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The Local · 30 Nov 2011, 16:18

Published: 30 Nov 2011 16:18 GMT+01:00

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It isn't easy being German chancellor these days.

For months, Angela Merkel was accused of failing to provide leadership during Europe's debt crisis. But after she prescribed austerity for debt-hit eurozone members, rejected issuing joint eurobonds and blocked making the European Central Bank as a lender of last resort, it now appears as if many in Europe preferred her previous lack of engagement.

And as the crisis has festered in recent weeks, ugly images of a bossy Germany have sprouted up from Athens to London.

Part of the British press, never keen to miss a chance to trot out tired Nazi clichés, has tastelessly made references to a Fourth Reich and portrayed German leaders as dictating economic terms to the rest of the Continent. Some Greeks have even taken to putting Merkel in a Nazi uniform along with their liberal use of swastikas at demonstrations.

Despite the cheap attacks - and some solid arguments for eurobonds - the German government's line has stayed firm: Berlin does not want to put more German taxpayer money on the line until Greece, Portugal and Italy put their finances in order. Jointly issuing debt would undoubtedly raise German borrowing costs - while potentially taking the pressure off more profligate countries.

The Germans are also extremely leery of making the ECB a so-called lender of last resort for euro members unable to borrow on the jittery financial markets. Amid collective memories of hyperinflation between the wars, Germany remains the strongest advocate against having the central bank print money with abandon.

Germany's economy has so far remained relatively unscathed by the debt crisis, but a poorly received bond auction last week set off a few alarm bells in Berlin. While the Finance Ministry played down the significance, some investors are apparently now looking to bond safe havens outside the eurozone.

There are good reasons against issuing eurobonds and making the ECB a lender of last resort, but many economists now consider either one or the other will be necessary to keep the eurozone from breaking apart.

And the longer the debt crisis continues the fewer options Merkel would seem to have.

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Marc Young



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Your comments about this article

17:39 November 30, 2011 by coffejohn
Germany only ever had two options, stay in at any cost to yourself or get out at any cost to your EZone partners.

In looking for the middle way you have shown the EZone up for what it is, a group of failures looking for a milch cow to suckle on.

As for your image abroad, forget it. As the new leaders of Europe you cannot expect to be popular.

Forget also your past, look to the future which rests in northern Europe. The club med is for holidays.
16:51 December 1, 2011 by derExDeutsche
Some would say, for EuroZone countries to lose their democracies to the whims of whomever holds the economic strings, is a 'cheap attack'. Especially, considering that these countries, now broke, were predetermined to do so. So obviously this has been the plan all along.

The argument that somehow people outside of Germany will or won't like the Germans because of policy, should never distract from MAKING THE RIGHT decisions. And certainly not respecting the sovereignty of fellow EuroZone Members will not win you any fans, either.

No Nazi comparisons? what about Napoleon comparisons? Julius Cesar?
17:13 December 1, 2011 by r2d2c3po
Get out now or the fiscally irresponsible countries will drag prudent Germany down. Save yourself while you can or pay the price of making the wrong decision.
00:08 December 2, 2011 by _JD
1 - The preservation of any possibility of social democracy depends upon the European project

2 - Any appeal to German nationalism or national interest is incredibly short sighted - a) because the euro is so helpful for German exports and more importantly because b) the rest of Europe would for good reason unify instantly in opposition to a resurgent nationalist Germany.

3 - the balance sheet of all of Europe, when considered as a whole, is better than the US - ie Eurobonds would be strong

