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The Local · 17 Aug 2012, 10:28

Published: 17 Aug 2012 10:28 GMT+02:00

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A court told the Pro-Deutschland group on Thursday it could show copies of the Danish cartoons which sparked violent protests around the globe when they were first published in 2005.

This Saturday, the group plans to demonstrate in front of three mosques in the capital city under the slogan, “Islam does not belong to Germany – stop Islamisation.”

Around 70 participants are expected to drive between the mosques and hold rallies in front of them - as Muslims prepare to celebrate the end of Ramadan on Sunday.

On Sunday itself, the group is taking a tour around some of Berlin’s left-wing hot spots, in a further move which can only be interpreted as deliberate provocation.

At least half a dozen counter-demonstrations have been registered with the police for both days, spokesman Michael Gassen told The Local.

“The Campaign Against Racism is one of a handful which has registered to demonstrate along both routes on both days, in the same places as Pro-Deutschland,” he said.

“We are making it very clear that we want to talk with all groups concerned to reduce the risk of violence. We have had conversations with members of Muslim communities and they have assured us that they are calling upon their people to not allow themselves to be provoked. We are happy that these discussions have taken place.”

Details of how many police officers will be on the streets at the weekend were not available on Friday, but Gassen said reinforcements would be brought in from other states including North Rhine-Westphalia and Bayern, as is usual when larger operations are planned.

Pro-Deutschland was given permission to use the Mohammed cartoons after the Berlin Administrative court said it "rejected the urgent complaint filed by three Islamic mosque congregations to prevent the “citizens'” movement Pro Deutschland from showing so-called Mohammed caricatures in front of their premises during demonstrations on Saturday."

It said the cartoons were protected as "artistic freedom" and could not legally be considered as abuse of a religious group.

"Simply showing the Mohammed cartoons does not qualify as a call to hatred or violence against a specific segment of the population," the court said.

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Two police officers were stabbed and around 100 people arrested in May when similar demonstrations in North Rhine-Westphalia ended in violence as an anti-Islamic protest squared up to a group of fundamental Muslims.

Around 30 members of Pro-NRW, the North Rhine-Westphalia sister group to Pro-Deutschland, held up images of the cartoons, facing off against up to 600 Salafist fundamental Muslims who had formed a counter-demonstration.

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12:11 August 17, 2012 by mobaisch
Before other commentators start with their theories and ideas of free speech. I want to tell you one thing please.

Whether it is scientifically proved or not,,, as a muslim, if I see a person demonstrating in this way, I will definitely assume that he hates me. Should I hate him back? I am not sure, probably freedom of speech does not mean freedom of personal feeling towards someone.

P.S. I am not living anymore in germany. I came here to finish my phd and I am out. During my stay, I did not not claim social money neither did I take any euro from you.

ciao ciao
12:58 August 17, 2012 by smart2012
mobaisch, I am not muslim. U are right to hate those people, I hate them too, however bear in mind that those are idiots (and idiots are everywhere), and me and you are better than them (whichever religion we have)

In Germany at the moment this campaign against other countries (not just muslim, also south mediterranean), is increasing, thanks to poor political leaders.

Let's hope, however as I see the situation now, I am very concerned that we will end up in a disaster (history cycle is back at the end)
13:13 August 17, 2012 by Berlin fuer alles
Here we go again. Pit the muppets against the muppets. Fundamentalists of all religions only need a word to go at each other's throats.

All part of the great strategy from the elite powers that be.
14:37 August 17, 2012 by Eric1
Haters fighting haters.
15:02 August 17, 2012 by scottfree
Religion is the problem. The extreme forms of religion consist of xenophobia and racism, the mild forms are self-delusion and indolence. This is true of every religion. Don't forget that recently a German Bishop called for laws against Blasphemy, better know as free speech. So its not JUST the neo-fascists who are the problem.

Religion tells you that you have the right, no the duty, to tell all other religions that they will eternally rot in hell (but he's a loving God). Its only a shame that more Christians don't read their own book carefully and find all the hate filled tripe that really makes up their religion. The Catholics have only stopped spouting their hate filled nonsense in the last 80 years or so, because they understand it alienates anyone with a brain. Don't think your religion is better, this self deception is only because you are mildly non-religious and don't follow, or probably know the full edict of your religion. I challenge any "moderate" Muslims to do the same.

