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Hunt intensifies for man who killed daughter

The Local · 8 Dec 2011, 16:48

Published: 08 Dec 2011 16:48 GMT+01:00

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They say he is probably still armed and could be dangerous though, so are not recommending he be approached.

Fears are increasing that the 35-year-old man, who moved to Germany from Iraq in 2008, may try to leave the country, despite the presence of his wife and other children in Lower Saxony.

Detectives said he may have planned to shoot his daughter Souzan, as he showed up to a meeting with her and youth care authorities in the town of Stolzenau with a gun.

Souzan had moved out of the family home with the help of authorities some time ago due to family disputes. She was killed just after an attempt at reconciliation attempt between her and her family failed. When they walked outside following the meeting, the father opened fire at her in front of the rest of the family.

Souza was hit in the head at least once and died at the scene, slumped against a car in the street.

Detectives have spoken to her mother who is said to have witnessed the killing, but she told them she didn’t know where her husband is.

On Tuesday police found a car he is thought to have used to drive away from the scene, and searched some flats nearby, but found nothing of use.

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17:45 December 8, 2011 by Landmine
35!!! The guy looks 50 and cold blooded....
18:09 December 8, 2011 by Scuba Steve
....and he'll get what, 8 years??
18:37 December 8, 2011 by Whipmanager
Question: Did he have a gun legally or not? If not, where did he get it? If he can get it and he is no major criminal, than it seems that anyone could.

The Polizei could not protect this young lady, nor will they be able to protect her family, or others until he is caught. He killed once, he probably will again. If most everyone could legally have guns, I am sure the threat to the German public would be less. Teh German Public trusts in goo dhuman nature, that no one will over react. Was it worth it that this young lady fell and no one could do anything about it? Was her life worth nothing? IS the loss of one life ok, to keep a balance of power between the police and the bad guys?

This is not a rant against foreigners in Germany. As an American, I dont have too much of a dog in this fight. It is not anti-muslim because that isnt the point here. BUt, there is a cultural problem when one type of culture would rather see a kid dead than allow them to move on.

The question above by Scoba Steve is a good one though. How much time would he get?
05:33 December 9, 2011 by anaverageguy
What's the matter? Everyone too timid to say it? This isn't about a "bad guy", or gun control, or about trusting too much. This is about a FOREIGNER who for religious and or cultural reasons killed his daughter for the perceived shame she had brought upon him. Of course there's been no mention of that, but everyone knows it's probably true. Everyone has read the stories.

If you enjoy German culture and societal norms you really need to do something different. Cause this thing you're doing now? Well. It's not working.
08:30 December 9, 2011 by Jibzy
Hey anaverageguy, what if a GERMAN CHRISTAN had done this? Would you be yapping your cakehole like this too? Or are they allowed to do this?

I am very sorry to tell you this but the world doesnt follow what your step mom and step dad told you about life and religion. There are plenty others who hold his belief but dont kill their daughters. There are plenty of Germans who love their country but doesnt mean everyone has to kill Jews for that.

I hope you dont mind when i use stereotypes against you.
10:01 December 9, 2011 by catjones
Clever Souzan has taken up setting cars on fire and painting graffiti. He knows he'll never be found.
10:28 December 9, 2011 by freechoice
stay cool people, don't let your sins control you. always fight your own sins! your face/dignity should not have primacy over your kids lives. think about it! use your heads not your wee wee!
10:36 December 9, 2011 by Maschinenbau
The Problem is, that the media make this a big deal about a Foreign man killed his dougther. In fact this is the same if a german, christian did it. But the news make this a different. Not the first time.

A few years ago a German lawyer killed his whole family (include his two little girls, his wife) and afterwards hisself with a shotgut. Nobody asked where he get this gun. And after two days you never heard about it anymore.
13:10 December 9, 2011 by Jibzy
Maschinenbau: I agree with you 100 percent. And this particular site does the same thing.

Maybe they dont do it out of "dislike" for foreigners/muslims or whatever and just do it for their ratings or so that people keep coming back but nevertheless it is still wrong. Its the selective reporting that is creating hatred for each other.
14:03 December 9, 2011 by LecteurX
Hey anaverageidiot, if every FOREIGNER killed his or her kids who disagreed with them, there would be rivers of blood in the streets of Kreuzberg then...

What's your stance on this German guy who is currently standing trial for having abused his daughter for years and claimed it was "consensual"? How about this couple who imprisoned their son's girlfriend and made her their slave for a year?

