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Germany, allies storm out on Ahmadinejad rant

The Local · 23 Sep 2011, 07:07

Published: 23 Sep 2011 07:07 GMT+02:00

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The walkout began when a US diplomat who was in the assembly hall to monitor the speech left halfway through, while the 27 European Union nations then followed in a coordinated protest move.

The Iranian leader again cast doubt on the origins of the Holocaust and the September 11, 2001 attacks and criticized the United States for killing Osama bin Laden rather than bringing him to trial.

Ahmadinejad has in the past drawn international condemnation for his use of speeches to promote conspiracy theories and call for Israel’s destruction.

Ahmadinejad told the UN summit that Western allies had used the media to "threaten anyone who questions the Holocaust and the September 11 event with sanctions and military action."

The Iranian leader said he had been threatened by the US government after he last year alleged American government involvement in the attacks and called for an independent investigation.

Moving to the US operation to kill bin Laden, Ahmadinejad said: "Would it not have been reasonable to bring to justice and openly bring to trial the main perpetrator of the incident in order to identify the elements behind the safe space provided for the invading aircraft to attack the twin World Trade Center towers?"

In a general blast at the West, Ahmadinejad said: "Hypocrisy and deceit are allowed in order to secure their interests and imperialistic goal." "Drug trafficking and killing of innocent human beings are also allowed in pursuit of such diabolical goals," he added.

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07:51 September 23, 2011 by marimay
Very mature, guys.
09:06 September 23, 2011 by ChrisRea
From the article - Ahmadinejad told the UN summit that Western allies had used the media to "threaten anyone who questions the Holocaust and the September 11 event with sanctions and military action."

To me this does not sound like casting doubt on the origins of the Holocaust and the September 11, 2001 attacks, but raising the issue of free speech, which is quite a democratic value. The question about the US operation to kill bin Laden was asked before by most Europeans. For the imperialistic goals, drug trafficking and killing innocent human beings part, the article does not quote enough to judge the allegations.

So yes, from the information this article gives, it seems marimay is right.
10:32 September 23, 2011 by JDee
for the record, he never said he wanted to 'wipe Israel off the map' either, he said words to the effect that they might need a regime change within Israel. This was twisted and manipulated by ( I presume biased ) media and was used again by the US President in his speach about Palestinian statehood to the UN this week, he said, "Israel is a small country with much larger neighbours who have threatented to wipe her off the map" ( I paraphrase ), but this is a lie. Get on google, do your own research, understand the propaganda war. Ahmadinejad is actually being really clever, because we all know that 9/11 was covered up without a proper investigation, by lumping this together with the Holocaust he may awake tens of millions to the possibility that this was also a propaganda. By walking out of the room they are playing straight into his hands.
12:11 September 23, 2011 by elboertjie
Politicians that we pay to 'apparently' represent us run out like little upset children?!

They are thus only willing to see things that fits into their paradigm. So much for spreading the so-called democracy.

P.S. Germany is not a democracy, it is a republic and that is a big difference for minorities.
13:17 September 23, 2011 by maorsh
@ChrisRea: Is he obsessed with the Holocaust and push to allow "freedom of speech" (to DENY it!) because he cares about values of democracy and freedom of speech? Is he an advocate of freedom or speech and democracy???

What does the holocaust have to do with him and why would he speak about it on the UN, not in the context of an example for a horrible genocide in history?
13:27 September 23, 2011 by sebastian2010
google one third of the holocaust
13:55 September 23, 2011 by Louis Prince
I can agree with ahmadinejad.

Why did they simply kill Osama, no trial, nothing. I generally don't care if an alleged terrorist is killed on sight, but NATO doesn't follow my mind set. This time they just kill him, if you don't see some shady stuff in that, or atleast consider the possibility of a conspiracy you are ignorant as hell. Im not saying there exists a greater conspiracy, but realy it does look very 'silence the muppet' and it was the same case with the Nurnberg trials, torture and silence.

The largest indicator of dodgyness is the sensitive nature of all the NATO clique countries towards both matters, that is a textbook lying face.
14:13 September 23, 2011 by ChrisRea
@maorsh #5

Most politicians care about democracy and freedom of speech only when it serves their purpose. Ahmadinejad is one of them. However, the crux here is that when he raises valid points (according to Western values of democracy and freedom of speech), Western media like the article above misinterpret his sayings (as they did also with the famous quote about Israel).