You want to remove anti-semitism, or anti-islamism from a society? Start by removing all connections with government (especially relevant in Germany). Eliminate all tax breaks for religions and make any religious donations to politicians or politics illegal. The churches, mosques, synagogues etc. would dry up and move out. And people would be kinder to each other and society less extreme.
16:38 August 17, 2012 by browndude
These discussions always leave me with mixed emotions. I do have muslim friends (men and women) who are really wonderful people. Islam as a religion is completly a different issue for me. Centuries of history cannot be forgotten or forgiven. Every place Islam went, other religious practitioners had to leave. It was more like the Catholic Inquisition in Europe that made the Protestents and Jewish people leave. With Islam, it always became voilent and more voilent against other religions. Some TV "scholars" will say "Islam is peace" or "Islam is love" or whatever, but I will believe it only when they will build a Christian Church, Jewish/Hindu/Buddist/Sikh Temple in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and Cario, Egypt. These 2 cities are the litmus test to prove that Islam is really making an attempt to accept other religions. Faith, like love, is a two way street.
17:04 August 17, 2012 by intensive_care
@browndude.... Centuries of history cannot be forgotten or forgiven, that is exactly what Muslims say as well. You don't have to go even half a century back just start from Iran and Iraq war till now. Tell me how many proxy wars western European countries have sponsored against Muslims. Not to include Latin America and Far-east.

So when say something better be careful in choosing words because ignorance is what world don't need.
17:12 August 17, 2012 by marimay
What a bunch of hypocrite losers.
17:30 August 17, 2012 by Edin

I drew some masterpiece artwork showing Pope abusing children... in all so many colorful ways... and say I go on the Christmas eve in front of the Berlin cathedral to show off how good artis I am. And maybe add some good slogan like F***'em all just to add to the performance.

what do you think would happen?
17:56 August 17, 2012 by browndude
@intensive_care - If Muslims think that a war is being waged on them, it is because they have always crept in slowly and then started destroying the Synogogues, Churches and Temples. Non-Mulsims (or Infidels) did not wage a war on Muslims for the fun of it. It is because their places of worship have alway be robbed/destroyed and a mosque built over them. Read your history carefully. I am choosing my words carefully.
18:01 August 17, 2012 by marimay
Oh, I see, browndude is insane.

Edin, I don't see why not. It would be just as what these people are doing. They think they are expressing free speech, and surely these kind people would agree you are expressing free speech as well and would have no issue. :)
18:23 August 17, 2012 by intensive_care

Since Muslims are so bad they deserve it, but what have Vietnam, Cambodia, Panama, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Mexico and Colombia done to be militarily or through drug been ruined? None of them was islamic countries and none destroyed worship places.
18:29 August 17, 2012 by Edin

You see, you got it all wrong. Those who are "expressing free speech" in this case, I am 100% sure, are actually the ones who will find them selves in that church on the Christmas eve and would go ballistic if anyone did that to them. There is no normal person who would not be offended by such acts.

Point is that this is a blunt misuse of free speech to spread hate between people. To be concrete it is to provoke the conflict with Muslims in Germany to show how they are all violant and should all be... kicked out or gassed or God knows what is in those haterd dark minds.
18:33 August 17, 2012 by bareq
Dear All,

I'm Muslim. I live in Germany to make internship. i have been here since may. You are nice people, cool, fun and open minded. of course not all but most of you. the Muslim and non Muslim are human. each one chose his bath in which he/she found.

Prophet Mohammed is very religious to us. and the photo is making any Muslim very angry. in which he will stop respect others.

I have christian friends in the middle east and from other country, we respect each other and help each other. no one is better than the other because of his name Muslim or christian but by his action.