4- the longterm prosperity of Germans (and Europeans) is dependent upon the prosperity of their neighbors - ie a marshall plan for Greece
02:28 December 2, 2011 by Cambooya
I say get out from under the EURO, it was a mistake to unite countries to the Euro, and not to unite politically first. As far as political systems in Europe go, there is to much of a difference between the French and the Germans let alone the Greeks, Italians etc. In Italy they don't even know what a incometax is or what gross wages are, they are experts in bribing, the same as the Greek. Even if you united a so called bankrupt Europe, what on earth makes anybody think it can be bailed out, or who would want to bail them out. If a way out exists, then let the beancounters/bond manipulators show it in black and white. Wether you unite or not, the money is still needed, and what ever value still axists, it will be sucked dry by the bond holders. If there is a way out after unification under the ECB, then there is also a way out now without that happening. Under ECB unification all you will be doing is causing inflation on a mega scale for all Europeans, not just for those who can't manage their households. The world is controlled by the powerbrokers, they also need to be brought to their knees, otherwise this will all just happen again, and no lessons will have been learned.
16:30 December 2, 2011 by derExDeutsche

1. Preservation of 'social democracy'? 'Social Democracy' that has NOT brought what it promised; Democracy, Prosperity, Stability, and Equality. In fact, it has brought quite the opposite.

2. Appeal to German Nationalism? You claim to be afraid of German Nationalism, yet stoke the fires of GermanFranco Euro nationalism? Germany can't trusted on its own, but in charge of the rest of Europe, it must?

3. Eurobonds would allow credit to the same people who abused the last rounds of credit. How well has that turned out?

4. Of course now that Germans are in position to be FIRST in line for all the 'prosperity'. I guess some democracies are more equal than others.
23:27 December 2, 2011 by rwk
Germany is right in being cautious in backing the debts of other countries. The Greeks are the worst example of a failed Socialist democracy, and Italy is following in it's footsteps. It really bothers be to see these Nazi characterizations in the press. Do others bring up Mussolini? Salazar? Franco? Papadopoulus? Cromwell? No...So stick to the real issues. Germans are responsible (well, except that they have abandoned nuclear power), and are tired of having to pay for the errant ways of others.
07:45 December 3, 2011 by Aasvogel
Merkel's primary responsibility is the German people - not the single currency. No currency is too big to fail. That, plus the small matter of Constitutional Law are reasons enough for her not to commit future German taxpayers to bankrolling profligate Club Med countries for generations to come. The German people might rather have the DM back: it would be an interesting exercise in democracy to find out via the ballot box.
01:09 December 4, 2011 by Deutschguy
What all of Europe is 'paying for' are the criminal actions and profligate behavior of Wall Street Banks, who fed an overheated worldwide real estate market with cheap credit and then sold bad mortgage loan packages as AAA quality debt, again worldwide. Goldman Sachs repeatedly advised the Greek government (and others) to issue debt and assured subsequent buyers that it was serviceable.

The subsequent losses were then "socialized", meaning that taxpayers and ordinary wage earners took the financial hit for them, not those responsible.

The financial misbehavior, and outright fraud, of Greece is not because of "socialism". It's because they issued debt allowed and encouraged by Big Banks, who didn't care about the underlying sense or morality of it, but only for the fees generated to them.

Germany and France can hold those countries accountable, in terms of forcing them to submit accurate, documented, and financially feasible budgets to an EU authority, in exchange for further support. This is no different than the US giving money to Germany to rebuild after WW II, with oversight and restrictions. The US even gave Germany its current political system, to prevent further "misbehavior".

The Allies built customers for the future and changed German nationalist culture. That is what the EU should now do for Greece and Italy. It will pay off for German workers and the EU as a whole for decades to come.
16:04 December 4, 2011 by coffejohn
In reply to Deutschguy, above.

How can you hold EZone countries accountable? What mechanism could you devise to force sovereign countries to do something they choose not to do. This line of action would result in a stand off between Germany and the other country, every other EZone state would run a mile and leave it up to you to sort out.

Your point about the Marshal Aid Program is interesting but difficult to see how it would be affordable. It should be born in mind that the US in making the gift did not tie it`s currency to the deal.

As for building customers for the future, bear in mind that good customers have the ability to pay up front. Lending to bad customers is how we got into this mess in the first place.
17:22 December 4, 2011 by luckylongshot
When the Euro was launched many people viewed it as a frankencurrency, designed as a stepping stone to creating a single world currency, which would give eternal control to the small group of private banks that issue currency in the world. Many thought the Euro was a weapon of mass financial destruction and what is going on now shows how they were right. This means the Euro is part of the problem.

