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Five siblings jailed for 'honour killing' of sister

The Local · 17 May 2012, 18:08

Published: 17 May 2012 18:08 GMT+02:00

The 18-year-old woman, identified only as Arzu Ö., was violently kidnapped from her boyfriend’s flat in Detmold, North Rhine-Westphalia, last November, and taken to a motorway services station where she was shot dead.

Judge Michael Reineke heard that she had been beaten several times by members of her own family, particularly her brother Osman, and that in September 2011 she had fled to a refuge and filed official complaints against her brother and father.

“That was pretty much her death sentence,” the judge said, according to a report in the Berliner Zeitung newspaper on Wednesday. Referring to the Kurdish roots and Yazidi faith, he said that those who live in Germany must live by the values of this country, and not those of their origin.

Her brother Osman, 22, was jailed for life for her murder after having admitted to firing the shots.

Her sister Sirin, 27, and brother Kirer, 25, both received 10-year sentences for kidnapping her and assisting in her killing. Her brothers Elvis, 21, and Kemal, 24, got five and-a-half years in jail for the kidnapping.

State prosecutor Ralf Vetter had asked for life imprisonment not only for Osman but for Sirin and Kirer and called for Kemal and Elvis to be given at least 11 years in prison.

The lawyers for Elvis, Kirer and Osman want to appeal the sentences.

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Your comments about this article

18:31 May 17, 2012 by MeinSchwanz
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19:52 May 17, 2012 by cheeba
why does a country encourage people from profoundly different cultures to immigrate but then punish those same people for doing what they believe is right? I am missing something here.
20:10 May 17, 2012 by Teddy57
Mein Schwanz, forcing a woman to wear a Burka, reenforces their status as property not as a human being with rights. cheeba: If I go to Saudia Arabia, I must give up, my wife driving her own auto. My consumption of alcohol. Any display of Jewish or Christian belief ie: Star of David or a Cross. No matter how they entice me, money or what-ever, I must adapt if I want to live there. The rules are the same if you immigrate to Europe or the Americas from Saudi Arabia( SA used as an example). Also, should I immigrate to SA, it does not give me the right to kill a female relative should her conduct displease me. The issue which dare not speak it's name is cultural disappointment. The Prophet promised if you do "A, B and C" you will rule the world. It did not work that way and as a religion Islam is pissed at the rest of the world and sees it as a gross insult that they have languished developmentally, in a backwater, which without oil would have no revalence. Without oil the Middle East would be Eritria or Sudan. A large Kitty litter box.
21:53 May 17, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
Why is the extent of the multicultural clash of human rights values in europe still ignored by the mainstream press?
22:08 May 17, 2012 by McM
Sad.

Sad for the pointless loss of life. Sad for the Local's motive in baiting posters with more multi culti crap and sad for some of the posts that have risen to to bait.
01:26 May 18, 2012 by wood artist
@McM

This is clearly a cultural issue. While most western civilizations would easily condemn this type of action, there are places elsewhere that don't automatically, if at all. We are, like it or not, becoming a global society, and one of the most basic issues with that change is the clash of cultures that results. Up to a point I can respect those differences, but this is pretty clearly beyond the pale for most of us.

When I visit Germany I know that some things are "different." I can pretty easily adapt, and hopefully appear reasonably respectful. If I screw up, which I'm sure I do, it's from ignorance not intent. This, on the other hand, is something else. Anyone visiting Germany would know that murder, for whatever motive, is considered a crime. If they chose to ignore that, then they deserve punishment. They can, and possibly did, present cultural differences as a defense, but I doubt the court was impressed.

In general I have no problem with Islam, or any other religion, even if I privately think it's crazy. You're entitled to your beliefs, just as I ask that you allow me the same. As we become more global, that needs to be the standard.

wa
02:45 May 18, 2012 by yourkeau
This kind of murder is a crime in islamic countries too, this is actually a pre-islamic tradition which has nothing to do with islam. The problem is that these people knew that it is a crime in Germany. And they knew that they will be caught and jailed for life. However, they still did it because for them it is better to be jailed than to loose so called "honour".