Sir, i live in middle east and there is church in front of the mosques and we eat together and respect each other, yes Saudi is the only country that don't have church. ok so what .........

but why don't you look to all the other country, about Egypt there is a lot of church, but because the Muslim are much more that the christian the old government order to build mosques at that period, reason: Muslim more and no place to pray, we pray 5 time a day, its to hot to stay under the sun. and there are enough church for the christian.

sir, we live Muslim and Christians live in peace for more than 1000 year, Muslims had the chance to hurt anyone and no one could stop the roller at that time. but we respect as you now respect us.

I wish to finish my internship and go back to my country, i need to tell everyone how much Germany are wonderful and their people are cool and helpful not like what the move show us.

i hope we all understand each other, and start to realize we are all live in one world.

Best Regards
19:02 August 17, 2012 by Emason
so do we have "artistic Freedom" to write and admire Nazis?
19:16 August 17, 2012 by marimay
Edin. I was being sarcastic. I know its hard to detect in text form. Sorry. Haha.
19:42 August 17, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ browndude #6

You say - "Some TV "scholars" will say "Islam is peace" or "Islam is love" or whatever, but I will believe it only when they will build a Christian Church, Jewish/Hindu/Buddist/Sikh Temple in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and Cario, Egypt."

Well, I guess you are a believer then :)

"St. Andrew's United Church of Cairo is an international Christian church in Egypt. ... Its church building was completed in 1908. It is located at 38 26 July St. between Ramses and Galaa streets, just above the Nasser Metro Stop in downtown Cairo."

"Grace Outreach Church is a Spirit-filled, Full Gospel Church based in Riyadh, KSA."

I am pretty sure there are others too, bareq is saying the same thing.
20:21 August 17, 2012 by arf.ind5
Sahih International:

And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. (Surah Al-An'am:108)
20:41 August 17, 2012 by DinhoPilot
"We mussen die muslim aus..."

Where did I heard that!
22:05 August 17, 2012 by GolfAlphaYankee
@browndude #6

"I do have muslim friends (men and women) who are really wonderful people. Islam as a religion is completly a different issue for me. Centuries of history cannot be forgotten or forgiven."

funny how it is more difficult to hate "actual" people, people you know and interact with than to hate a group as whole.

I have a colleague like that, I wouldn't be surprised If I see him among the protesting crowds ... he always makes clear that he wishes that all arabs/turkes be sent "back home" (I guess if we were in the 1940s he would be advocating to send them to Poland!) but he also always ends by saying that he does not mean "me" ( I don't consider myself muslim anymore but I am from a muslim background).

... funny who hatred works sometimes
22:21 August 17, 2012 by zeddriver
One problem we tend to have as humans. Is a tendency to paint everything with a broad brush.

Most every religion or political entity the world over has committed atrocities of one sort over the course of history.

Yes! The Christian kings of the medieval era did go on crusades. But. The very first recorded crusade was done by Muslims and predates the Christians by hundreds of years. They got all the way to modern day Austria. So neither group is blameless.

The same with political groups in the form of national governments. I my self have never raised a fist nor advocated violence toward another country. Yet. Half the worlds population hates me. just because I'm an American.

I for one do not trust any political or religious leader that talks in absolutes. The Bishop in Germany is one. The same with the Imams that preach the total destruction of anyone that is not them. I look at the person that is saying such things and have disdain for that person. But I will not lump every person of that faith or political party/country into the same category as the leaders who spread such hate.

Those hateful leaders only serve themselves by trying to create instability to help themselves keep or gain power.
22:55 August 17, 2012 by blackboot11
The entire world would be a much better place without any of these 'organized' religions.... Athiesim has given the world many positive things for what most take for granted now. Read your modern history people....not a novella from the dark ages.
23:18 August 17, 2012 by zeddriver
@ blackboot11

There goes that broad brush again. And what about governments? Do we get rid of organized governments because people from a government abuse their power. In most if not all cases. The form of government is not the main problem. It's what the leaders do with the power that the people give them. unfortunately, Most abuse that power.

