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Revenge attacks spark fear of extremist violence

The Local · 28 Jun 2011, 15:33

Published: 28 Jun 2011 15:33 GMT+02:00

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In the past week, violence between the two sides has escalated. There have been several attacks on neo-Nazis, including assaults on high-ranking members of the National Democratic Party (NPD) and also on the xenophobic pro Deutschland group. These were followed by arson attacks on leftist premises overnight Sunday.

Some of the violence has been targeted against election campaigns ahead of Berlin’s city election in September. Berlin Interior Minister Ehrhart Körting told daily Der Tagesspiegel’s Tuesday edition that he was concerned about the danger of things spinning out of control.

“I fear above all that extremists follow every action with an opposite action,” he said. “That applies also to periods without an election. These primitive people of the left-wing extremists and neo-Nazis think in terms of revenge, as both move at the same brutal level.”

The 22-year-old wife of a neo-Nazi man prominent in Rudow in Berlin’s southeast was attacked by three men on Monday night while walking with her two young daughters and one-year-old son, who was in a pram, Der Tagesspiegel reported.

The three men jumped from some bushes and attacked the woman, but fled when a car approached. She suffered mild injuries to her upper body that did not require medical treatment, police said.

The paper reported that the woman was the wife of a prominent neo-Nazi who had himself been the subject of recent attacks. Police are now seeking the three men on suspicion of causing dangerous bodily injury.

Because of the apparent political motive, they have handed the investigation over to LKA 5, the branch of the Berlin police that deals with political crime. It was thought that the attack had possibly come from left-wing extremists, given the previous attacks on the woman’s husband, though knife attacks by so-called antifascists are unusual. The assailants spoke German, the paper reported.

As to whether the woman might have made up the assault, an officer told Der Tagesspiegel: “The investigations are still at such an early stage that we can’t rule anything out.”

In the early hours of Monday, there were five firebomb attacks on left-wing premises and residences in Kreuzberg, Prenzlauer Berg and Britz. One person was lightly injured in the arson attacks.

Over the week, the NPD’s Berlin state chairman Uwe Meenen was attacked by assailants with clubs. Also attacked was Torsten Meyer, a long-time member of the far-right Deutsche Volksunion (DVU) and who also represented the NPD on the local council of Lichtenberg in eastern Berlin.

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Meyer is now regional chairman of the far-right pro Deutschland party. He was attacked on Sunday in the Karlshorst area near an election stand. A pensioner was lightly injured on Monday when masked attackers threw buckets of paint at a pro Deutschland election stand in Tempelhof.

Interior Minister Körting said that as long as such far-right parties including the NPD were not banned, police had a duty to protect their election campaign activities.

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16:06 June 28, 2011 by William Thirteen
don't these idiots have jobs?
19:13 June 28, 2011 by Gretl
Is 'Young" now a synonym for "idiotic"? Let's see: three children by the age of 22, married to a prominent Neo-Nazi in, of all places, Germany. Yep, guess so.
19:56 June 28, 2011 by MJMH
The war has been over for almost seventy years. It's time Germany acts like a regular country and instead of pushing the extreme far right into the basement let them come out into the open. Its against the law to display the Nazi flag yet almost everyday there is some picture of it in the media. Anyway, I doubt the membership would increase if these parties were made legal. The same with the extreme far left. Half the attraction to these radical groups is the forbidden taste of it all. And allow a nationalistic party like they have in Denmark and The Netherlands into the government to dilute some of the attraction of the most violent parties.
20:03 June 28, 2011 by farmon
@ Gretl

How is starting to have a large German family idiotic? The current German population is not even replacing itself.
20:35 June 28, 2011 by whpmgr
It appears that the Neo Nazis planned this to get their people charged up for the vote. Since it is not usual for the left extremists to use knives, it seems that maybe the Neos decided to help their party along by faking an attack. I could be wrong, but it could be a fake attack to cuase more riots and unrest.

