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Leftists wants police pepper spray ban

The Local · 16 Dec 2011, 09:11

Published: 16 Dec 2011 09:11 GMT+01:00

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Representatives of The Left made a motion in the western German state parliament’s home affairs committee Thursday proposing the ban under strong protest from police unions, according to the Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung (WAZ) newspaper.

At present, the measure doesn’t seem likely to pass parliament, although it’s creating widespread consternation among police.

The Left has said that pepper spray use by police contributed to the deaths of six people in Germany between 2009 and 2010, although it is unclear where it is getting its statistics. The party has also pointed to what they say has been its excessive use at the Stuttgart 21 protests and against football fans creating disturbances.

Though pepper spray is widely used by officers as a non-lethal method to subdue suspects, it can sometimes be dangerous to people suffering from asthma or allergies or people under the influence of drugs.

But the GdP police union said it remains an invaluable tool for police officers in a country where other supposedly non-lethal devices – such as high-voltage Tasers – aren’t generally used due to legal concerns.

"Police must be allowed to protect themselves," said GdP spokesman Stephan Hegger, who told WAZ that banning pepper spray could have unintended effects, such as prompting police officers to use their nightsticks or guns more.

The GdP has said that violence against police officers has been increasing as of late, perhaps prompting an increase in pepper spray use.

Pepper spray has burst into the headlines lately in large part because of recent incidents in the US where police have sprayed apparently non-violent protesters.

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Among the most controversial took place at a California university last month when a police officer repeatedly sprayed students affiliated with the Occupy movement who were protesting by peacefully sitting.

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09:32 December 16, 2011 by freechoice
dun be a wuss! don't you eat curry wurst all the time? what's the big deal about pepper sprays? across the Atlantic they are exploring death rays to fry the protestors or loud speakers shields to disable you.
09:49 December 16, 2011 by twisted
Tell me, would you rather be hit with a solid hard-wood night stick or be pepper-sprayed? I sure know which I would prefer having been pepper-sprayed in police training. Night sticks hurt, break bones, cause concussions. Police will always have the right to use both offensive and defensive measures one step above what the opponent is using. While I certainly do not condone excessive police measures, I do support the police in trying to maintain control of a person or groups of people. Pepper-spraying a non-violent protester was wrong as happened in the U.S. But when a protester attempts to fight a police officer, then the officer should use the next level of defensive measures.
09:53 December 16, 2011 by The-ex-pat
With enough lobbying, and comments about Nazi era policing, they should be able to get a ban sorted in time for the usual May 1st looting and vandalism.....................................................
12:01 December 16, 2011 by abu gerhard
Peaceful demonstrations often turn into acts of violence, which usually result in property damage to innocent retailers and vehicles. When demonstrators become destructive, aggressive and abusive toward the police, whose job is not only to maintain order but also to protect lives and property, then crowd control measures need to be implemented. If people want to be part of the destruction and violence, then they rightfully deserve whatever the police deem necessary to disperse the mob. Furthermore, those participating idiots suffering from asthma, allergies or under the influence of drugs who were gassed or pepper sprayed should go home and cry on their mother¦#39;s shoulder instead of looking for the nearest news reporter and claim police brutality.
15:37 December 16, 2011 by auslanderus
Lets see, take away pepper spray, billy clubs and there guns and then what will you have against a crowed of people wanting to break into peoples shops, cars, banks. Have the police turn there heads and do nothing,,,,Da. If you don't want to be pepper sprayed then stay away from where it will be used. So stop crying and use your head.
16:26 December 16, 2011 by storymann
Please do not give them tasers. I have seen how the police in the USA abuse the unarmed public with them.
18:08 December 16, 2011 by Landmine
While we are at it, let's have fight with no punches and wars with no weapons too!
18:38 December 16, 2011 by derExDeutsche
Lefties love to play 'Try to move me'. They are mostly young ignoramuses, so they think its fun. Everybody gets angry, nothing gets accomplished, the Police build up an even stronger force, and the Tax payer foots the bill. It accomplishes nothing. Everybody knows that there are many, MANY, better ways to favorably, and popularly persuade Public Opinion. However, Fighting with the police like the tribes on the Serengeti is just more fun.