The issue with a religion stems from the same. A powerful person from within said religion that misrepresents the religion. Jim Jones is an example of that. There is not one word in the Christian Bible about suicide. Yet this guy twisted verses and used his power and charisma to convince people to kill themselves. This was not a problem with the religion it self. Jones was an evil person passing himself off as a Christian. And his followers did not or were afraid to ask questions.
00:35 August 18, 2012 by peach_loving
We need peace, harmony and integration. To provoke any group of people is not a good idea for integration process. Eventually, war and hatred brings nothing except disaster. We shouldn't repeat mistakes like previous centuries.
09:28 August 18, 2012 by browndude
@GolfAlphaYankee ¦quot;I don't consider myself muslim anymore but I am from a muslim background.¦quot; You should consider yourself a Muslim or at least practice some sort of spiritual life. Wherever you go never deny your religious background. I do like the way Muslims pray together.

@ChrisRea Nice listing of churches. What about the other places of worships like Jewish Synogogues, Hindu/Sikh/Buddhist Temples? If you dig under those grand mosques like Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and several major mosques (Hindu/Sikh/Jain/Buddhist) across the Indian subcontinent all have a religious place of worship. Probably you have couple of token churches in Cairo and Riyadh only to please the ¦quot;Franks¦quot;. Why don¦#39;t you build a major Synagogue or a Temple too?


The Islamic countries which are loaded with money can invest that money education in Science and Technology at home. Instead, they spend money on exporting Madrassas and buying lots of weapons to fight the Infidels. That is the sad truth.
11:32 August 18, 2012 by V28
I have an Iranian scientist in my group who thinks stoning women for adultery is fine. So, you can imagine the mindset of the lesser educated. Muslims are just smart at playing the minority card. Ever wondered why every small incident is taken as an attack on Islam? It's because they are a minority. I do not want to live in a country where they are in majority, because they tend to impose (having lived in the middle east for 3 years). Why is it that no minority group has flourished in an Islamic country? Saudi Arabia follows Darul Islam, which says no minority group should setup their place of worship. Pakistan has witnessed a tremendous decrease in minority numbers, mainly by forced conversion and massacre. I talk out of experience with Muslims at different levels of intellect. I hope Germany does not commit the same mistake as India. There is a growing sentiment in India against these uneducated people, and a lot of Indians feel that all Muslims (100%) should have been evicted in the 1940s after the partition with Pakistan. Now, there are communal clashes between muslims and other minority groups in India. It has become an absolute nuisance.

P.S: I respect Germany, because people are progressive and logical. I hope this does not turn into a xenophobic sentiment, or be confused with it. It might devastate Germany the second time around.
11:36 August 18, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ browndude

Yes, what about other places of worship? What is your question? If you seriously ask why don't I build a Synagogue or a Temple, I would answer that I am not a builder and I am not interested in supporting religion. Where did you get this question from?

Anyway, I am satisfied knowing that, according to your own words, you consider Islam to be a religion of peace. It is a little step towards turning ignorance to cultural tolerance.
11:45 August 18, 2012 by browndude

I, for one, do not think Islam is a religion of peace! When I used the word "You" it is for the Islamists or Islamic coutries that try to prompt the rosy picture about its followers.

@bareq #14 "Prophet Mohammed is very religious to us. and the photo is making any Muslim very angry. in which he will stop respect others."

Isn't that feeling true when Muslims destroy places of worship of the non-believers of Islam?

History can never be forgotten nor forgiven. That is the unfortunate truth.
13:59 August 18, 2012 by Rohland
Mocking Mahound and depicting him in various negative ways is part of European Judeo/Christian civilization.He's depicted in many works of art in various ways often in Limbo or hell,German wood carvings exist going back to the middle ages where he is depicted as a drunken sloth and as the devil.Don't try to change us and make us follow your backward culture and religion Muslims.We don't like your prophet he was a evil imposter that continues to inspire Muslims to commit heinous acts of violence and evil.That this issue is even questioned and people were arrested for displaying depictions of Mahound is a disgrace for any free society but Germany especially which has a long tradition in depictions of Mahound.
14:25 August 18, 2012 by browndude
In my earlier comment, I was trying to say "...Islamic countries that try to promote..."

@V28 Well said!! In the Indian history they are trying to conceal all the atrocities that Muslims have committed over the. They tend to use the term "Jewish Holacaust" when it is convenient for them.

