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'Immigrants cause problems' say Germans

The Local · 17 Dec 2012, 12:39

Published: 17 Dec 2012 12:39 GMT+01:00

Seventy percent of those asked said immigration made it easier for international firms to invest in Germany, while 62 percent said that immigration could ease the effects of Germany's ageing society. And half said immigration as an effective means against the country's lack of skilled labour.

But two-thirds of Germans also saw immigration as an extra burden on the social security system, and as a source of conflict with "native" Germans and a source of trouble in schools, according to the Emnid survey commissioned by the Bertelsmann Foundation.

And fewer than half of the 1,002 people asked were in favour of easing naturalization procedures, allowing dual citizenship, and toughening anti-discrimination laws.

"Germany underestimates the importance of its 'welcoming culture' and overestimates its appeal as a country of immigration," concluded Ulrich Kober, integration specialist at the Bertelsmann Foundation.

In fact, he added, highly qualified people from non-EU countries actively avoid moving to Germany. "Without more social openness, we are not attractive for qualified immigrants, who we badly need to counter the demographic development," he said.

The survey also showed that anti-immigrant ideas are possibly dying out, with the pollsters finding that the younger the German, the less likely he or she is to hold anti-immigrant views.

The study found that the advantages of immigration weigh more heavily with under-29-year-olds. This age group rates the contribution of Germany's long-term immigrant population more highly, and the majority of them believe that naturalization should be made easier.

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14:32 December 17, 2012 by TheCrownPrince
That depends. Most Germans have no reservations concerning people from other European countries, or the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. (= the western world). When it comes to people form the Middle East or Africa, things unfortunately often look a little bit different.
15:15 December 17, 2012 by Berlin fuer alles
And Germans cause problems say immigrants. Cannot say i have ever heard of anyone in another country being happy they have a German neighbour. Complain too much and have the least to spend.
15:39 December 17, 2012 by lucksi
Well, what immigrants do you see? The one blending in with a job ect, or the house -which is looking worse each year - full of Turks (or insert other nationality) who have been here for 30 years, are on governmental aid and don't speak German, as well as their fat kids without any manners who also don't speak German?
16:32 December 17, 2012 by frankiep
From my experience Germans don't have any problems with immigrants who integrate into society by going to work, paying their taxes, learning the language, etc. They do have a problem (and rightfully so) with immigrants who come here and make absolutely no effort to integrate or contribute to society and complain that things here are done differently than in the country from which they came.
16:44 December 17, 2012 by Zubair Khan
With passage of time this thinking will change. I just attended this morning a function where supreme head of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community inaugurated Islamic Theology Institute in city of Riedstadt-Goddelau. A small city in Kreis Gross-Gerau, 60 km southward from Frankfurt. City Lord Mayor, Representative of Islamic Forum and HessenState Secretary for Integration also spoke on the occasion. Each one appreciated the contributions made by this community which has Asian Immigration background. In his inaugural address supreme head of community once again highlighted to community members to become exemplary citizens of Germany. News papers and TV like ARD and ZDF also covered the event. Details are available at www.themuslimtimes,org also. After having attended such events one can remain optimistic that very soon the mind set of German society will change about Immigrants.
16:55 December 17, 2012 by raandy
Zubair Khan good attitude, hope it comes to pass.
21:17 December 17, 2012 by wood artist
The truth is more general: People cause problems. This poll simply reflects that most people believe that people who are different than themselves cause problems. In this case, it's usually more like "people who look different than me cause problems.."

Guess what. Almost every society around believes that, and we, as humanity, need to get over it. We haven't learned, even yet. I almost hate to point this out, but given the situation it might be worth making the comparison. At one time in Germany there was a belief that another group of people in Germany caused problems too. Supposedly they "looked different" too. The story was that they had big noses. At that time, in truth, it was the "Germans" who caused the problems. We ALL need to get over our differences, and celebrate our common humanity.

