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Seehofer tells youth wing multiculturalism is dead

The Local · 16 Oct 2010, 13:21

Published: 16 Oct 2010 13:21 GMT+02:00

“We as the (Christian Democratic) Union stand for the dominant German culture and against multiculturalism – multiculturalism is dead,” he said according to news magazine Der Spiegel.

Speaking at the Junge Union national meeting in Potsdam, Seehofer’s latest attack on the idea of Germany being a country of immigration followed his recent call to stop Turks and Arabs from moving to Germany.

Yet he said his speech was not a lurch to the right, rather an attempt to "stop the right-wing loonies," he said, adding that "political seducers" must be deterred from parliament by addressing the concerns of voters.

Those who wanted to live in Germany had to be prepared to accept the daily culture of the country, he said, although did not specify how this should be defined.

Chancellor Angela Merkel was more moderate, Der Spiegel reported, but seemed to echo some of Seehofer’s sentiment when she said, “We feel bound to the Christian image of humanity, that is what defines us,” she said. Those who do not accept this, “are in the wrong place here.”

Germans should also talk about their values and their increasing alienation from religion, in order to affirm their sense of country and society, she added.

Regarding the idea of allowing highly-qualified people to come to Germany to fill the skills deficit, Seehofer said the emphasis should initially be on training unemployed people here before bringing people into the country.

Germany should not become the “social security office for the whole world,” he said.

Young members of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and their Bavarian sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), should know what the parties stood for, he added.

One should not have to “constantly apologise for having a love for one's own country,” he said, adding there was every reason to be proud of Germany.

Philipp Mißfelder, who was elected to chair the youth organisation on Friday, welcomed Seehofer’s comments on immigration.

Mißfelder said it was the job of the CSU to regain sovereignty over the popular debate. He said there should never be a democratically legitimate power to the political right of the union. “The guarantee for that in Germany is and remains, the CSU,” he said.

Seehofer was again criticised by the Central Council of Jews in Germany for his comments.

“All possible cultural circles are being stigmatised, defamed and tarred with the same brush. I find it on the one hand irresponsible and on the other, shabby,” said Stephan Kramer, secretary general of the Council.

He said the current debate on integration of migrants and immigration was making people feel uneasy and scared.

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Your comments about this article

16:45 October 16, 2010 by Frenemy
"Central Council of Jews"??? (!)

That is precisely the type of vocabulary that makes people uneasy...
18:54 October 16, 2010 by William Thirteen
i think we should review the Treaty of Westphalia. No peace is possible with these filthy papists!
19:24 October 16, 2010 by Aschaffenburgboy
Who ever thought that Adolf idealism was dead and buried needs to come to Germany this year, they seem to be coming out of the closet after hiding for so many decades.
19:30 October 16, 2010 by marimay
Yeah, it is pretty easy to spot a closet-nazi.
20:22 October 16, 2010 by DinhoPilot
After the sucession of articles in the Local about this topic

after the sucession of anti islam comments in this place, anti immigrant views, etc... One can wonder if this is a raising worldwide view...

Christians? Nowadays that's just another label!

Multiculturism dead?! No yet but maybe soon

Integration and learning the language a need for all imigrants?! YES

But people have the right to keep their cultural differences as long as those don't collide with country rules, neither makes people give up their religious views...
21:08 October 16, 2010 by nepo77
Its not a view its a fact. You cant ignore the problems that MC has created and just replace solutions with good feeling ideologies.Coherent societies work better than the diverse, Japan is the best example for that.
21:28 October 16, 2010 by ngwanem
@nepo77: japan also have one the highest suicide rates in the world. personally i don't see that as an example of a better society, if they create create high-tech but are not happy enough to stave off "self-execution"
21:29 October 16, 2010 by Frenemy
@nepo77: "Japan is the best example for that" (?)

How is that exactly?

(Economically, sociologically, politically, militarily? I don't know, cuz right now Japan ain't exactly a beacon of hope!)

isolation = stagnation
21:52 October 16, 2010 by HollyMacarony

Youre saying Japan is better than US, Canada, Australia... ?

Japan is dying my friend... we will see where Japan will be in 50 years.
23:41 October 16, 2010 by DinhoPilot

Holly Macaronni you are right! And when they die what is going to happen? Immigrants will come to take control over the land.

Dumb people don't realize there is no word creating megalomaniac societies, countries and culture if there won't be natives to inherit this heritage.