Their political party should be allowed, but look at Spain and Hari Batasuna. THey are just a legal arm of an otherwise totally illegal terrorist group. Giving the bad guys a venue to speak legally and do what they want in the dark that may not be acceptable.

One mus tbe cautious in how they proceed with these guys.
21:09 June 28, 2011 by vaninberlin
whpmgr> the article states "...though knife attacks by so-called antifascists are unusual." So, it would seem to me that this attack is either: the real thing (I feel sorry for the innocent children who had to witness it), or it was faked by some not so smart fascists...
21:55 June 28, 2011 by harcourt
No wonder the Germans don't want to fight abroad, they are too busy fighting amongst themselves
23:30 June 28, 2011 by wenddiver
Isn't this how 1937 went? The industrialists support the extreme right to ounter thr violence of the extreme left? I would lock up both parties quickly. Anybody using violence in politics is too dangerous to be around my family.
02:30 June 29, 2011 by StoutViking
@farmon You mean by getting knocked up 3 times by the biggest goon in the local bonehead crew, before reaching the age of 21, while having no profession/trade and living on the dole?

That's just going down the path some immigrants go.

Yes, the German population needs increace, but teenage pregnancy is not the solution but rather an increace to the problem. I bet you that "lady" is standing in line for the child support cheques, right along with Turkish mamas of 7, hoping to overrn them by the age of 25.

Why can't people just get educated, have steady income and a financial foundation before getting married and starting a family?
03:48 June 29, 2011 by hOU
LOL. Keep it on topic, Motormouth.

There's nothing wrong w/ starting a family early - and I'd like to see you work your way up the industrial ladder while mothering 3 ...
04:49 June 29, 2011 by wenddiver
@Stoutviking- Unfortuenately the demographics of the entire Western World prove that after college and career most women don't have children. The majority of my Sister's friends have cars, careers, money, and no children. As a way forward it is death for Western Democracy. There is something systematicaly wrong when a society doesn't care if it continues as long as it can continue to shop.
07:45 June 29, 2011 by T.J. Morton
@wenddiver - Do you have any references to support your claim the most women from the entire western world don't have children after earning a college degree and starting a career? It's a bold claim that should be backed up with some evidence.
08:41 June 29, 2011 by delvek
@ TJ

Its not a bold claim as she is reporting a fact based on the sample size of her sisters friends.

I also think of the women I know the majority have favored careers over mothering. There are a few things in terms of existence we can count on, if we dont replace ourselves we will no longer exist and if everyone were gay we also would no longer exist (naturally that is).
09:43 June 29, 2011 by freechoice
what about immigration?
10:01 June 29, 2011 by marimay
How does one expect to be taken seriously with tattoos on their face?
12:31 June 29, 2011 by zeddriver
@marimay, Just think. When he is old and saggy. (should he live that long) His face will end up looking like a Salvador Dali painting.
13:49 June 29, 2011 by T.J. Morton

So, based on my anecdotal evidence, 95% of career-minded women in the western world have children - that means that our evidence is a wash.

I know plenty of women who have successful careers AND have children.
13:52 June 29, 2011 by freechoice
Surely when one evangelize acts of hatred cannot demand an overflowing wealth of love showered upon them?
14:27 June 29, 2011 by LecteurX
@ Delvek

I quote you: "Its not a bold claim as she is reporting a fact based on the sample size of her sisters friends."

Now I quote Wenddiver: "Unfortuenately [sic] the demographics of the entire Western World prove that after college and career most women don't have children. "

What a useless thing to do to comment on other people's posts if you don't read those carefully.

It is a bold claim indeed as Wenddiver talks about "the demographics of the entire Western World". I guess that will include many, many more women than his sister's friends, unless said sister is, I don't know, Mrs Facebook or something.