23:48 December 17, 2012 by AClassicRed
Best comment I've read on similar or referencing articles like this in a long time: wood artist. Simple, to the point and spot on. The continued attitudes left over from that era that still have influence on others, is at the base of the problem of immigration. However, that attitude didn't begin in the 1930s+ era. It was present and conveniently built upon and heightened. It is making a renewal in some areas and groups of Germany.

Although I was born in Germany, I am still rather an immigrant in the sense I only returned around ten years ago. I still can have problems at the Ausländerbehörde just like anyone else, but among Germans I do not. Not that I tried to avoid non-Germans, but the people I happened to live with and be around were all German, and actually from an older generation (40s and up to 80s). I admit when I move in more culturally mixed parts of Berlin, for example, I can experience some of the feelings Germans have expressed: Turkish children behaving rudely, nastily, arrogantly, and others ethnicities being loud, aggressive and boorish.

Some citied N. Americans, Australians, etc. as being a more acceptable kind of immigrant in general, and I agree, but they too can distinctly stand out because of attitudes and behavior. I think these are just more focused on, I've seen Germans, especially younger ones, doing the very same...but what they do is rationalized or excused. Foreigners are a _________. Add your term. Many would write in "problem." They don't differentiate, or either they do so along racial lines.
16:16 December 21, 2012 by wegosolo
Hmm, Culture Shock is a 2-way street, can we stop trivializing this issue with rose hued glasses and just call a Duck a DUCK? The issue of immigration in Germany is a matter of acceptance. Germans... aren't very accepting, in fact they can be down right bigoted, even more so than Rural Americans. I have come to the conclusion that it is Germans who are the real problem with immigration. Go into any other successfully diverse Nation, and you will see segmented groups of people contributing in their own way....except in Germany. No one really seems to question that.
21:38 December 22, 2012 by www.emungus.net

1.The Guest

Germany is a meeting point for natives from Mid East , Asia (and Africa, at a certain extent) . Then the right query might be : would Germs (or westerners) be as well integrated in these communities countries of origin? Probably not. Why?... Simply because the acceptance of the other as such seems to be diminished in those landscapes. Middle-East and a part of Asia seem to displaying the most less broad-minded behaviors.

Last but not least, the migrants attitude towards their host country. By the intensity of its violence, the riot in Paris (later on London) has left a tarnished image of immigrants. Let us consider the following : a host is in her house waiting for her guest to come... Whom between the two is likely to accommodate to the other? The guest. Well then, will a visitor prompt her host country to adapt to her fashion and customs? Of course not. The common sense learns to accommodate oneself with one¦#39;s hosts¦#39; principles ; because the inverse wouldn¦#39;t be correct.

2.The Host

Integration is a long process, this process is often much more tardy between groups of different cultural background. However, failure in social integration usually occurs when folks do not compete on equal terms. To belong to foreign group does not deprived one¦#39;s right to equally compete in the national scene. Since native so well foreign citizens contribute with their coin to the headway of the society a chance to success should be given to all through the access to workstations reserved for each meritorious qualified workforce.

In this regard, Afro-Europeans appear to be worse off than other social groups.

Furthermore, some attitudes are common to human societies. In lean seasons local groups may become suspicious towards migrant ones, they regard them as the source of the dry season that is plaguing the living.

Such feeling can trigger unfriendly behaviors towards outsiders and disfavors thereby integration. The absence of integration is the core of conflicts and the cause of brake to individual progress.

This said, natives and foreigners in Germany ought realize that integration is nothing but another giving-and-taking relationship. Get together and enjoy Merry Christmas!
22:05 December 23, 2012 by Heidegger555
There's no good reason for massive non-european immigration into Germany or into any european country for that matter. The Turks were invited as guest-workers in the 1960's because so many German men had been killed in the war... that's a special situation. The recent waves of immigrants, the Arabs, the sub-saharan Africans, the Yugos and Russians, the Chinese and what have you, the Khazaks and Afghanis, etc. etc. etc. are all here because of the generous monies handed out by the traitorous 'socialist international' which has been ruling the BRD since its inception.

You can't build a first world country with third world people.