People are working like maniacs for generations to come... and problem is it won't be their ones to benefit most!
23:53 October 16, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Seehofer would be right at home with the right wing lunatics running for office in America at the moment. Orwellian, indeed, is his comment about "stop[ping] right wing loonies." If this is not pandering to right wing populism, it will certainly do until real right wing populist pandering comes along.

Even more disturbing is Merkel's comment that ¦quot;we feel bound to the Christian image of humanity, that is what defines us. Those who do not accept this, 'are in the wrong place here.'¦quot;

Surely she can't be so politically and socially inept as to marginalize everyone who happens not to believe in Christianity, including the majority of people in the world. Does she really believe that Germany should be transformed from a secular state to a Christian theocracy? The Christian image of humanity hasn't scored well in the test of time. As an atheist, I find that remark particularly odious, as I'm sure would many Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims or anyone else who does not share such devotion to the "Christian definition" of who we are.

I think a kind of madness is overtaking Europe, much as it is in the US. I see rough sledding ahead.
02:03 October 17, 2010 by Icarusty
Speak for yourselves. There are a lot of people in Germany who get on with people of all races, religions and cultures. As always, it takes two to tango, integration is impossible if the native population resist.

However, this does show Germany's true roots - as hardcore racists. Despite ethnic cleansing, mass exterminations, starting 2 world wars... they still haven't learnt their lesson and are asking for more.

True, racism and intolerance can occur in every human... but nowhere moreso than in Germany. The country is taking in more non-white immigrants... so what? Arab and Far Eastern countries are employing millions in whites every year, the expats are treated with respect and in many cases, better than the natives. And these are in countries with no social welfare, extreme poverty and hardship. Native whites don't have that in Germany.. .yet they still resort to racism... like I said, true colours.

Finally, a point worth mentioning - Angela Merkel said "Anyone who does not immediately speak German", she said, "is not welcome"... does that include all the Americans, Europeans, British, Australians and South Africans who are white, but speak their own language?
02:50 October 17, 2010 by elke77
The obvious solution is to vote against the progressive fascists who forced multikult on the people of the west.

They have lead Germany down the road of failure to a situation where each German must worry now about "commando style raids" on their cities.

The progressive fascists can never be trusted again. The period of multikult madness is ending and the dictatorship and self censorship it needs to work will need to end also.
03:37 October 17, 2010 by HollyMacarony

Wrong address. Fascism is on the RIGHT WING!

I sure hope right wingers/fascists dont take hold of Germany like they did in 1930's... it would be the last Germany ever did.
05:08 October 17, 2010 by ojokojo
Sometimes when i hear mad men like this speak, it makes me sick. German businesses and companies operate in Africa, do these people speak the local languages in the areas where they run their businesses?

Its a pity indeed, if every immigrant in Germany both white and black, if they should leave Germany, i can bet with my life that Germany would collapse, its already happening, you go to the hospitals u find doctors who are already above 70 yrs, the youths no longer go to universities, all they do is to drink beer and smoke @ the bahnhof, are these the kind of people who would be the Einstein, Planck of tomorrow.
09:49 October 17, 2010 by Kayak
There IS a burden that Germany must carry and that burden is the rise and fall of Nazism. The crimes committed during this period are clear and indisputable.

Although other countries in Europe contributed to the crimes it was Germany who led the way with its cool- and level-headed efficiency. Notions of "superiority" played a crucial role in committing these crimes. This is undeniable.

Therefore Germany cannot speak LIKE other countries who have succeeded in banning the veil or banning minarets. Germany is NOT free to do so and SHOULD NOT be free to do so and silence is not an option.

Instead, Germany must SPEAK with awareness and responsibility. It has insight into what went wrong with previous notions of superiority. It has a responsibility to itself and to the world that such notions will never be raised again.

Are there leaders in Germany who have NOT learned this?
09:58 October 17, 2010 by adipk
Slowly and gradually Nazi's thought coming back. I am afraid of future in Germany.

Transforming again from friendly to Nazi's.
10:27 October 17, 2010 by storymann
@prufroc I agree it is unfortunate that Merkel has taken this stand. Religion in any context should not be the basis for an integration policy. I think Merkels approval ratings are at an all time low and she is reaching for straws.
10:41 October 17, 2010 by tallady
Merkel and Seehofer both agree that multiculturalism is dead,,I would believe from this that a majority of Germans agree with them..The number of Muslims has been reported as around 4 million,not an over whelming number. Is all of this rhetoric just a pretext to justify upcoming anti immigration policies here in Germany and all around Western Europe that we are now seeing???
11:15 October 17, 2010 by michael4096
"They have lead Germany down the road of failure to a situation where each German must worry now about "commando style raids" on their cities."