To even consider trying to save the Euro is missing this point. What needs to be considered is how to replace the fractional reserve banking system so that the people of Europe through their governments reclaim the right to isssue currency and can do so without attaching interest to it. This is how banking has operated for most of history and how islamic banks operate today

Any continuation of the current system will merely enrich the private banks that control it and that are already according to some earning half the total income in the world due to this control. This must end.
17:23 December 4, 2011 by Deutschguy
@coffeejohn: "to force sovereign countries to do something they choose not to do."

It's called a carrot and stick approach. If your budget has to be submitted to an objective third party, before your legislature makes final passage, and is actually implemented, in order to be approved for future lending, then a country will submit its budget. And if a private bank chooses to lend to a scofflaw, then the Central Bank cuts them out of any borrowing or money parking network. Ouch!

It's not "THE PEOPLE" of a country who object to a fiscally responsible budget, it's the local elites who load budgets with pork projects and earmarks for political favorites. The private citizens of Greece hold their government in contempt for such practices. Once they know the budget is transparent and addresses actual investment needs, they'll support it.

As to your "currency not being tied" argument, the currencies are already tied. Also, there are plenty of 'good customers', including hundreds of thousands of small businesses, who rely on credit. If you cut their credit off, their business will fail. Simple as that.

And "we" didn't lend to them: big banks did, approving a faulty product.

As for national sovereignty over budgetary matters, give it up now. It's a joke being played on you by bankers and speculators in your own country who wish to hide income, bend tax and reporting rules in their favor, and not be transparent.

"National sovereignty" ceased to exist when capital crossed borders without supervision, monitoring, or public reporting.
05:28 December 5, 2011 by Herr Ober
@coffee john, "As for your image abroad, forget it. As the new leaders of Europe you cannot expect to be popular."

So true. The US has always been bashed for being on top, and when Japan was ascending one of their MPs stood up in parliament and said "We must remember, no one likes the rich man. The Americans gave billions, and what did they get? Yankee go home!"

The Germans can be as cordial and respectful as they want, they will still be "those dastardly Germans" in the eyes of all those who are not as successful as Germany is.
15:39 December 5, 2011 by derExDeutsche

Wall ST is now to blame for the Problems in Europe. LOL.

you sound like this guy. http://youtu.be/iW5qKYfqALE
16:18 December 5, 2011 by Deutschguy
@derexD: Your link is not a link. And that is not a proper address for youtube.

You can LOL all you want, but the beginnings of debt going bad, and bad debt being issued as serviceable debt, lies with Wall Street Banks, esp. Goldman regarding Greece.

Nobody is arguing that Greece and Italy did not overspend WITH debt. However, Goldman et al has a fiduciary responsibility to label debt vehicles that they sell as quality debt, to be just that.

Only greater integration among European nations can prevent future problems. And, only the bankers and speculators, incl. currency traders, want the Old Europe back. They were big fish in a little pond and called every nation's tune, with the help of easily bought off legislators/parliamentarians. Just like the US Congress.

It's time for the adults to take over. And a strong social safety net (which you clearly oppose) actually strengthens an economy, adds quality to a work force, and makes downturns less painful and of shorter duration.
16:35 December 5, 2011 by derExDeutsche
@ DeutschGuy

The link does not work? And that is not an address? How come every time I plug the address into any browser, it takes me directly to the video I linked to? LOL

The 'adults'? That's a joke. If you called the Communists, it would be accurate. How big was USSR again? Didn't they have all the wonderful things your 'adults' would put in place?

18:41 December 5, 2011 by Deutschguy
You always know a right winger has no argument when he starts throwing out the label "communist".

Putting regulations in place to keep banks from crashing the world economy which then forces taxpayers to bail them out has absolutely nothing to do with communism. You need a dictionary or an economics textbook to know what you're talking about.

