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Berlin mulls troops for post-Qaddafi Libya

The Local · 22 Aug 2011, 13:00

Published: 22 Aug 2011 13:00 GMT+02:00

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“When there are requests about the Bundeswehr, we will examine them constructively, as we always do,” de Maizière told the Rheinische Post newspaper without elaborating further.

The Interior and Foreign ministries also declared a willingness to consider military assistance and said they were mulling how else to help stabilize the country after Qaddafi's departure.

Berlin irked its closest allies this spring by refusing to back a UN resolution authorizing military action against Qaddafi. However, German officials signalled early on they would consider sending peacekeepers and civilian reconstruction personnel to help Libya rebuild once Qaddafi was finally out of the picture.

On Monday it appeared that Qaddafi forces were close to total defeat. Rebels had surrounded his main compound in Libya's capital city of Tripoli, captured one of his sons and put another one under house arrest. It wasn't clear where the mercurial dictator was, but he has been repeatedly sending out radio messages urging Libyans to support him.

In a lightning movement into Tripoli over the weekend, the rebel forces took over almost all of capital, while Qaddafi's forces continued to control about 10 percent of the city. The rebels, backed by strong support from Western governments, now control almost all of the country.

Germany's involvement in Libya has been fraught with controversy. Initially Germany refused to participate militarily in NATO air strikes, isolating itself within the transatlantic alliance and earning the ire of allies including the United States, Britain and France.

But German officials recently faced criticism at home after it emerged that Bundeswehr personnel were helping identify attack targets in Libya for NATO to strike. The Green party said the soldiers' involvement was illegal since it lacked parliamentary approval.

On Monday, Germany reiterated its call for Qaddafi to resign.

Government spokesman Steffen Seibert told a regular press briefing that it

was clear Libya had reached a "turning point." He said Qaddafi had lost all vestiges of legitimacy.

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13:19 August 22, 2011 by marimay
Is "peace" code for oil? ;)
14:27 August 22, 2011 by lwexcel
The term:

"They'll like us when we win!," happens to come to mind for this particular situation.
14:29 August 22, 2011 by Sastry.M
Now,perhaps Germany also is forced to fight for "peer" dramocracy rather than personal democracy preached by Lord Krishna in the Bhagawad Gita whose birthday is being celebrated all over India today

Also I remember being reported in newspapers of late 70's that the outgoing Col.Gaddafi whose govt.was recognized by all powers was more receptive and read the Gita from back to front cover in his vernacular!
14:58 August 22, 2011 by jbaker
Looks like Germany and the World are preparing for World War. War is their only fix when Economic Depressions roll around.

The money system has failed. Only a few people hold the purse strings of the world banks. Time to create a better way to Live.
15:26 August 22, 2011 by melbournite
yeah, why not? If you dont get in on the imperialist feeding frenzy there will be nothing left on the corpse of Libya to pick over
17:06 August 22, 2011 by Expat IV
Yep, Germany is ready to jump into the imperialist feeding frenzy in Libya now that others have done the dangerous part.
17:16 August 22, 2011 by storymann
The real immediate threat is to prevent some kind of cycle where people act out their own retributions, as happened when Saddam Hussein fell in Iraq. Nato has to be on guard for this .

Hopefully the people of Libya will want a government that is moderate, and secular. Al Qaida is surely working against this ,any help from Nato members to prevent this during the countries most vulnerable time is important and necessary.
17:28 August 22, 2011 by Expat IV
History shows that there will be a time of turmoil followed by a government supposedly "of the people, by the people" which will quickly degenerate into another dictatorship.
18:23 August 22, 2011 by derExDeutsche
Dear World,

as long as a Democrat is in the White House; all theft, war and occupation may proceed with our blessings !


the media and the anti-war activists 'if you don't know what is going on, you aren't paying attention' union
18:42 August 22, 2011 by michael4096
@Expat IV - actually, history shows that most democracies are born by people fighting for what they believe in, and winning, while most dictators are installed by the CIA or some other outside agency

Are you suggesting that any dictatorship in this case would be because of outside influence - that left to themselves the Libyans would be better off?
19:38 August 22, 2011 by TheCrownPrince
Not one german grenadier or rifle for Libya! Not one! They can have some money (SOME money, not lots of money), but that's all. I don't see why Germany has any responsibility in this mess, neither strategically nor morally. Is Germany a protecting power in this region of the world in general or especially for Libya? No. It's France's and Italy's domain, not Germany's. Now that the tyrant and his cronies are gone, hordes of ragged and tattered "rebels" (Islamists, archaic tribesmen, Clan-members) are flooding Libya to build a new "state" and a "democracy". Well, let them, good luck with it, but please leave Germany alone with this foredoomed nonsense. Let those countries be concerned with the reconstruction of Libya that bombed the country so successfully to pieces.
22:40 August 22, 2011 by Expat IV

Dictatorships have been around a lot longer than the CIA or outside agencies. We humans are a sad lot.

As a history teacher, I take a long view of governments world wide. Rome went from a Republic to a dictatorship in a relatively short time. Few African or South American countries have retained true democratic governments after freeing themselves from European and U.S. control during the 20th Century. Venezuela is a perfect modern example under Chavez. Russia revolted against its monarchy and established a government by the people only to descend into Communist dictatorship. Cuba fought a peoples' revolution then fell under a dictatorship in the 1950's. How free are the people of Iraq under their elected government which is controlled by religious fanatics who dictate law?

Dictators are rarely installed--they are opportunists who appeal to the masses then take rigid control.

My view is pessimistic but based on the history of mankind, not just an American snobbery. God knows, the US was not believed to be capable of surviving as a democracy when it was established, but we have somehow managed to bumble on for nearly 300 years. I would love to see the revolutions in the Middle East and Africa result in stable democracies, but doubt it will happen. Who can tell?
23:16 August 22, 2011 by Beachrider
Oh my goodness. The haters are busy...

Germany has to resolve its position on the world stage again. Germany needs to establish its objectives and help lead the effort to get Libya on its feet. It isn't going to happen in a year or two, either.

Good luck avoiding the haters, too.
10:19 August 23, 2011 by Sastry.M
@The CrownPrince#11,

Wise counsel,hoping you are a German national.My comment @#3 purports this view of "Dramacracy" when Iraq was attacked and Germany wisely abstained from all support.Besides,Germany is already engaged in an economic war presently at two fronts,viz., home and the E.U due to imported dollar and defending Euro depressions.People around look only at Onkel Kurt's thick wallet expecting magnanimous bail out help rather than sympathize with his own difficulties of home management under such severe conditions.

Also Germany has no need to display any farcical bravadoism in supporting fights for ' Freedom and democracy' in purging once recognized dictator regimes and again lend an organized support as if in a 'stroke of wisdom ' already suffering from economic depression, for disarrayed rebellions in the concerned autocratic ruled countries. This is because the continental resources of Europe hardly suffice financially to support millions dense home population keeping internal law & order and security leave alone international policing and championing of proclaimed virtues
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