duckys
Guns either destroy things or kill things... nothing else it can do.... it is not a like a barbie doll or something they were created for these two intentions to kill or to destroy....

In order to even have a gun in your house in Germany is not as it is in the States... Go to the local Walmart fill out paper work... wait two weeks... then here you go... thankyou for shopping at Walmart....

Germany has strict requirments about having guns in the house... They have to be secured properly... and the police are suppose to inspect and ensure that they are.... So my question is... shouldn't the police also be held responsible as well to ensure that the "DAD" is doing the right thing...? It would be interesting to see the log files of how often the police do inspect on the security of the guns in the home?

I do also believe that this is just as well... as the parnet should have never even had the key in the house for the guns... Why was it so important to even have the guns that turned into a weapon?

Charging him with Manslaughter is okay as it bring a larger statement to the public and usuage of weapons and killing each other....
03:58 November 29, 2009 by lordwilliams629
Ducky your just anti gun period, and thats your only beef. And you almost make it sound like getting a gun in america is almost as easy as buying a candie bar, which is BS if you know anything about buying and owning a gun in america you would know that, you also would know that wal-mart no longer sells guns, they only sell the amunition. But because your knowledge of guns in america is only based on assumption I understand why you don't know that. I wonder, if this guy was your brother or freind would you feel the same way, of course

not. See what it comes down to ducky is you really want this guy to go down because he owned guns not cause you feel he did anything wrong. See his only crime whith you is he owned guns. You liberal snake.
15:42 November 29, 2009 by cuznbob
So if these two recently escaped inmates had, or do, kill someone with a pistol, will the state run jail be held liable for hiring a man who helped them escape or possible be held liable for not having a secure enough institution? Doubtful.
10:04 November 30, 2009 by moistvelvet
The father was legally bound to stop other people from getting access to the firearms, and worse ammunition. Therefore he is partly to blame and although it may seem harsh but a charge of mansalughter is perhaps just the shock that all gun owners need to have so that a sporting gun culture can be enjoyed by those responsible and not banned because of idiots.
11:07 November 30, 2009 by YankeeT
So, if the 17-year old had run down a crowd of pedestrians in his father's car during a parade or protest, or in a market square...

Let me see.

Daddy owns the vehicle but left the keys on the kitchen table... therefore they would say of the father that he "negligently made possible the actions of his son in that he stored the ignition key ... in such a way that Tim could get his hands on a vehicle with a full fuel tank."

I don't get it.
14:15 November 30, 2009 by moistvelvet
No because securing access to a car isn't a legal requirement to owning a car, however prerequisit for a WBK is to secure weapons and ammunition at all times and prevent unauthorised access.

Simply hanging keys marked "guns do not touch" next to the safe and a belief that little Timmy is a good quiet kid simply won't do.
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