FNMA and FrMac did have accounting problems, severe ones. But that does not change the fact that it was Wall Street who sold and resold mortgage packages labeled AAA and AA when they knew they piles of crap. That's what caused the crisis.

And, you never addressed the culpability of Goldman in issuing debt for countries who had no underlying basis to repay them. It's called due diligence and Goldman didn't perform.

Also, should you be under the impression that it was only Dems who proposed flaky programs for home loans, then you haven't looked at Bush Jr.'s "Ownership Society" programs, which put them all on steroids.

Again, regulated capitalism and a strong social safety net have nothing to do with communism or socialism. Educate yourself.
20:59 December 5, 2011 by coffejohn
Following on my comments to deutschguy re enforcing fiscal responsibility.

Your response is valid for a responsible government such as Germany`s, but not for chancers like Greece etc.

As we say in the UK "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". The rating agencies have just put Germany on negative watch in reponse to today`s summit.

16:27 December 6, 2011 by Deutschguy
Ratings agencies act on behalf of whoever will pay their fees. Their recklessness and fecklessness made them and Big Banks a lot on money, while screwing over millions of ordinary wage earning families.

They have no credibility. They might bully and intimidate, but everyone now knows they are not objective or honest.

And a Greece that must submit a budget (or for that matter, any country) for approval before they can spend a dime or borrow from any bank - public, quasi-public, or private - can be brought into line.

And, believe, the average working people of Greece would rather have that. Public sector workers in the street might make for good t.v., but it has no relationship to what a great majority of Greeks want. And, FYI, Greeks work more hours per year than Germans.
17:59 December 6, 2011 by coffejohn
As I say "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".

While this particular pudding may not be to the EZone`s taste, it is to the taste of international investors who are expected to buy bonds.

You may deny this fact until the cows come home but this chicken has come home to roost.

As for Greece submitting and being brought into line, well you may be correct about them but I suspect that Spain, Portugal and Italy may have other ideas.

And then you will have France to deal with, bon chance mes amis!

Oh well, I hope we all have a merry Xmas.
09:50 December 8, 2011 by derExDeutsche

'Again, regulated capitalism and a strong social safety net have nothing to do with communism or socialism. Educate yourself. '

Oh yeah? Are those going to be regulated like the Russian Elections? Regulated like Freddie Mae or Freddie Mac? Regulated like BAD Euro Bonds being traded that are going to go bad just like Toxic Mortages? Where should I be looking to 'Educate' myself?

You can always tell a communist by the fact that they never want to admit what they truey are. Just use coded language like 'social justice' and love of unions.
14:43 December 8, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ derExDeutsche

I think it is exactly the regulations allowing international observers that prevented the frauds in the Russian Elections going unobserved.

Freddie Mae und Fannie (not Freddie) Mac contributed to generating the crisis exactly because of the poor regulations. http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/18/fannie-freddie-regulation-oped-cx_yb_0718brook.html

Greece also triggered the related crisis because there was no regulation that could detect what was actually a lie (the figures submitted in order to be admitted in the Euro zone). http://www.worldcrunch.com/europes-leaders-are-staring-abyss-least-they-see-it/3978

So yes, you are right, reading about this issues can educate you on the matter of regulations. I hope the links I posted will help you. Good luck!
18:35 December 9, 2011 by McNair Kaserne
The EU and the Euro stole 1/3 of Germany's value and gave it to others. This is what socialists do, they redistribute wealth from those who have it to those who don't, and thereby have a (well-paying) job for themselves.

