• Germany's news in English
 

Conservatives reverse on gay marriage equality

The Local · 23 Feb 2013, 13:45

Published: 23 Feb 2013 13:45 GMT+01:00

The paper said the CDU’s parliamentary group in the Bundestag is preparing to move for equal rights for gay couples. This comes after a long debate last year over how to treat gay couples when it comes to taxes and adoption rights.

The reversal was praised by Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Scharrenberger, a politician from the Free Democratic Party, the junior coalition partner in the federal government. She has pushed for equal treatment for some time.

Michael GrosseBrömer, the CDU parliamentary group leader, said that given “the clear tendencies of legal judgments of the Constitutional Court we should act as quickly as possible to allow for the required constitutional equality.”

He said the CDU Bundestag group is now discussing how to do that and talks at the coalition level will follow.

Should the CDU change its position it would pave the way for putting gay marriage on the same level as heterosexual ones, including providing for favorable tax laws and adoption rights, the paper said.

The FDP as well as opposition parties have long called for equal treatment of gay and heterosexual marriages before the law.

“I welcome that the CDU is open to a modern social policy,” Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger told the paper.

“My ministry has a bill for the full adoption ready and waiting in the wings,” she added. The bill is a reaction to a recent decision by the Constitutional Court which gives marriage and domestic partnerships the same legal rights when it comes to adoption.

The ruling furthermore calls for laws applying to marriage partners to read that they apply to marriage partners or life partners.

Merkel has not been an ardent proponent for gay marriage equality in the CDU, but her party has been less opposed to giving same-sex couples the same rights as heterosexual ones than its more conservative Bavarian sister party the CSU.

The Local/mw

The Local (news@thelocal.de)

Your comments about this article

14:29 February 23, 2013 by lucksi
"giving gay couples the same rights as homosexual ones"

Hehe, really?
14:44 February 23, 2013 by rosenthalenglish
What rights will children have who do not want to be adopted by homosexual or lesbian couples?Will they have any rights?Thought not!
14:59 February 23, 2013 by ChrisRea
Indeed, they will miss the same rights that the children who do not want to be adopted by heterosexual couples do not have.
18:37 February 23, 2013 by MrMiyagi10301
Lol, indeed ChrisRea. In addition, they gain the benefit of possibly not being adopted by provincial, small-minded, bigoted Neanderthals who appear to not know that a space is required after the end of a sentence (two, in MLA American English). I smell a Tea Party.
19:47 February 23, 2013 by pepsionice
About twelve years ago....in my German village....we had a couple separate, and divorce....the kids staying with the wife. Well....about a year goes by and there's a parent teachers meeting at the local school, which the German wife forces me to attend. So we get there early and sit in the back where I come to notice this divorcee gal who now enters with her new 'girlfriend'. The 'girlfriend' dresses like a guy and looks like a guy....but is absolutely a woman. I avoid saying anything (you know how Americans come to observe and comment). So I make it home, and am sitting there quietly....when the wife asked me if I noticed the lesbian couple. "Really?" was my comeback. I avoided comment.

Months go by and the son of this divorced gal is having a significant amount of issues at school....consuming alcohol (he's fourteen by this point)....the gossip is that he will never finish school, period. By this point, I make the comment to the German wife that maybe there is some sociological issues here with Johann and the lesbian "aunt" who now lives in the house. My wife gave me the nasty look and I avoided ever mentioning this episode ever again.

I don't think the kid ever finished school. And he's probably some loser who just unloads groceries at the local grocery shop. It's none of my business, and I shouldn't care. But here's the thing. The kid probably expected a different path in life, and didn't get it. And he couldn't accept it.
21:34 February 23, 2013 by ChrisRea
Oh, so there is also a sad story when a woman took the place of the father besides the endless row of sad stories when it is another man that takes the place of the original father? Can we compare them with the success stories of similar situations (when one parent is replaced by someone of the same sex or not)?
06:24 February 24, 2013 by verdammteseele
@pepsionice (since your story is too long to quote)

You cannot be serious with your story, right? You state that you simply 'observe'. You know nothing of the situation and yet you make stone-set decisions about the reasons. You completely invalidate your own argument. (maybe the child is like you, eh?)

FACT: Children of divorces are much more likely to drop out of school, become alcoholics, do drugs, etc. This is unarguable.

FACT: Some people simply aren't intelligent enough to finish school.

My husband (20 years old) is a child of a divorce. His grades plummeted, he drinks, and he has chronic depression. He gets upset over everything and he never used to. We can't even have sex without him getting depressed. Sorry if that's too much information for you. I've taken care of his counseling and kept him happy. Since we've been together his GPA went from a 2.1 to a 3.34, he has a good job now, and his depression is almost completely taken care of. We are a gay couple.