How can we prevent this crime from happening? I don't know the answer, but we do need to find one.
02:48 May 18, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@McM

Why do you consider this article and others like it in an example of Thelocal baiting posters? This kind of multicultural stress is real, on going and socially important. Should Thelocal be prohibited from covering subjects some people deem politically incorrect? Have you ever heard of freedom of the press? In case you're from Mars I can tell you its a basic freedom in western society. Maybe you would like to set a quota of how many stories about islamic violence this site is allowed to cover?
07:48 May 18, 2012 by McM
Sad. Not one thought for the poor kid that was killed by her family only self indulgent rants about theological fantasy and brainless freedom of press indignation.
11:44 May 18, 2012 by Jibzy
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12:29 May 18, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ McM

Not one thought for the murdered child?? What do you think this article is about, the man in the moon? The only thing thats sad in this discussion is your inability to tolerate recurring legitimate stories about real multicultural stress.
13:48 May 18, 2012 by T Gonzaga
At some point most of us will hopefully open our eyes to the fact that henious, barbaric and medieval practices cannot be tolerated; not if our modern democracies are to remain in existence. Call it bias, if you wish, but certain acts can never be dismissed under the cliche': "it's their culture." When we do so, we debase our own humanity and we become as callous as those barbarians who practice any and all of the following: child brides, female circumcision, honor killings, denigration of women, spousal abuse, censorship, religious discrimination, as well as sex discrimination in any of its medieval forms. Culture is a relative thing, but barbarity is not. We need to distinguish the difference, before our penchant for tolerance turns into a suicidal death sentence for all things which the enlightenment has allowed us to achieve. As the character "Andre" in the novel "Up Dog Street" states: There are many ways to sacrifice the innocent that require neither fire nor blood. How much intolerance must we endure in the name of tolerance?"
14:49 May 18, 2012 by Harry Grouse
A perfect example of how integration is going!

Blessings to the young girl And surely i would be killed for saying Blessings
15:01 May 18, 2012 by Jibzy
T Gonzaga, Harry and all other "enlightened" Europeans.

Would you please mind telling me what you were doing to women a couple of hundred years ago? Werent it your uncles and dads who were burning your aunts and sisters on crosses? Has such a long time passed that now you can point fingers at others if they do the same?
15:38 May 18, 2012 by McM
Do I detect the smell of burning or is that just multiculti stress gaining traction again.
16:06 May 18, 2012 by Bruno53
I am sure not all Muslims practice "honor killings". And it is too bad some bigots use it to smear an entire people. But I also believe "honor killings" have no place in our civilization, and must be eliminated wherever it is practiced. And the anti Muslim bigots: get an education!
17:13 May 18, 2012 by Paulp
The brothers are obviously animals - oops, animals would never to what they did to one of their kin...stupid is as stupid does.
17:27 May 18, 2012 by digital47
I don't understand why Germany continues to let these people in. For that matter I don't know why any country would want them to come in.
17:57 May 18, 2012 by kamran.usman
i belong to a muslim family (even though i am a Deist myself) and i have considerable knowledge of islam.. and sadly, this tradition of 'honour killing' is not islamic at all (not defending islam, it has its issues, just stating the facts), but looking at the names of the criminals, it seems they are from turkish background.. which makes me sad.. poor girl.. i wonder if punishing these criminals can bring the poor girl back.. but this is serious! these criminals should be kicked out of Germany once they finish their term.. they do not deserve to live in this country unless they are willing to accept the freedom to choose for everyone independently.. feeling sad
18:08 May 18, 2012 by coffeelover
Does Germany have a " citizen " class immigrants have to take, pass before becoming citizens of Germany? If so, they should know the laws so therefore, no excuse is viable for criminal behavior. I also think these "family" members got off too easy. Hopefully in German prisons, like here in U.S. , these killers will get their "honor" back from Bubba, go ahead and drop the soap.
18:15 May 18, 2012 by gonzamm
I am in agreement with kamran.usman. If a person is escaping religious persecution from their own country, why enter another country (which condemns these type of horrendous crimes) to continue these types of crimes? If they don't like it here or don't like the laws or culture here; I say go back to your own country. I don't get it! I have relocated from another country to Germany about a year ago and I am following all the rules and regulations that this country has laid down for all the people living here. Ok, sometimes there is a lot of red tape to go through, but I have assimilated well - learning the language and culture, and above all respecting the laws as well its people. This is not my country and I am a guess here so I will act like one. I just want to be treated with respect in return as well and so far I have not had any problems. One has to show respect to gain respect.
19:18 May 18, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@McM

I love the short remarks you make on this article that are supposed to be pithy but really just funny. Multicultural stress has always been an issue in Germany since the war and the "traction" has never disappeared with most germans.
20:42 May 18, 2012 by raandy
Jibzy, come on dude, the best you can come up with is 200 years old? We are talking about murder here. The unnecessary loss of life,by a controlling family.

