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The Local · 15 Mar 2012, 08:32

Published: 15 Mar 2012 08:32 GMT+01:00

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A spokesman for the Federal Migration Office confirmed that the letter, reported in the Münchner Abendzeitung, had been sent and that it was no mistake, but added, “An infant would never be deported without its mother or father.”

He said that all new-born children from families claiming asylum were checked and that the asylum application for the child was refused if a child was not threatened with political persecution in its parents' homeland.

Every asylum refusal automatically generates the “leave Germany within seven days or we will deport you” letter, he said.

Die Welt newspaper reported on Wednesday that the baby’s parents, who live in Munich, would have had the chance to apply locally for a residence permit for their child, but seemingly had not done so.

The migration office spokesman said he would not comment further on the case in order to protect the family’s privacy.

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09:09 March 15, 2012 by Bosporusanwohner
Aaaah, how I LOVE German bureaycracy!!! Their stupidity is only excelled by their ignorance!
09:18 March 15, 2012 by wood artist
I could be wrong, and perhaps it's just a "translation thing" but if the child is currently in Germany, and isn't being requested by another country, i.e. a warrant for arrest or charged with a crime, the child would be "deported" and not "extradited."

In general English usage, the word "extradite" means that another country has requested jurisdiction over an individual, and "extradition" is the process of transferring said person from one country to another under those terms. "Deportation" is the term properly used (in English) to describe someone who is being "forcibly evicted" from a country, usually because of visa irregularities. In this case, the child would be "deported" because the request for asylum has been denied. If the child is not "threatened" it's likely the other country doesn't much care one way or the other. Of course, the child could be threatened by non-governmental entities, but the government wouldn't be involved directly in that situation.

It's not a big thing, but there is a big difference in meaning. I took the headline to mean that an 8 month old child had been charged with a crime in some other country, and Germany was preparing to turn the child over for prosecution.

09:27 March 15, 2012 by The Local Germany
Thanks for your comment Wood Artist, you are right and we have altered the story accordingly.
09:52 March 15, 2012 by jpl82
I was warned about this when my son was born. You need to fill in the forms with the Gebutamt I was told within the week but looks like you might get more time. They probably want to force the parents to fill in the forms. But deporting a child should not even be considered as an option. if seems the problem is with the system rather then the parents. Giving them a fine and at last resort a call from the police would surely be enough.

My german wasn't the best at the time and I could see how some of the many forms could be filled in incorrectly leading to this. No allowance was made for my difficulty in understanding and indeed I the response was given was "here take all of the many long forms there's a mistake in there somewhere but I won't tell you what it is" . On my third attempt my forms were begrudgingly stamped and recorded.
10:18 March 15, 2012 by taiwanluthiers
I don't know... I am calling BS on this.

If it was USA it would be more plausible because USA regularly deports people who have immigrated into the country at a very young age. I've read somewhere that Germany, or many (but not all) other country for that matter would not do anything like this. But then USA would never send you a letter saying "Leave the country in 7 days or we'll deport you", they simply come, arrest you, and deport you a few months later.

I think like the poster above they're probably trying to force the parents to do their paperwork like they're supposed to.

I would not be surprised if the US immigration authorities have deported infants or young children before.
10:40 March 15, 2012 by auniquecorn
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14:06 March 15, 2012 by zeddriver


The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Although it should be changed so that the child would still be a US citizen as the constitution mandates. However. The constitution does not have a provision that grants citizenship to the parents of said baby. And since the parents are in the country ILLEGALLY and the child needs it's parents. The child needs to be sent with the parents to the country in which the parents are citizens. When the child reaches the legal age of emancipation they should be welcomed back should they want to return. A dual citizenship of sorts. The term for illegals trying to have a baby the minute that they illegally come to America is "anchor baby"
17:30 March 15, 2012 by Illogicbuster
taiwanluthiers babbled, "If it was USA it would be more plausible because USA regularly deports people who have immigrated into the country at a very young age."

Umm, no. The US doesn't deport young people who have immigrated. The US deports people who have BROKEN the law and have ILLEGALLY immigrated. Work on your basic reading comprehension.
19:05 March 15, 2012 by taiwanluthiers
There are many stories of people who came to the US as an infant or at least before the age of 10, and have been deported for whatever reason when they reach adulthood. Would you say they broke the law knowingly?

But then sentiment seems to be, with respect to immigration law is that anyone who breaks them is tried as an adult, regardless of the age of the immigrant when he/she came into the country. It would be absurd to try a 6 year old boy as an adult for crimes as serious as murder, why do the same with immigration?

The American concept of justice is indeed very much a double standard.
22:16 March 15, 2012 by zeddriver

Care to quote one of those many stories.

I have never heard of any child being deported. As most children do not get to the US by themselves. They are however brought here by their parents. And as such. When the parent is deported for being in the US ILLEGALLY (key word there). The US government expects them to also take their children with them.

The closest thing that I can think of that you may be confusing with a child being deported is a case of the government finding out that a child's parents are illegal do to some circumstance involving the child. But that will cause the parents to be deported with the requirement that they take the child with them. If the child is old enough (to be on their own) and has been in the US a very long time(most of their life). They can plead their case to the immigration office. doing that will still not stop the deportation of the parents.

If they (a child) are merely brought here. That does not fulfill the requirement in the 14 amendment that you are either born or naturalized to be considered a citizen. Crossing the border is not enough. If however the family is in the US LEGALLY they can apply for immigration.

Legal green card immigrants are only deported if they commit a serious offense or it is found that they have a warrant for arrest in their home country. Or if the home country applies for extradition from the US of a green card holder for crimes committed in the home country.
03:09 March 16, 2012 by boopsie
Thats a frightening picture Chango Mutney. Europe's monied class is so eager for cheap labor that it is indiscriminately importing the third world and all the problems that come with it. If I were british I would be incensed about this issue. Not only is the EU demanding to set immigration policy no matter what the cost but it is appropriating british sovereignty as a matter of course. Good luck with the coming plagues, never mind the diminishing value of the british worker and the quality of life in merry old england and the rest of europe.
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