Which germany do you live in? The one I live in is really quite successful and one of the safest places on the planet.

Perhaps you didn't notice
14:02 October 17, 2010 by wenddiver
Multi-cultaralism isn't dead! It just stinks like it's dead.
14:03 October 17, 2010 by bestman
This was bound to happen sooner or later. We can only hope this awakening on the highest levels has come in time to save germany and europe from a failed and disastrous immigration policy. In my opinion neither europe or america should continue to be immigration destinations. We have enough problems educating our own people.
14:29 October 17, 2010 by CanadianVoice
Just another perspective from across the ocean...

Playing the race card every time is wearing thin. As a Canadian who has seen firsthand how a host country's infrastructure can be worn down (social services/health care) financially, due to a lack of assimilation or contribution, I think it is imperative for immigrants to integrate much more actively.

Reciprocity is crucial for a system to survive.
22:21 October 17, 2010 by giltedged
Germany has NO burden to carry, save that it was defeated. The Russians defeated the Germans and tens of millions of them were killed. The Americans and British destroyed the beautiful German cities and roasted hundreds of thousands of Germans, for basically no reason. (I even found out this year that the only town in Pantalleria, a small island south of Sicily, was deliberately destroyed by the Americans, to impress the Italians! ) There was no need for tens of millions of Europeans to kill each other and be replaced by Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis and Africans. And one thing is for sure. We Europeans will not fight each other again.

As a Southern European with not a trace of German blood, I am glad that Germany has found its voice, and reestablishing trading and other We look to Germany to LEAD in banning the veil and banning minarets. Germany MUST speak LOUDER than other countries in stopping the unneeded and unwanted Islamization of Europe. Slience is not an option.

Therefore Germany cannot speak LIKE other countries who have succeeded in banning the veil or banning minarets. Germany is NOT free to do so and SHOULD NOT be free to do so and silence is not an option.

Germany must SPEAK with awareness and responsibility. It has insight into the

futility and danger of multy-kulty. Knowledge about it demands that it speak out and acts. That would be the RESPONSIBLE thing to do. More leaders like Mr Seerhofer should speak out.
10:50 October 18, 2010 by tallady
giltedged...I assume there were a few pages missing from your history book.

Would it interest you to know that the Germans were the first to drop bombs from the air..(people that live in glass houses should not throw rocks)

Have you talked to anybody who's family was in London during1942-44.

Following Germany's defeat 420 Generals were interviewed by the Allies, not ONE said he was sorry for the destruction of Europe and the killing of millions of Jews Polls ,Russians ect,some even said " We should have waited with the Jewish problem until after we won the war.

Dont try to mollify Germany's role,everything that goes around comes around
15:08 October 18, 2010 by bestman
Yes the germans were monsters during the war and they got what they deserved. Its an ugly period in recent history but now we are considering a different question. Do the germans want to see the state crumble from within as a result of the hired help which refuses to integrate and doesn't share german democratic ideals and human rights? We and the germans did a pretty good job educating german youth to western values after the war but the current situation has changed - europe is fighting for its cultural life against a medieval religion that allows no quarter. The ironic part is that germany is now dependent on an infection that seeks to kill it or consume it.
18:51 October 18, 2010 by lecturenotes2009
the real fact, taken from de spiegel:


As it happens, there is no Muslim immigration to Germany to speak of. In 2009, a total of 721,000 foreigners immigrated to Germany according to the German Federal Statistical Office -- and 734,000 moved away. Of those who arrived, a mere 30,000 were from Turkey, roughly equal to the average number of people of Turkish origin who have left Germany annually in recent years. The rest of the Top Five source countries for immigrants to Germany were Poland, Romania, the United States and Bulgaria, hardly countries known for their outsized Muslim populations.

and talking about Turkish people, there are more going back to their homeland (emmigrating) than coming to Germany.


a la la la...
02:03 March 16, 2011 by Proud2bewhite
first of all its not nazi or racist to be proud of your white race if that was the case every black person would be a racist cause you are all so proud of showing how proud you are to be a black man/woman whatever stop playing the race cards cause you were slaves 200 years ago

second of all european countries are christian countries and should not be changed into islamic/jewish whatever countries european countries are good the way they are look at other religions people are dying of starvation diseases and immigrating cause your countries suck why fix something that isnt broken

thirdly its not just germans who are tired of the muslim and black people raping our white women and living on social wellfare i agree 110% with this man im not christian but id rather have our countries christian then islamic or jewish
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