@ChrisRea Although the NYC World Trade Center is not a religious place but there is a mosque planned to be built there. Destroy and build a mosque. A typical signature, isn't it?
14:28 August 18, 2012 by bareq
Mr browndude,

please do you know this:

The Promise to St. Catherine:

"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

also you can see the Covenant of Umar

sir we have radical people who don't understand Islam well, those who we need to correct.

second thing sir if Muslims destroy church or temples then why didn't we do that before 1000 year ago, why until now there are Jew and Christians live with us.

but there are some book when i hear what it contain about Islam, I'm sure they have wrong information.

I agree with you "History can never be forgotten nor forgiven. That is the unfortunate truth",I agree but what History and what truth!!!



Read "the main sectarian divide in the region is between Sunnis and Shiites, but it seems that Samaha¦#39;s latest campaign was directed primarily against Christians "

Best Regards
17:44 August 18, 2012 by zeddriver

I do on occasion hear moderate Muslims speak out against the radical element within their religion. Unfortunately those that do only seem to be speaking at a whisper.

Remember the pastor in America that said he was going to burn the Muslim holy book. Most everyone in America yelled from the roof tops, Got on T.V. and proclaimed loudly that this was wrong. He was so vilified. That he didn't go through with it as planned. And instead did it later in secret. And was again vilified after he did it.

I want to hear that kind of passion from the moderate Muslims. I don't want the moderate Muslim to continue to whisper their disapproval of radicals into my ear. Then say only a little in public.

Until there is a cleansing of radical Muslims from within Islam by fellow Muslims. Most in the non-Muslim world will remain distrustful.
08:29 August 20, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ zeddriver

Köln, 22 November 2004 - "More than 20,000 people, most of them Muslim, have demonstrated in Germany against terrorism and for world peace."

That's pretty strong for a country with basically no Muslim terrorism.

@ browndude

You say - "I, for one, do not think Islam is a religion of peace!" and in the same time you say that you will believe that Islam is a religion of peace when you will learn about Christian churches in Riyadh and Cairo (post #6). You found out that there are Christian churches in Riyadh and Cairo. Are you confused or what? Do you want to take back your words?

You say I am an Islamist, probably because I stood up against your allegations. Following your logic, if I stand up for women's right to vote, that will make me a woman.

You also say: "Although the NYC World Trade Center is not a religious place but there is a mosque planned to be built there." Really? What world do you live in? There is no mosque planned. Where did you get that? On the ground where the Twin Towers were, it was erected the National September 11 Memorial & Museum (planned in the immediate aftermath) and the One World Trade Center is also approaching completion.
09:50 August 20, 2012 by BobbyBaxter
Peace loving Muslims - pull the other one:-

10:04 August 20, 2012 by zeddriver
@ ChrisRea

I don't view it as the same. While their actions are commendable and is a start. The folks in America that at least tried to stop the book burning pastor did so at his door step. Not from the safety of a place far, far away.

The passion I'm talking about goes beyond talking. Real action is what is needed from within the Muslim churches in the Islamic countries. Not from the safety of a free country. I.E. Like a community watch that reports to authorities when they see or hear about terrorist actions or plans.

In my eyes. If your brother or sister Muslim is going to commit a crime and you say nothing because they are your Muslim brother or sister. Then the moderate Muslim turns to me in the form of a protest from within a free country and says. I really don't agree with my brothers and sisters. That does nothing but exercise one's vocal cords.
10:06 August 20, 2012 by browndude

Where did I say "Islam is a religion of peace"?

Having a token church does not make it religiously tolerent country especially when the church goers are harrassed. I can say "Guten Tag" to my colleagues/neighbors but can't speak a freaking word of German. Just because I can say "Guten Tag" does not make me a German.

Google this guy "Premanath Pereralage Thungasiri". Talk about religious tolerence.

You seem to have a very myopic vision of future because you want to ignore and not learn from the past.
10:34 August 20, 2012 by raandy
Persons practicing the Islamic faith are" generally" more faithful to their religious beliefs and spiritual leaders than Christians.They take it far more seriously than the average Christian(not the extremist). The Islamic faithful living in a non Islamic country often are in conflict with the liberal views of the host Nation. Their children start to become involved with non secular views and become less traditional than their parents.Their reactions are often the result of this conflict.