How about getting yourself a brain?
17:08 December 9, 2011 by Whipmanager
The attacks on each reader above are funny, but, off course some. It was a foreigner, he did kill his daughter, it happens more often in his demographic than in any other. There are cultural differences, and those at times clash with the general public's idea of what should or shouldn't happen in their society. THe politicians plead for tolerance, and understanding, but at the cost of losing the identity of the actual society.

We are surrounded by idiocy, and not one culture has cornered the market on it. BUT, I will say that some are trying hard.

Germany is a great country with a great culture, being changed by force because the world sees germany as a threat. If they can dilute the populace, and make it multi-cultural, it will be a safer place for everyone that is not German. So I am ranting, and it really isnt so specific to this article, but it is better than reader/poster bashing
01:19 December 10, 2011 by anaverageguy
@ Jibzy:

What if a meteor had come down and hit her? Or she were gobbled up by Godzilla? This story is what it is. No what if this, or what if that. The guy killed his own daughter because he couldn't control her and that shamed him. Or so it would appear. This appears to be a fairly common thing in middle East culture. The question is: do we want to make it a part of our cultures too? I think the answer is no, but I'm not sure how to stop it. I do feel however that people need to recognize it and call it what it is. Saying that he killed his daughter because he disagreed with her attempts to hide what it was. Asking how he got that gun is COMPLETE misdirection. If he'd had no gun, he'd have killed her with a knife or run over her with the car. It was his honor after all.
13:22 December 10, 2011 by Jibzy

You are right. Next time when a German guy kills any human being for whatever reason, i'll just understand that this german guy is a nazi and that because of that, German society has a threat from becoming Nazis. It has happened in Germany so i dont see why i cant make that conclusion.

To answer your question of if we want to make it part of our culture too, well, no. We dont. You ask how do i stop it? Heres how you stop it.. dont kill your daughter. I wont kill her, you wont too. So between the two of us, that will be our culture. Hopefully the rest of Germany and maybe .0000000001% of Muslim population will also NOT kill their daughters..so there..we have a functioning culture of not killing daughters.

It is pretty ironic that a German guy (assuming you are one) is using stereotypes to hate a whole culture/religion. I hope you see where im aiming.
01:40 December 11, 2011 by anaverageguy
The point I was trying to make is that THIS case is obviously an honor killing committed by a middle Eastern man. I haven't heard anyone say that this is not so. THAT was my point. That the publisher chose NOT to call it what it obviously is. I don't even think religion is mentioned.

It is a cultural problem. In Istanbul in 2008 there were over 50 reported honor killings. There is no punishment for a man killing a female relative who has shamed the family. It's in middle eastern law.

You accuse me of hating a whole culture/religion (which was never mentioned). I will claim that I have said nothing of the kind. But I will now. I hate the part of a religion or culture that makes it acceptable for men to kill women who's only crime is that they will not be controlled. Will you disagree? You can not. No reasonable person can disagree.

But the situation remains. And you will be powerless to change it if you say to yourself that it isn't a problem.
09:34 December 11, 2011 by LiberalGuy

You do know that 50 murders in Istanbul puts it about par the domestic violence murder rate in most American cities don't you?
18:44 December 11, 2011 by anaverageguy
Oh, I'm sure. But "domestic violence" is a broad category that includes many different possibilities including spouses and children. If you want to make that comparison you need to break it down. How much of that domestic violence in the "most American cities" is the murder for female family members as a result of their bringing shame on the family. Not much, I'm sure you'd admit. No. The honor killing of women is something peculiar to the middle East. If you want more of it.... fine. If not then it must be recognized, called out for what it is and dealt with in the most effective way possible.
20:34 December 11, 2011 by LiberalGuy
Your right anaverageguy. I tend not to disect domestic violence and try to classify it further. Especially when it results in murder. I guess I just classify it all as the same horrible act.
08:22 December 12, 2011 by LoveLivingInGermany
The tragedy here is a young lady was killed and at the hands of her pissed off father.

If his beliefs allowed himself to do it and justify it in his brain.....that is another tragedy that a belief/religion allows him to justify it.

If he is mentally unstable.....what a shame his unstable mental health got that far.

She was taken out of the home for a reason......may the people who are in charge of the foster care system learn from this and possibly change how children are in contact with their parent(s).....especially if this (shooting) was done based off a belief/religion that potentially puts a child at greater risk then say a parent(s) who lost their child to foster care because of say alcohol......
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