Islam is foreign to Europe and has no place here.

Forget the 'integration' bs there's no need for it.


Turkey for the Turks, Egypt for the Egyptians, China for the Chinese, Nigeria for the Nigerians, Brazil for the Brazilians, China for the Chinese, Germany for everybody and anybody.... makes sense, right????
23:37 December 23, 2012 by www.emungus.net
@ Heidegger555

Hold up : first world country? You¦#39;re day dreaming, daddy, should get up.

Are you Germ? I suppose you are. Well, take it , because apparently you are up and about : your country also is outdoors knocking on the third world people doors -gravy or not Germany/Germs are making beefy money overseas at the Arabs, Sub-saharan Africans, Yugos, Russians, the Chinese… then here you are yelling out people stranding on your door?! So get out others countries too, right?

Are they home because of the your generous money ?...Well, want it, get it : they receive nothing for free , Herr(spell it right, I guess)…Quest your finance minister and get ready how much fat bucks your country get from the inter com and UE for hosting immigrants. No free of charge grants, hit libraries and collect facts before gossip. Foreigners are paying for their living by purchasing-and-getting transactions, doing so they are paying taxes to country too.

Please breath: lucky here, not living in your world first country and will ever settle there either, do not need it. So no more jerks, cool down. By the way, Merry Christmas ! Friendly .
03:26 December 24, 2012 by Heidegger555

German corporations make alot of money exporting high end manufactured goods all over the world, that much is true. I imagine there are alot of corportations partly owned by German stockholders doing business/investing all over the world as well. Besides this I'm not sure what you mean by your 'beefy money' statement... Germans certainly aren't immigrating by the hundreds of thousands or millions into any of the countries you mentioned.

As for the EU, the German taxpayers contribute vastly more to this 'system' (for want of a better word) than it receives... and I'm not even counting the fact that they always are the official lender of last resort when the banking cartel that basically runs the EU sets up another 500 billion euro bailout fund for whoever needs it.

You really think that people arriving in Germany without any real job skills and zero command of the language don't sap the system?? 'Foreigners pay for their living by purchasing and getting transactions' ?? What is that even supposed to mean??
19:07 December 24, 2012 by www.emungus.net
O sorry… we are not speaking German, let me explain my expressions :

1. Purchasing--getting : to get an item one has to buy it, In clear terms, you have to buy in order to get a s.thing. This action is a transaction sailor-buyer in between, and by purchasing one pays taxes to the state ­ that is you are doing, so do migrants/foreigners in your country too. All right? Clear.

2. Beefy money= a lot of money

This said, let us get on your insert. Investing? Putting in 1 buck getting away with a thousand, call it investing? Dear, to be honest your land could be among the the triggers of their misfortunes. Moreover, you paved the way brutally and run on those foreigners and the migrants in your country, looking down on them as half humans, that is plain wrong. They enter your country by knocking on the door as visitors/asylum seekers whereas you are entering the countries by breaking in and looting, then here we are, trying to play holy...come on, buddy! You showed off yourself but felt into nothingness. So please do not misbehave furthermore; act like a gent, this forum is clean from fiddlesticks spotted in your post. Agree to differ courteously. Well, let us act wisely and make the world a better place to live in. Once again, Merry Christmas to all in you guys in Deutschland !
03:04 December 29, 2012 by Darthkuriboh
Comment removed by The Local for breach of our terms.
23:15 January 7, 2013 by Ricardoh
Future generations will pay the price. In time you will be out voted in your own country.
13:51 January 18, 2013 by DOZ
Some Countries are always looking for stories to keep Germans in a bad light.

06:37 January 19, 2013 by Aussiefrank
"Berlin Fuer alles" is somewhat wrong about having German immigrants as neighbours being undesirable.

In fact Australia has a large number of German immigrants and we have found that they are generally very good and helpful neighbours whose ethics and behaviour fully conforms to our expectations and ethics.

I have had numerous neighbours of German descent and immigrants and would prefer them to many other European / global nationalities at present besieging our borders !
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