I think it is generally accepted that the more prosperous a society becomes the more liberal it becomes and less faithful. These are the considerations that people of Islam need to consider when moving to a country to achieve a better standard of living through prosperity. Its a double edged sword.

I would think after a generation or two the problem or religious conflict will diminish.
17:53 August 20, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ zeddriver

Muslims not only from Germany, but all over the world, including Islamic countries, repeatedly condemned terrorism. Take a look here: http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

If the Western media does not cover this actions, it does not mean that they do not happen.

Muslims Against Terrorism is actually the first Anti-Terrorism NGO in the world (founded in 1998, http://www.m-a-t.org/).

@ raandy

Do you have factual information to back up your statements? I recently heard the opposite, namely that the Christian are following the Bible much more inflexibly as the Muslims (and we know that, for example, the Catholic Church is anything but liberal).

@ browndude

You ask - Where did I say "Islam is a religion of peace"?

My answer is: at #6, as I pointed out also in my previous post.

I am glad you dropped your false idea about Ground Zero. It is a good start.
22:04 August 20, 2012 by Kharabish
Thanks all,

I am from Cairo, for the comments saying no churches in Cairo, i dont how did you know that there arent, we have hundreds in Cairo all of them are of same size of mosques or even bigger although we have only about 8million Christians out of ninty million egyptain which means they are minority , I would like to tell u also that the sixth of Jan. which is a Christian fest is a national holiday in Egypt, but for Saudia Arabia this is our holy land , do u like we bild a mosque in the Fatikan? I dont think so and also yourpreits, Saudia is out of question. The other thing we have and you don't , its by Islamic law it's not allowed to make fun or protest against other religions ( specially in their fest) , it's allowed in Egypt the church bell to ring for your prayers, u don't have all this here, this because in Islam to be a believer you must believe in all prophets and books and words from Allah I.e. Christianity and Jewish. I think you always hear from one side which is your media, I used when I want to know something about Christianity I ask my Christian colleagues to tell me the truth and to hear from the opposite side.
08:57 August 21, 2012 by dr.makni49
In my view, seeking a tit for tat option would not be productive. Being a Muslim, I would advise my brothers to just ignore until some one reacts in self defense to ward off any physical assault. I am sure the law of every land permits that. No demonstration but go silent in public and seek redress through lawful channels and Media platform. See the magic of this courtesy.

A few hoodlums would vanish on their own when public opinion would largely tilt in Muslims favor. Germany as a state does not have a streak of bias against any community. Help the state in maintaining law and order as well as calm. Be nice guys of society.
07:32 August 22, 2012 by browndude

Go read and re-read my posts on this thread. The main gist has always been that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. Get the word it is NOT a religion of peace!! Islam is NOT and will NEVER be a religion of peace!


If you are a Mullah using the name ChrisRea (nice Christian name for a camouflage), then the above link would make you very happy.


Why is it limited only to the Christians? What about other populations like Jewish, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc?! I have pointed Christians as an indicator. If you are blind to the news, every minority faith is experiencing a quiet exodus from Islamic countries. Islam is anything but a peace loving religion!

History should never be forgotten nor forgiven!

Over and out.
11:54 August 22, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ browndude

Oh, we are talking now on a personal note? However, you are right in this regard. I have indeed a Christian name. So yes, I guess you realise that my parents were not Muslims. And no, I am also not a Muslim.

I re-read your post. You clearly stated your opposition to Islam and also that you will change your opinion (i.e. you will believe that Islam is a religion of peace), and I qoute, "when they will build a Christian Church, Jewish/Hindu/Buddist/Sikh Temple in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and Cario, Egypt". As you were presented with evidence that it already happened, the conclusion is pretty clear - you believe now that Islam is a religion of peace. You would not take your word back, would you?
14:12 August 22, 2012 by browndude
@ChrisRea - I apologize if I came too strong on my last remark!