Bring back the Deutschmark!
22:28 December 10, 2011 by quiller
The European politicians and the European Commission put this Euro financial system together. They are now putting together new rules and regulations together to overcome the flaws in the old system. The same politicians, bankers and regulators are by and large still in charge. Next year Germany goes into recession and many other countries already in recession are having to pile on more and more austerity. Austerity never resolved a problem as regards getting economies moving forward. What do the current crop of politicians have to deliver to the people of Europe except another Treaty. Do people really believe that having made 10 to 12 attempts to resolve this matter that these political people have a solution to the matter. Bring back the Deutschmark - well what does that resolve. 15 more currencies added to the European pot (again).
10:34 December 12, 2011 by oftesheimkerl
The European Union was a stupid idea to begin with. I agree, get rid of the euro and bring back the Deutsche Mark. And then don't waste one DM visiting Greece. How dare they parody Chancellor Merkel in Nazi regalia. She is anything but and the best female leader ever. In my day, if it weren't for Germany, many a Greek during the Cold War years would never have achieved upward mobility and opportunities.
13:27 December 12, 2011 by axlathi
Parodying Merkel as a Nazi is stupid and unconstructive. But Germany's current prosperity is in no small measure the result of she herself being bailed out by the US taxpayer through the Marshal Plan after WWII, when all of Europe lay in ruin not because of irresponsible spending but by a vicious war of aggression perpetrated by Germany. Where would Germany be if the US taxpayers had said (as many did) that we shouldn't be helping out the one's who caused this war. Maybe this is time for Germany to return the favour?
14:44 December 12, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ axlathi

I hope you realise that US did not run the Marshall Plan due to philanthropic reasons. Most of the money involved were given to Germany as a loan, not as a grant. More than that, Germany had to spend the money by buying American goods and so supporting the development of the US economy.

We cannot but speculate about how would have Germany developed in the absence of the Marshall Plan. It might have been like in the case of Finland, with an economy that recovered to pre-war levels by 1947 without being included in the Marshall Plan (so much faster than all countries within the plan). Also the economies of France, Italy and Belgium recovered before the flow of US funds.

Former U.S. Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank Alan Greenspan writes in his memoir The Age of Turbulence that the economic policies of Ludwig Erhard (the German Minister for Economy) were the most important aspect of postwar Western Europe recovery, far outweighing the contributions of the Marshall Plan. So apparently Greenspan tend to disagree with your main point. But maybe you have more economic and financial experience than he has.

You should also bear in mind that the Allies restricted the development of Germany by dismantling its factories (until 1951).

In case you were not aware of it, many historians say that the Marshall Plan was plain American economic imperialism, and that it was an attempt to gain control over Western Europe just as the Soviets controlled Eastern Europe.
15:45 December 12, 2011 by axlathi

No need to get so defensive.

Obviously America also had its own interest in mind when it set up the Marshall Plan (though to argue that it was a plan to take control of Western Europe in the same sense as the USSR took control of Eastern Europe is over the top). And obviously much of the money was spent on buying American goods (just as much of Greece's current debt, for example, was spent on German goods like Siemens). And obviously Western European recovery was not due solely to the the Marshall Plan (I intimated as much in my short comment).

I'm not sure why you felt the need to launch into a cherry-picked historical harangue, especially since, though you seem to disagree with me, you make my point exactly. Namely that the US helped rescue Europe after WWII and at the same time helped itself. Win-win. And that by the same token, Germany can help out Europe in a way that will pay dividends in Germany's own long-term interests, economically, politically and historically.

And that by complaining too much about bankrolling European recovery it puts itself in a negative light with respect to the above comparison, which is a natural one to make.
15:48 December 12, 2011 by Steve Potts
The European Union Budget

The big contributors to EU budget are:

Germany which loses out to the tune of - 86 Billion

the UK (yes the UK) - 57 Billion

France - 51 Billion

Italy - 46 Billion

Netherlands - 24 Billion

although it is understood that major economies should support emerging economies, especially those in Eastern Europe, why does Belgium get 6.4 Billion more than it pays into the EU?
16:13 December 12, 2011 by axlathi

No need to get so defensive.

Obviously America also had its own interest in mind when it set up the Marshall Plan (though to argue that it was a plan to take control of Western Europe in the same sense as the USSR took control of Eastern Europe is over the top). And obviously much of the money was spent on buying American goods (just as much of Greece's current debt, for example, was spent on German goods like Siemens). And obviously Western European recovery was not due solely to the the Marshall Plan (I intimated as much in my short comment).