Back to your story, you have absolutely no idea of why the kid isn't doing well, you even said yourself you don't know what happened to him and yet you have the balls to say that it's because of his lesbian mother? Your ignorance is sadly not unbelievable because it is neanderthals like yourself who are claiming people like he aren't human enough to deserve equal rights. Because of people like you I had to spend thousands of dollars out of pocket for my husband's therapy! It's because he and I can't be legally married in the US so my insurance isn't accepted. I just turned 21 years old and spent most of my money helping my husband, I can't even legally call him my husband all because of ignorant people like you.

I despise people like you and am not afraid to say it, I'm glad your wife has more sense (given your story). Keep your hear-say to yourself and spare the world your ignorance. Bring facts, not gossip.
08:33 February 24, 2013 by B_R_K
We have ignorance on both sides. Straight people have to understand that gay people want equal rights. But homosexual couples have to understand, that for some kids it could be a hard time to have homosexual parents, because our society still discriminates gay people and it is wrong to make social experiments with children.
09:36 February 24, 2013 by auslanderus
Here I am , another dumm American saying his views about gays, since when has been been that we "have" to accept gays? And why is it that when we don't agree with the gay issue we are dumm? I am against gays, I don't hate them, I feel sorry for them because if they don't change there life style then they will have to face the Lord and accept what he does to them. No where in the Bible does it say gay is ok. They better read Romans Chapter 1. I know, bring up the bible again. Well we have to follow some rules in life and the bible sets out a lot of good rules. We all make choices, good or bad, but the bad will be the end to us.
10:03 February 24, 2013 by GolfAlphaYankee
@auslanderus #9 : you don't "have" to accept us ... just don't oppose giving us the same rights that straight people get.

I don't give a sh#t if you think I am going to hell as long as you treat me like other people that you must think are also going to rot in hell (divorced couples, adulterers .....)
11:42 February 24, 2013 by ChrisRea
@ auslanderus

"No where in the Bible does it say gay is ok." - We are not in the dark Medieval Age anymore, so fortunately religious laws are irrelevant, they are not allowed to mess out lives anymore. Our secular laws reflect the idea of not discriminating based on sex or sexual preference. For example, it might be hard for you to accept that women and men deserve equal rights (even if the Bible does not agree), but fortunately the Church has little to say about it.
16:33 February 24, 2013 by B_R_K
@ auslanderus

"Here I am , another dumm American ... " There is nothing more to say!
10:59 February 25, 2013 by Firmino
Gay parenting is not a social experiment. It's been happening for a long time and it will keep on happening. Wanna protect the children?

Make sure the children of same-sex couples will have the same legal protection as other children enjoy, as simple as that. And don't bring out the stupid argument that children of gay couples will be discriminated against!!! Yes they may, but the same may be true of mixed race couples, shall we stop mixed race marriages now?

There is not a single reason for gay people not to have the exact same rights as straight people. And that must include equal marriage. I think it is embarrasing for Germany not to have full equality yet.
06:05 February 27, 2013 by RosieRosebud
@pepsionice

"The wife"......."the German wife".....".divorcee gal"......."lesbian aunt".......and more examples.

How about some respectful terms being used to identify women?

The mom........my spouse or my wife......divorced woman......partner........etc.

I can certainly tell you that if I lived in a home with the mentality that was demonstrated by your comment I would quickly be a divorcee gal also......hello????? Do you really use these terms in your life, or are you simply using them to convey an attitude here?
Today's headlines
German court: Ban on refugee demos must stay
Anti-refugee demonstrators carry a sign accusing Chancellor Angela Merkel of being a "traitor to the nation" this week in Heidenau. Photo: DPA

German court: Ban on refugee demos must stay

1 day ago

Update: A German court on Friday night reinstated a ban on rallies in an eastern town hit by violent anti-migrant protests, overturning an earlier decision that found the restriction to be "illegal".

Footballers gone wild
Neuer's 'glass palace' angers idyllic village
Tegernsee is a famous beauty sport. Photo: DPA

Neuer's 'glass palace' angers idyllic village

1 day ago

Villagers in the picturesque Bavarian region of Tegernsee are bristling at World Cup-winning Germany goalkeeper and Bayern Munich star Manuel Neuer's plan to build a huge glass villa on the shores of their beautiful lake.

Interview
'Berlin is kind of like the best American city'
Canadian composer and performer Owen Pallett. Photo: Brian Vu

'Berlin is kind of like the best American city'

1 day ago

The Local speaks with Oscar-nominated Canadian musician Owen Pallett about performing at legendary Berlin club Berghain - and just why the world's artists are so fascinated with the German capital.

Germany name squad for crunch Scotland match
Liverpool's Emre can has been called up to the Germany squad to face Scotland and Poland. Photo: DPA

Germany name squad for crunch Scotland match

1 day ago

Liverpool's uncapped defender Emre Can was on Friday called up to the Germany squad for the world champions' forthcoming key Euro 2016 qualifiers against Poland and Scotland.

