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Swine flu kills two in Bavaria

The Local · 16 Nov 2009, 17:47

Published: 16 Nov 2009 08:40 GMT+01:00
Updated: 16 Nov 2009 17:47 GMT+01:00

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A 57-year-old and an 18-year-old both passed away in the past week from swine flu complications, Bavarian officials said. The authorities also confirmed suspicions that a 24-year-old woman from Cologne died on November 11 from the virus.

But the man from Thuringia apparently had a heart attack the same day he received his vaccination, the state's Health Ministry said after an autopsy.

The daily Thüringer Allgemeine reported earlier on Monday that officials were concerned the man had had a adverse reaction to the vaccination.

A 65-year-old German woman with a heart condition died last Tuesday only hours after receiving an immunisation for swine flu.

But the heath authorities warn the danger of the spreading H1N1 virus far outweighs concerns about the immunisation. Germany’s Robert Koch Institute has so far recorded 19 deaths caused by at least 60,000 cases of the virus.

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The rate of new infections has accelerated to 15,000 a week, increasing the urgency for vaccinations for particularly for high-risk patients such as pregnant women and children.

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13:06 November 16, 2009 by pcomley
This was in the news because it is news. Doesn't mean it has any basis in fact! How many 55 year old men die every day, how many are apparantly healthy, how many of them had a shot the day before, or ate chicken or sniffed a flower? Wait for the autopsy before jumping to ill informed, hysterical conclusions. I am fed up of such articles being printed without first gathering all the evidence and subjectively evaluating the facts but then that is the job of the press, to sensationalise everything and anything, just so long as you put your hand in your pocket and buy the paper or read the adverts. To hell with the truth and scaring hell out of everyone let's make a profit!
13:57 November 16, 2009 by Celeon
I got my shot of Pandemrix on Saturday and im still alive and well. ;-)

The immune system of each person is different. Some react slow, some fast, some with stronger side effects than others, some without any feelable side effects and yes a small percentage of immune systems overreact and cause strong side effects.

Its like with a allergic reaction to a bee sting. Not everyone who is allergic does automatically die of a single bee sting. The circumstances dictate why one out of 20 bee allergic people dies of a sting.

According to the package leaflet, the most common side effects of the vaccine Pandemrix are : Headache, tireness , fever, joint pain, muscle pain, slight swelling and mild pain in the area were the shot was given (like with all vaccinations)

Some of them can occur and may last for a few days. But its highly unlikely that you get all of them.

The only side effects i felt were the mild headache (and it was really a mild one which did not even require aspirin) , tireness over the weekend and a slight raise in temperature which did not become a real fever.

All of it is gone since today and im feeling great again. :-)

Afterall, the immune system has to react to the deactivated (dead) virus fragments the vaccine consists of.

So if you feel side effects, rest assured that this means the vaccine is doing what it is supposed to do. Provoking your immune system to react and to learn of the protein layout of the swine flu virus. As no really living and reproducing virus is there, your immune system soon stops its measures which make you feel not so well.

But after that not-live fire lesson, it knows how to defeat the enemy and can attack and defeat it immediately should it really show up inside your body. Short, you've become immune. ;-)
14:23 November 16, 2009 by LancashireLad
So what exactly is it that makes this flu different and more deadly than any other variety? I notice that by following the link given earlier to the CDC, this is not explained. If the stats quoted in the article are true then I don't see there being any greater risk of dying from this than from any other strain of flu.

What's more worrying is the possibility that you "might" (please note that word before leaping on your keyboard) die from the vaccine. The CDC does have something in its FAQ about sufferers of egg allergies.

What it doesn't say is if the vaccine packaging states "May contain nuts."
16:30 November 16, 2009 by Celeon
@ LancanshireLad

Thats because of several factors :

- The swineflu virus belongs to the same H1N1 virus sub type family as the spanish flu if 1918 did.

- Like the spanish flu , its unusually virulent and thus spread even faster over the entire world than the spanish flu. Thats mainly because of our modern interconnected world with so many ways to travel.

In 1918, it spread so wide because of the troop movements of ww1.

Also, the usual seasonal flus dont spread that far or fast either.

- In its first wave, the spanish flu equalled the current swine flu pretty much.

A slightly but unusual enhighed rate of mortality among other age groups than the usual very-young/very-old or sick groups but nothing that seemed all too serious.

BUT in its second wave, the spanish flu pratically mutated overnight to a much deadlier form , and new infected and completely healthy mid aged people along with all others suddenly started to die from it. And that in alarming numbers.

In the end , around 50 million people worldwide died and 500 million people got infected in the second and third wave of a flu that did not seem to be that dangerous in the beginning except for its unusal speed and range of spread.

Thats what makes the scientists so uneasy.

Swine flu could easily follow the same path. It does not have to happen but it could happen any day. Nobody can foresee the path of mutation a virus takes as this happens pretty spontaneously.

The potential is there.

Wikipedia has a good article on the spanish flu.
16:27 November 20, 2009 by KerrAvon
Let's keep it simple, always helps to cut through the BS. Who / what do you trust? Big Pharma, Big Government or Mother Nature?

Many Doctors are 'fed' misinformation by the drug manufacturers. Politicians by lobbyists etc. Just look at how many people are on Prozac and all kinds of other stuff. Pharmaceuticals is one of the biggest most profitable businesses globally. making Billions in profit each year. They can stick their Pig Flu shot where the sun don't shine. (but not up mine !)
22:06 November 20, 2009 by Tiwaz
- 4,000 Americans have been killed by H1N1 swine flu.

- seasonal flu kills 36,000 Americans

- Aspirin kills 400% more people than H1N1 swine flu

- H1N1 swine flu may be safer than aspirin.

- you are ten times more likely to die in a car accident this year than be killed by swine flu.

- Over 400,000 Americans die each year from smoking

- 100,000 Americans die every year from adverse reactions to FDA-approved prescription drugs.

- if you get a swine flu vaccine injection on the same day you buy a lotto ticket, you have a greater chance of buying a winning lotto ticket than being saved by the swine flu vaccine

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