I'm not sure why you felt the need to launch into a cherry-picked historical harangue, especially since, though you seem to disagree with me, you make my point exactly. Namely that the US helped rescue Europe after WWII and at the same time helped itself. Win-win. And that by the same token, Germany can help out Europe in a way that will pay dividends in Germany's own long-term interests, economically, politically and historically.

And that by complaining too much about bankrolling European recovery it puts itself in a negative light with respect to the above comparison, which is a natural one to make. And misses out on a unique opportunity in a moment of crisis to be perceived as the Good Guy in the 21st century, and bury once and for all any lingering association with it Bad Guy reputation from the 20th century.
17:04 December 12, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ axlathi

Defensive? Maybe you wanted to use some other word, as there cannot be a defense where there is no attack.

My reaction was caused by your statement that "Germany's current prosperity is in no small measure the result of she herself being bailed out by the US taxpayer through the Marshal Plan". Greenspan and the others say exactly the opposite (that the Marshall Plan was of little help, if any, compared with what Germans did for themselves). So what I did was just to correct a point of view with little connection to reality.

Here is where we disagree. US did not really help rescue Europe after WWII (actually half of Europe was pushed in the arms of the USSR).

Don't get me wrong - it is the right of every country to follow its own goals (and this is what all of them do). That's why actually the word "help" is a bit inappropriate when talking about international relations (it is actually hypocritical). So Germany as well (or UK, or US, or France, or Iran, or any other) has no duty to help other countries/Europe. All countries will enter co-operations which are reciprocal advantageous and no moral duty results out of this.
19:16 December 12, 2011 by axlathi

Ahh, now I see what¦#39;s going on!

I was getting all ready to argue my point further, but was still a little perplexed by the tone of your comments.

I thought it a little odd that you were so peremptory about details regarding the Marshall Plan that were irrelevant to the original point I was making, and found your presentation of them a little too pat and facile to have been elicited by my comment. So I decided I¦#39;d better check the Marshall Plan entry in Wikipedia ­ the last refuge of the online sciolist! :-)

And lo and behold if I didn¦#39;t discover that virtually every comment you made about the role of the Marshall Plan in post-war European recovery was lifted almost verbatim from Wikipedia¦#39;s entry on the modern criticism of the Marshall Plan (complete with overt references to what Greenspan had to say on the matter in his memoirs).

Incidentally, just because Greenspan says something, doesn¦#39;t mean it¦#39;s true. If fewer people believed in the infallibility of Greenspan, we would never have gone through the dotcom bubble, which some other ¦quot;others¦quot; argue fed straight into the housing bubble that caused this near depression we're going through.

It¦#39;s also very odd to argue that half of Europe was pushed into the arms of the USSR by anything other than the fact that the USSR occupied that half of Europe.
20:57 December 12, 2011 by quiller
One of the major problems within the European Community political culture is that, I believe, the European people feel disconnected from the European project. The central command structure - Brussels, Ministers, Commissioners, Civil Service and Parliament - has a remoteness attached to it. It appears that edicts, laws and lectures are issued and have to be implemented into national law. These Euro laws are passed through national parliaments with cursory examination and boredom. Idiocy is all to easy to append to Europe - example : Vegetables were until recently unfit for sale due to shape, Fish are discarded back into the sea dead because they are quota prohibited. Examples such as these bring the European project into a discredited status. National regulation vis a vis the banking crisis was deficient but so was central control and the design flaw as regards control in the Euro project has led us to where we are. No admission of this aspect of the Euro project has been stated or accepted and had consequences for the people who designed it. More central command in respect of the fiscal situation will be akin to resurrecting the old Soviet Politbureau central command style of government.
21:25 December 12, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ axlathi

I see it is futile to try to show you where you were wrong in your initial posting. Otherwise you wouldn't have miss the relevancy of my first post and make pointless statements about wording.

You are right - nobody is infallible, not even Greenspan. However, if no additional arguments are made, his opinion (shared by the others cited in the Wikipedia article and not only) are a tad more relevant than the opinion of some TL commentator with unknown economical achievements.