When I say Non-Islamic places of worship in an Islamic country, the presence of some rubbles or a dwindling devotee population does not mean or prove that Islam is tolerant of other religions. If you want to be blind to the news that other faiths are fleeing Islamic countries then your level of concern is different. In Afghanistan, the Hindus and Sikhs are asking UN for asylum in any country because life is no longer tolerable with the daily threats against them. In Pakistan, Christians are leaving. In Kashmir, the bombs are getting closer to the Hindu temples. In Southeast Asian countries it is a similar story.

One last point ­ I am not a Christian but I love the European Churches and Cathedrals!! They are very pretty, masterpieces of architecture and find them serene to sit in them for a little while. My concern is you guys will pillage and convert these places of worship like Hagia Sophia in Istanbul (for one example).

One drop of water at a time and in time even a stone will have a hole in it.

History should never be forgotten nor forgiven!
20:45 August 22, 2012 by ChrisRea
@ browndude

Do you have figures to back up your statements? For example, the churches in Egypt seem to do pretty well to serve the 12-16 million Christians. That's not really "some rubbles or a dwindling devotee population".

"My concern is you guys will pillage and convert these places of worship" - don't worry, me and the guys like me (i.e. that respect other cultures and religions even if do not agree with them), will be the last to cause harm to places of worship. You should better pay attention to intolerant people (towards Islam and other religions) - Pro-Deutschland for example. Be very circumspect especially with those wearing brown shirts.
22:24 August 23, 2012 by crm114
@randamutada - now your just putting words in my mouth instead of answering the question, i never said that there is a deficit of churches or indeed blamed anyone for it, I simply pointed out that many islamic states do not permit or encourage non muslim worship. If you feel that the accoutrements of religion are restricted, it is done for a reason, see previous mail. of course you treated like a terrorist, thats because your brothers and sisters around the world have declared war on unbelievers, and are killing them and your own brethren who follow a slightly different flavour of islam, what the hell do you expect? even christers have days off from being tolerant. you need to take a deep breath and re-read what i wrote, you quite capably cut and pasted it but clearly the message did not sink in, ALL religion is stupid but some religions are MORE stupid than others. Racism is not dislike of religion, the clue is the word race. it is completely unnecessary to study islam in order to determine if it is tolerant or not, i just open my eyes and see what is perpetrated in the name of the religion of peace, actions speak louder than words.
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German kids get glowing report for their English skills
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As if multilingual Germans don't already put many English-speakers to shame, now the younger generation is improving their English skills even more.

Berlin museum controversially recreates Hitler bunker
The reconstruction of the Hitler bunker. Photo: DPA

Sensationalized or compelling history? Berlin museums clash over new Nazi bunker exhibit

Germans think they're fit, but they're really couch potatoes
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There's been an increase in the number of Germans who define themselves as "fit", but their lifestyle choices don't quite match this self-perception.

10 fascinating facts you never knew about German beer
Tennis coach Boris Becker and his wife Lilly at Oktoberfest 2016 in Munich. Photo: DPA

From malt and monks to Radlers and rivalries, the story of German beer is as rich and wonderful as its selection.

Intensive farming 'endangers a third of German species'
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There are 32,000 species of animal, plant and mushroom life native to Germany. Due to intensive farming methods, one in every three of these is endangered, a new report shows.

German hospital uses therapy to 'treat' paedophiles
A poster from the campaigne "Don't offend", which offers therapy to paedophiles. The sign reads "Do you love kids more than you'd prefer? There's help." Photo: DB Scholz & Friends / DPA.

A unique German initiative is offering therapy to paedophiles to control their urges, with the aim of getting them help before they offend.

Minister: 'no tolerance' for clowns after chainsaw attack
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Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière has called for a zero-tolerance approach to 'killer clowns' after a series of attacks culminating in two teenagers being chased by a clown wielding a chainsaw.

Baby who was auctioned on eBay taken away from father
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A German court ruled on Thursday that a man who put his one-month-old baby up for sale on the online auction platform eBay should only be allowed contact with the child under supervision.

Portugal's ruling party calls German minister 'pyromaniac'
Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble. Photo: DPA.

The head of Portugal's ruling Socialists called German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble a "pyromaniac" on Thursday after he criticized Lisbon for reversing course on austerity.

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