Holocaust has to do with Israeli propaganda. And when Israel attacks Iran, then of course Ahmadinejad does what he can to counteract their propaganda. FYI Israel used cybernetic attack against Iran's nuclear reactors. According to the US definitions, such an attack is an act of war not different from a physical attack.

Please do not misunderstood me. I do not contest the Holocaust. I just try not to be influenced by prejudices (for example: Ahmadinejad is bad, so everything he says is wrong). I think it is quite important to look critically and with an open mind to what is happening around us.
15:05 September 23, 2011 by delvek
This guy is bad news. Iran too is bad news.

Anyone who spreads doubt about the holocaust clearly doesnt warrant an international stage, I wouldve left too.

@ Prince: explain why it is shaddy to kill a terrorist? A terrorist doesnt find it shaddy to kill children and innocents.
15:33 September 23, 2011 by ChrisRea
Yes, Louis Prince, please explain us why do we actually need a justice system? We could save lots of money spent on courts, judges, lawyers, prison. Police is enough. When they see a suspect, they just have to kill him.

Or we are not in the Stone Age anymore?
16:46 September 23, 2011 by Matt in Florida
you seem to leave out that He called for the end of the useless wars that the usa govt is spending it self into financial doom!
16:56 September 23, 2011 by Whipmanager
We should question everything. Find, with our own eyes and brains that answers, and see if they match up with the experts. If we do not do this, we will trust, trust leads to being fooled, and then we are the captives. I know this sounds like a mad rant, but really, with only 2000 characters, it is hard to get too deep into soemthing.

I love my country (the USA) but also wonder why Bin Laden wasn't brought in to be questioned, but if they already knew the answers, maybe they didn't need him to give it to them. Why was he found in such a nice house, how did we get in so clean, kill him with little resistence, and then take his body to be buried at sea? We had several people in the house when he was killed, a flash Bang could have rendered him unconscious and we could have asked tons of questions.

I am not saying there is a conspiracy. I am asking why we didn't try to water board the great leader, find out much more about his organization, teh wheres and who, the whats, I don't so much care about the WHYs. This was a hit, he was to be killed and not be able to be questioned. I just ask why? How did we watch him for several months, and then get him?

I don't questions the Holocaust, to me teh Jews have been punished for things done to God, in the old days. It is in our bible. They are the blessed / CHosen ones. They are a shining light in the middle east and we need to keep them alive. The Palestinians are just pawns, used by countries to make a point- who really cares about their future? I do, if they had soemthing to lose, maybe they would be killing people. Give them schools, food, houses, roads, industry- A real life.
17:03 September 23, 2011 by Aburgboy
I wanted to comment here with some links to the truth, but my comment was rejected. I wanted to point you videos of israeli soliders beating woman and children, invading lands and destryoing homes. I wanted to ask you how would you feel if you were treated like this for decades or if you would be the father of those girls in the videos that got abused and humiliated for no reason what so ever? Would ask for peace? or would lose your mind and do something crazy?

It is sad how the world looks the other way when Isreal is the biggest terrorist in the world. They have turned palestine into the biggest concentration camp ever known to man, just becase that is their holy land, says god.

I am an American... and approve this message. Vote for common sence and truth.
20:30 September 23, 2011 by DOZ
They left! Why were they there in the 1st place? So they could leave?
23:42 September 23, 2011 by ovalle3.14
The guy trolls and everybody plays along. No-win situation.
04:48 September 24, 2011 by djski
OK, lets get this strait. We are talking about the same guy who MURDERED his own countrymen for speaking up against him and his regime? LETS GET REAL HERE!
08:01 September 24, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ djski #16

No, we are not talking about Ahmadinejad (yes, he violently suppressed people talking against him while in the same time urging Gaddafi to allow freedom of speech). We are talking about the valid points he rose, how the Western media misinterpret his words and how childishly the representatives of Germany, US and their allies reacted.

It is not the first time he speaks about inconvenient truths about the US. An American summary of his previous speeches at the UN can be found here http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/22/world/un-ahmadinejad-speeches/. He speaks about CIA's (not anymore) secret prisons, extensive tappings of telephone conversations brought by the Patriot Act, thousands of innocent people being killed, injured or displaced as a result of US operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and so on. These are issues that US initially contested but then unwillingly admitted.
10:53 September 24, 2011 by NachtMusik
Ahmadinejad is speaking truth and most can't handle it!