How Brits in Germany are facing Brexit fears
How will life for Brits in Germany change if the Brexit happens? Photo: DPA

How Brits in Germany are facing Brexit fears

1 day ago

Greece is the talk of the town this year. But in 2016, it will be Britain questioning its EU membership. The referendum outcome could be life altering for many Brits living in Germany.

Honest senior rewarded for handing in €12,000
An 87-year-old pensioner found the cash in the bin. Photo: DPA

Honest senior rewarded for handing in €12,000

1 day ago

After throwing away €12,000 this week, a landlord in North Rhine-Westfalia thought he'd made one of the most expensive blunders of his life. But the money made it home safely, police said on Friday – and all thanks to an honest pensioner.

Elite cops' hazing ritual: eat ice cream off thighs
A Cologne SEK unit on deployment in 2013. Photo: DPA

Elite cops' hazing ritual: eat ice cream off thighs

1 day ago

Officers from Cologne's elite Spezialeinsatzkommando (SEK) police unit should be punished for hazing practices they inflicted on new members, an official in North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW) said on Thursday.

Knut autopsy could help human disease sufferers
Knut died in front of visitors at Berlin Zoo in 2011. Photo: DPA

Knut autopsy could help human disease sufferers

1 day ago

Four years after Berlin's celebrity polar bear Knut died, a neuroscientist has discovered the cause of death - an autoimmune disorder which affected his brain.

Army buys in new guns to replace defective G36
A German soldier armed with a G36 rifle during training exercises in Poland. Photo: DPA

Army buys in new guns to replace defective G36

1 day ago

Some German soldiers will be carrying different weapons within a year as the Defence Ministry scrambles to replace standard rifle which loses accuracy under hot temperatures.

Climate change
Sweltering summer has climatologists sweating
Dried out soil in Bavaria. Photo: DPA

Sweltering summer has climatologists sweating

1 day ago

Heat over 40 degrees, weeks without rain, sudden storms and flash floods – in the summer of 2015 Germany experienced all these things. Are these extremes set to become the norm?

RECEIVE OUR NEWSLETTER AND ALERTS

National
Weekend of anti-refugee violence shocks Germany
National
Half of Germans 'have had sex in their car'
Society
Deadly stew spooks home vegetable gardeners
Politics
The man who brought two Germanies together
Features
Where to get your culture fix in Cologne
Education
Fairytale world of Brothers Grimm brought to life
Rhineland
Thieves leave 1,000 open beers untasted
National
Way to some Germans' hearts is through their wallets
National
Germany's biggest challenge: European refugee crisis
Travel
Where to get your adrenaline pumping in Germany
Technology
Could thieves hack into luxury cars?
What to watch out for when snapping your lunch
National
German lefties through history
National
The fight over prostitution heats up
National
Merkel: migrants, not Greece, are the real challenge
Features
How I explained the Queen to the Germans
Education
Why Germany does 'back-to-school' traditions better
National
Germans are ‘not how foreigners think’
National
A mum and daughter reunite 70 years after WWII
Sport
Bra stops bullet in hunting mishap miracle
National
Cows trample German woman to death in Graubünden Alps
Business & Money
Start-up helps new Berliners short cut bureaucracy
National
The 1,000s of Germans massacred after the Second World War
Sport
Germany star scores own goal with PR gaffe
Features
'Women-only' parking: sensible or sexist?
Politics
Satire and reality blur in parody party's strife
National
13-year-old boy detained for trying to join Isis
Culture
Berlin restaurant serves up Greek Crisis Menu
Rhineland
Doctor on trial after woman wakes in morgue
Society
Six odd things Germans do in the summer
Society
Police bust kinky Bavarian couple over painful love-making
Politics
Merkel brings Palestinian girl to tears
Hamburg
Amateur archaeologist finds Nazi gold hoard
National
Could Merkel learn a lesson in love from this doppelganger?
Travel
Why you should stay in Germany for the summer holidays
Sport
German press tell Schweinsteiger 'good riddance'
National
Hamburg gets a bouncing 100kg baby girl
Latest news from The Local in Austria

More news from Austria at thelocal.at

Latest news from The Local in Switzerland

More news from Switzerland at thelocal.ch

Latest news from The Local in Denmark

More news from Denmark at thelocal.dk

Latest news from The Local in Spain

More news from Spain at thelocal.es

Latest news from The Local in France

More news from France at thelocal.fr

Latest news from The Local in Italy

More news from Italy at thelocal.it

Latest news from The Local in Norway

More news from Norway at thelocal.no

Latest news from The Local in Sweden

More news from Sweden at thelocal.se

7,089
jobs available
Toytown Germany
Germany's English-speaking crowd