I would prefer going back to the sticks.
19:47 December 16, 2011 by maxbrando
Storyman, you are a flat a.. liar. You have never, ever seen a taser used in real life. Stop the bs. Tasers are used on only the most violent and crazy people when they possess weapons they intend to use against others or themselves. You cannot give us any checkable facts on which you base you preposterous, extreme lie.
20:55 December 16, 2011 by carlm
Club em like baby seals.
09:37 December 17, 2011 by raandy
maxbrando You do not watch much tv do ya, check out the taser use on video by the LA police on a homeless man that died a few days after they beat him and tased him dupe.

09:56 December 17, 2011 by storymann
@maxbrando thank you for the inspirational words ,you are a true tribute to your ilk.

You can watch numerous videos of taser abuse, Google it , you know what I mean put in Taser abuse by police and you will get pages of hits an example :

Idaho police sodomize man with Taser,,this should be correctly up your ally :-)
16:27 December 17, 2011 by berfel
I understood that Police in Germany have to report every use of a weapon, to justify its deployment and to account for "munitions". The paperwork burden would already be a substantial disincentive to use pepper spray as indiscriminately as a bug-spray.

Lawful protestors behaving lawfully aren't going to be sprayed; not by Police in Germany.

Use of the other weapons available to the Police have much greater potential for severe injury or death than pepper spray. Take away the pepper spray and they will have to use those means to protect themselves, the law-abiding public and their property.

Unthinking protestors think only of themselves in that moment. They are on a "high". They cannot foresee the consequences of their protest.
10:09 December 18, 2011 by heyheyhey

you are either a pathetic pig cop yourself, or a dimwit SOB right winger.

STF up.

Ask anyone in the Us about their cops and they will tell you about the vast majority of US cops abusing tasers.
13:53 December 18, 2011 by hardly
I find more disturbing is the police in Germany wear no identifiable markers or name badges in such situations. If there is abuse of pepper spray, tasers, billy clubs etc. it makes it difficult to hold the individual officer accountable.
15:15 December 18, 2011 by XFYRCHIEF

You are really quite a funny person. I asked a lot of people here and not one of them was able to tell me about the "...vast majority of US cops abusing tasers.

I don't think any cop would "abuse a taser." Taser abuse is not a problem. There may be some cops who abuse people by using their taser, but they are not abusing the taser.

And, since you know so much, exactly how many cops carry tasers? I the city of Chicago it is only certain officers who carry them, and they have to receive special training. Also, consider the total number of arrests made by cops annually and the total number of "taser abuse victims." Finally, take note that the number of police officers killed in the line of duty and the number who were victims of violence has been increasing. You sound like one of those who has probably been in trouble with the law and blames the police for your problems. "If the cops would just leave me alone..."
17:42 December 18, 2011 by storymann
XFYRCHIEF, I am sorry Sir, but you really need to Google this. There was an incident where the police tased a 6 year old boy in a school some years ago.

Taser abuse is out of control. I hope you are not under the illusion that the police in America are generally benevolent.
17:53 December 18, 2011 by raandy
Hey, even Amnesty International has a complained about abuses by police using tasers in the USA.
06:13 December 19, 2011 by heyheyhey

Are you for real, man? Would you insult me, and the other readers by stating that the police do not abuse "their right" to use tasers? What planet do you live upon?

I have read endless accounts of people being horribly Hermes by police who use tasers for no reason that anyone can justify.

S, I must assume that you are one of the pigs who does, in fact, use them. Your attempt to discount my comments and defend police is disgusting.

AND NO.........I DO NOT HAVE ANY CRIMINAL RECORD, you arrogant, condescending @sshole. My life is squeaky clean.......I don't even drink!

Get your head out of your @ss, pig, and STF up!
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