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Greens MP says involvement in NATO Libya mission illegal

The Local · 19 Aug 2011, 11:57

Published: 19 Aug 2011 11:57 GMT+02:00

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Seconding 11 Luftwaffe soldiers to the NATO command required the go-ahead from the Bundestag in the first place, MP Hans-Christian Ströbele told the state television ARD’s Morgenmagazin show on Friday morning.

That they are involved in identifying attack targets makes them indirectly involved in those attacks – something which would also need the parliament's backing, he said.

De Maizière said the use of German soldiers in NATO commend was normal practice, and said that Ströbele was wrong in his understanding of the law. “This perception is legally incorrect,” he said.

He said if every secondment of German soldiers to NATO needed parliamentary approval, the country would not be able to fulfil its duties to the transatlantic alliance and could even be forced to leave it.

The government only admitted the participation of German soldiers in picking out targets for air strikes against the army of dictator Muammar Qaddafi after a parliamentary question from Ströbele, according to Der Spiegel magazine. A paper seen by the magazine showed that although the soldiers were involved in target assessment, they were not in leadership or decision-making positions.

“These activities mean we are secretly taking part in the Libyan war,” said Ströbele. He compared the Libyan case with the involvement of German intelligence agents in providing target information to US-led forces during the Iraq war, even though Germany was officially not taking part.

“Of course one can reject participation politically and from a moral standpoint,” a high-ranking Defence Ministry official told Der Spiegel. “But membership in NATO involves duties which one cannot simply shrug off.”

The Green party said last week it would file a constitutional complaint against the government over the army’s evacuation operation in Libya in February, saying Chancellor Angela Merkel was ignoring parliament too often.

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Even though the party had no problem with the Operation Pegasus in which German soldiers evacuated 132 civilians including 22 Germans from the Libyan desert, the constitution requires any armed operation to have parliamentary approval. This was a principle which needed to be upheld, the Greens argue.

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13:19 August 19, 2011 by ushiriches
This is illegal and it should be illegal but furthermore this is morally reprehensible. I am crying for the people in Libya because of what my country (UK) And an evil coatliton ore doing. The free press looks corrupt as we complain of others countries lack of freedoms and we portray a fiction of this one sided war! We have not declared war on Libya but are at war with her by air whilst our stooges and puppets and paid mercenaries on the ground instead of our soldiers are suposed to make it not a war. We have a thin mask of being the benefactors of Libya to liberate it whilst truly warring to recolonise and loot it under the auspices of a junta and puppet of nato countries! The revolution happened in 1969 and Muammer led the revolution. First he built homes for the Libyan people which they all own. His father died before he was housed as the people came before his family. In 1977 the Jamahiriya was formed and the people are the Jamahirya party so there are no parties only the party of all the mass of people in Libya. In this party, they can chuck out the prime minister 10 times in one day, they do not have to wait for years. they have a democracy unlike ours and superior to ours. The country still has work to do to hone the system and to make reforms and earth is not heaven as people are imperfect but this is ia great insiration to me! To say that Muammer is noble of heart and has captured my heart is the truth. after doing research on him and his trials too, I am gone on my hero of the people! The people do love Muammer as he said on TV and there is no western country where that can be said that after 41 years, the leader is still loved by the vast majority and loved so well. He has those who hate him and his detractors too but the wealth of Libya and its socialist policies where the people are put first and the poor catered for certainly do not suit all! There is an intolerance to those who want to dismantle the rule of the people as it is rightly perceived as an effort to take way power and wealth FROM the people of Libya as a whole. If elections were called the people would vote for Muammer Gaddafi to keep the Jamahiriya! They cannot call elections without the annihilation of most of the Libyan people for the result would not please the nato countries so they have imposed the unelected tyranny of the NTC, fictionally as a step away from tyranny and dictatorship really all the while imposing it. Gaddafi the grandad spends considerable time wiht his grandchildren, 3 of the tots were killed in a terrorist nato bombing attack aimed at Muammer. His son and grandchildren were blown to bits and recovered in bits and pieces for burial. The next day Bin liner's capture buried the news and as he was buried at sea and no pictures were available and the men who supposedly captured him are now supposedly all dead, one wonders at the fictions and evil of the world powers!
19:04 August 19, 2011 by Englishted

Please don't let us stop you going and fighting for what you believe ,people have done it before e.g. the international brigade in the Spanish civil war.

So of you go and godspeed.
03:42 August 20, 2011 by DrGideonPolya
The German Greens are correct - German participation in the Libyan War (and thence an horrendous Libyan Holocaust and Libyan Genocide in due course) is immoral and illegal as was also:

(1) German covert participation in the Iraqi War (in the period 1990-2011 1.7 million violent deaths, 2.9 million non-violent deaths from war-imposed deprivation), 2.0 million under-5 infant deaths - 90% avoidable and due to US Alliance war crimes - and 5-6 million refugees; Google Iraqi Holocaust, Iraqi Genocide) and

(2) German participation in the Afghan War (post-invasion, about 1.2 million violent deaths, 3.8 million non-violent deaths from war-imposed deprivation, 2.7 million under-5 infant deaths - 90% avoidable and due to US Alliance war crimes - and 3-4 million refugees plus 2.5 million Pashtun refugees generated in NW Pakistan; Google Afghan Holocaust, Afghan Genocide).

In 1945 Germans adopted a C4A (CAAAA) protocol of Cessation of the killing, Acknowledgment of the crimes, Apology for the crimes, Amends for the crimes and Assertion "never again to anyone". Germans born in the 1930s onwards can no longer plead innocence - they are now all involved in mass murder and war crimes on an horrendous scale (except for the Greens and the Socialists) .

Outstanding Jewish Hungarian American investor and philanthropist George Soros (who helped liberate Eastern Europe from Communist dictatorship) has demanded the de-nazification of the US. The same is now required of Germany that is today, like the Americans, in thrall to the Neocon American and Zionist Imperialists (NAZIs) and again involved in mass murder of people it evidently regards as untermenschen in Africa and Asia.
15:01 August 20, 2011 by Kennneth Ingle
It is all rather strange, the very same countries, which demanded in 1945 that Germany be completely disarmed, now keep using German soldiers to do their dirty work. This should be a cause of embarrassment to the German government of today, but instead they seem to have politicians who love it. The promise made - that never again, a war would go out from German soil - can be side-stepped by fighting along with the NATO.

The modern trend would appear to be, if enough people take part in an action which is perverted, then it is time to make it legal.
13:25 August 21, 2011 by storymann
The most common justification for war is the allegation that Gaddafi has been killing innocent civilians. Intervention to stop war crimes like the widespread killing of civilians has precedent in Bosnia and Kosovo. The unrest in Libya did begin, with peaceful protests, which Gaddafi attempted violently to suppress. The protesters then armed themselves and were joined by defecting units of the military.

All of this and the imminent end of Gaddafi rule does not impress as a leader loved by his people.

The major concern should be at this junction, is the power vacuum that will result,as it did in the revolution of Iran which turned quickly to an Islamic Republic. This would result in situation worse than Gaddafi.
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