Regarding the sacrificed half of Europe, you might consult the Wikipedia page on Yalta Conference and what followed. Let me know if you still do not understand the deal of recognising USSR's "right" of taking territories and controlling by military means the countries behind the Iron Curtain.
06:55 December 13, 2011 by axlathi

I must admit I¦#39;m a little impressed that you can retain such an undiminished haughty tone, despite having been exposed as a cut-and-paste pretender to knowledge. At the same time, of course, it is also laughably pretentious.

You can (and judging from your comments you do) believe whatever you like, but until you can make a more cogent connection between the Wikipedia factoids you show such a fondness for, and the fuzzy points you seem to be trying to make, I¦#39;m afraid I no longer see the point of this exchange.

I guess it¦#39;s been pointless all along, although I did hold out a little hope for a time that you might be capable of some level of interesting and original debate regarding current events, rather than simply obsessing over some irrelevant minutiae you read about on the Internet.

Have a good one!
18:57 December 16, 2011 by Englishted
@Steve Potts

"why does Belgium get 6.4 Billion more than it pays into the EU? "

Because the capital of Belgium is the main-station of the E.U. gravy train.
19:48 December 23, 2011 by neunElf
ChrisREa are you serious?

"Here is where we disagree. US did not really help rescue Europe after WWII (actually half of Europe was pushed in the arms of the USSR)."

Why don't you ask our friends in the former eastern bloc what they think of your analysis?

You sir are an idiot if you can see no difference between the USSR OCCUPATION AND SUBJUGATION of eastern Europe and the Marshall Plan!
07:20 December 24, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ neunElf

"Why don't you ask our friends in the former eastern bloc what they think of your analysis?"

I am ready to bet that I understand the Eastern Europe countries a tad better than you (considering the years I spent there and the fact that I speak two regional languages). What is your relevant experience?

Leaving aside your gracefully crafted words, I challenge you to point out where did I say that there is no difference between the USSR influence of Eastern Europe and the Marshall Plan. Or do you equate attempt with success and also consider that economic control has to be always exercised identically?
20:35 January 6, 2012 by koli
Respect among neighbors as well as among nations... means peace! So in order for Germany to survive the Euro has to make sure the neighbors loose their basic needs... interesting!
09:38 February 8, 2012 by Sastry.M
It appears to be an established fact in the western world that whatever the Germans do along with the E.U or alone in the E.U, the ultimate taste of resulting fruit of their toils will always turns out to be bitter.

The question points repeatedly on to the Germans : why at all God created them? The answer should be realized from within by themselves as' it is for the sake of Democracy in all Divine Creation' Therefore.it is obvious that if God should remain by their side under the motto "Gott mit Uns" then let them stand in His Trust up to the Truth of Democracy in an upright manner, and do not falter seeing the crooked shadows on ground shown by others by seeking their unmerited recognition.
03:08 February 19, 2012 by DavidtheNorseman
UKIP! (The UK Independence Party) Free the British Isles now!

@ Sastry.M - God created Germans because He loves them (He loves the other groups, too, but that doesn't lessen His love for Germans) and wants an Eternal relationship with as many of them as possible (that's were Jesus comes in).

He has given them the place between the French in the West, Russians in the East, we Norse (and those strange but lovable Swedes) in the North and the Austro-Italians in the South. With that in mind He had to make the German race rather resilient.... :-)
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Interior Minister Thomas de Maizière has called for a zero-tolerance approach to 'killer clowns' after a series of attacks culminating in two teenagers being chased by a clown wielding a chainsaw.

Baby who was auctioned on eBay taken away from father
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A German court ruled on Thursday that a man who put his one-month-old baby up for sale on the online auction platform eBay should only be allowed contact with the child under supervision.

Portugal's ruling party calls German minister 'pyromaniac'
Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble. Photo: DPA.

The head of Portugal's ruling Socialists called German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble a "pyromaniac" on Thursday after he criticized Lisbon for reversing course on austerity.

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