Should I assume you condone this outrageous murderous behavior?
21:01 May 18, 2012 by Anth2305
This kind of story is not at all uncommon here in the UK, however we can't say that we 'didn't know' that certain races and religions have wildly different customs and values which are totally incompatible and unacceptable with those of our own.

Surely therefore a large part of the blame has to be laid upon ourselves for not demanding certain acceptable standards of lifestyles and behaviour from people who were allowed to immigrate into our respective countries, along with (were ever reasonably practicable) the guaranteed threat of immediate deportation for transgressors.
21:34 May 18, 2012 by McNair Kaserne
"i have considerable knowledge of islam.. and sadly, this tradition of 'honour killing' is not islamic at all (not defending islam, it has its issues, just stating the facts),"

Then you should know very well the aspects of the Koran and Sharia that cover this kind of thing. I get so tired of people saying it has nothing to do with Islam and Sahria law when in fact it has everything to do with both.. When people wake up and stop believing this malarky we will be further ahead because we will have finally identified the problem whereas right now we are still not admitting the truth to ourselves.

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm
22:43 May 18, 2012 by McM
Your too kind.
00:43 May 19, 2012 by freedomdave
Cheeba, you just went full retard on us. You don't understand why killing an 18 year old girl is a problem? I'm from a very little town in Florida and in my culture you'd get punched in the nose for being so dumb.
03:41 May 19, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
I think Cheeba's point is that these people should not have been allowed to emigrate to the European union in the first place. And I agree.
15:10 May 19, 2012 by herzlich
Wow... what a mentality of the people and of course THELOCAL. Of course, killing should be no where tolerate, there must be respect for all... but why you people are so curious for ISLAM. Man i love the phobia you got :)

What about a European man kidnapping his own daughter an keep slave and having kids with her and then even abusing those kids :) you do not see much concerned about that but if a SAD event like this happened you are too happy to announce, hey look ISLAM does not work here.

There million of example in this culture where Muslims are supporting your society. They are quite active here and living their life with happy colleagues and neighbors while even following their own religion but nobody is mentioning the success of religion their but a number of events of bad people are the real concerned but only if they are conducted by Muslims.

I wonder if u really think that killing is considered normal in Muslim countries or normal in any religion or in any culture. If u believe so, please go and live their first then you will realize.

Regards .
20:11 May 19, 2012 by NastyNika
Yazidi faith? Is that Muslim spelled backwards in German?
01:21 May 20, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ herzlich

The United Nations reports that family members kill more than 5,000 women and girls around the world each year via Islamic honor killings. It is the punishment often meted out to women suspected of unsanctioned sexual behavior, dating a non-Muslim, or even being the victim of rape. Honor killings are most prevalent in Muslim societies in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia. They are now also occurring within Muslim immigrant communities in the West.
15:53 May 20, 2012 by herzlich
@Mr. Wonderful I am not going in contrary to your claim. But do you know in India how many girls are born and how many are buried alive? Is that Islam culprit for that? If some people are doing wrong things, is Islam responsible for that. The issue is to find out why? Lack of education , both religious and science are leading towards this kind of attitude. These killings are not at all accepted by any religion but are discouraged by Islam. So if there are black sheep how could one claim that ISLAM is bad or a FAIL Religion. If you are not practicing the religion or even not practicing it and are indulge in bad actions, thats a personal action and should be treated on individual level. is a RAPE normal? any religion supports that? Child sex is normal?? why its happening even in churches?? It is not about religion its about People and should be dealt on People , Society level.

I think its time to also highlight a few other Muslims immigrants , living around you and are good people. Can you find them? If yes, why and how are they good being a Muslim and immigrant. Can anybody cite me a single news here about GOOD behavior or integration of Muslims in the society? Is that really fair to only publish and portray negative image of a particular group. its not a kind of genocide??
22:43 May 20, 2012 by Mr. Wonderful
@ herzlich

"If some people do wrong things, is Islam responsible for that?"

Yes, if Islam directs people to behave that way. I'm sure I don't need to quote you the Koranic directives about homosexuals, apostates, adultery, jihad and wife beating, just to name a few issues. As to honor killings of women the fact is Arab Christians, Arab Jews or Arab Bahai etc don't practice this nightmarish act. Only Arab Muslims indulge in this horrid tradition on a terrifyingly regular basis.
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