So they walk out like immature butt-hurt snotty little children! And, this is our UN!! Effing Amazing. UN= Totalitarian World Police. I give props to Ahmadinejad for standing up strong in the middle of an intense never-ending storm! Everyone look into 9-11 and see why the US Gov's official story is a sham, a complete SHAM:



16:16 September 24, 2011 by Sastry.M
I think Mr.Ahamadinejad holds American scholarship and his freedom of expression is contrary to his New World learning.
17:31 September 24, 2011 by wenddiver
Poor twisted little man. No doubt if there had been a UN the cizilized world would have reacted the same way to Hitler or Mussilini.

I'm surprised he has time to speak, with killing gays, covering up women and running one of the third world's bigger totaliterian regimes, all that oppession must take up a lot of time.
17:31 September 24, 2011 by Louis Prince
delvek and chris.

Im not saying its wrong to kill a terrorist, I would shoot firts ask questions later. But unlike me the Amercans and NATO don't do things like this, they would rather say he should be put up for trial at the world court or something. Actually that is great because then, assuming he is guilty, we can find out why he did it and if maybe he had further plans of terror. Ultimately it's(Justice systems) about routing out the truth, so it's the reasons for killing him I find shaddy. Plus the fact that Osama had close ties with the CIA in the 80's. I'm just saying that the killing is out of carracter for the West.
17:33 September 24, 2011 by marktshark
The American's are amazing people, allowing this man into their country, letting him rant against them as us Westerners in general, providing him security after he just let two American hikers out of prison because a $1 million dollar ransom was paid.

This guy is a joke and perhaps mentally unstable.
08:40 September 25, 2011 by Englishted

The comment you made sums it up correctly .

that is the difference between us and them and I for one am glad I'm on the right (small r ) side.
11:17 September 25, 2011 by wenddiver
@Marktshark- Well said. We can only be glad that in the Western World we know that the truth is the truth, and no little totaliterian saying different will change that. We are blessed with the knowledge that the truth can defend itself, while no matter the size of the propaganda machine, nobody can sustain a lie.

Thank God, that England planted Parlimentarian Democracy in America/Canada/Australia and New Zealand and that we were not Colonized by Persia or China. Think how Militarily awful that would have been for the World and Freedom
16:05 September 25, 2011 by raandy
@ Louis Prince The USA had every right to kill Osama , he started it he mocked us ,he killed over 3 thousand innocent people, he got what he asked for ,a little late but better late than never. good riddins to that piece of garbage.
18:46 September 25, 2011 by michael4096
"The USA had every right to kill Osama ... he mocked us.."

"I don't questions the Holocaust, to me teh Jews have been punished for things done to God.."

Sometimes, I wonder which century we are living in.
19:35 September 25, 2011 by zaludu
Osama deserved to die, but US missed a huge opportunity: a public trial would have exposed Osama's bankrupt Islamic beliefs. But Obama made sure that no real discussion on Islam will ever take place on his watch. So, yes. Converting Osama in food fish was a huge mistake. On the other hand, keeping Osama captive would have incited muslims to more attacks and it would have been a PR nightmare. But this is not a reason not to do the public trial, cause half measures never won a war.
21:09 September 25, 2011 by ChrisRea
@ Louis Prince #21

You did notice the irony in my post, right? I added the last sentence so that my point would be clear.
23:14 September 25, 2011 by oftesheimkerl
We are looking at, not one of Satan's demons, but the Devil himself..
07:13 September 26, 2011 by ChrisRea
So, as seen in the comments above, when we do not have arguments against someone who revealed uncomfortable truths in the past, we simply demonize him (and sometimes twist his words).
00:16 September 30, 2011 by Aburgboy

I guess CNN, FOX News, and SKY where the only channels that forgot to say that there was a prisoner swap, it was not "pay a mil and get your people back". It was basically the same thing that happened with the Russians a few months ago, a spy swap, the only difference is they are calling this one a "civilian" swap.

Don't ever get your news for the mainstream media alone, browse about, read what other nations newscasters are saying. The truth is always somewhere in the middle.
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