Well, I happen to know a majority of educated women with jobs who have at least one kid by now (my friends are around 30). Does that prove anything? No. It's influenced by my own social background and the social pressures to get married and have kids are not the same depending on whether you're from a conservative Catholic background in France or a more liberal background in Germany...

So, back on our correlation between fertility (# of kids by woman) and education and work. Here are the 10 countries in the world where fertility was lowest in the last years, according to the UN:




South Korea



Bosnia and H.

Czech Rep.



So I guess this is the places where women are most educated and have careers, right?

Now here are some Western Countries with the highest fertility rates:

Israel: 2.8

USA: 2.1

Iceland: 2.1

N.Zealand: 2

Ireland: 2

France: 1.9

Norway: 1.9

Let's compare this with the following developing countries:

Ecuador: 2.6

Indonesia: 2.2

Turkey: 2.1

Brazil: 1.9

Thailand: 1.9

Armenia: 1.4

As It wouldn't be long to prove that many more women get a college degree and a career in countries like USA, Iceland, France and Norway than in countries like Ecuador, Turkey, Brazil or Armenia, I think you'll find the fertility problem a lot harder to explain than by blaming women getting a degree and working. BTW, Germany, is one of the Western countries with the highest obstacles for mothers on the workplace and one of the western countries with the lowest birth rates. In Northern Europe or in France, you don't have to "favour careers over mothering", you get both, although obviously, not as good a career as men do.

In addition, having kids with the biggest nazi around is certainly doing no good to the society.

And Delvek, you'd be surprised to know how many gay people have kids by the "natural" means...
14:57 June 29, 2011 by OkieinBerlin
@LecteurX, generally it's best not argue with the Local's Rightwingers. When it comes to research, they fall somewhere beyond willfully ignorant.
16:02 June 29, 2011 by T.J. Morton
I understood @Delvek's comment about @Wenddiver's evidence being based on a sample of only her sister's friends to be sarcastic.

Was I wrong in seeing the sarcasm there?

@Lecteur - my company has offices in both France and Germany, and my German colleagues, by far, have the best benefits when it comes to having children. Again, anecdotal evidence only...
17:46 June 29, 2011 by farmon

Got to hand it to you for doing your homework.
18:54 June 29, 2011 by Englishted

Only one small problem with you figures.

In the U.K. the most people having children are Pakistanis and Poles,

do these count as being British in you figures ?.
20:40 June 29, 2011 by MfromUSA

HEY GRETL, FARMON, GEEVES42 and the rest of you who want to talk about the # of kids someone has.............you certainly didn't do well in reading comprehension, did you?

What the hell do we care whether someone has kids?????

This article is discussing violence!!!!!

21:46 June 29, 2011 by wxman
It's always a great day when socialists confront and attack one another.
08:17 June 30, 2011 by T.J. Morton
Such anger @MfromUSA - I am glad you know where the caps lock key is!

And thank you for bringing up the painful memories of my failing reading comprehension.
08:20 June 30, 2011 by marimay

Your caps lock is on the fritz.
08:29 June 30, 2011 by Panzer_Fuess
3 men ambush a lone woman?

12:26 June 30, 2011 by lunchbreak
There used to be camps around here for these kinds of people.
13:37 June 30, 2011 by LecteurX
Yup the article is about violence. Violence is bad. Let's not have it and stop attacking 22 y.o. mothers. OK, happy now?

@TJ - maybe Delvek was sarcastic then. I hope so too but I'm not convinced. Yes your company evidence is anecdotal. I guess my employer also here in Germany treats women and mothers very fairly but I don't expect it to be the norm across the country.

@Englishted - don't know what to tell you about this. The figures are obviously about the women living in whatever country, regardless of nationality and ethnicity, so of course it also include women with an immigrant background. They say the same as you did in France as well - that the increase in fertility is "nothing to celebrate" as it's mostly women from foreign backgrounds having more kids than the native ones. Of course it's easy to guess where that sort of reasoning prevails. In the case of France, it's only partly true: North African women (by far the biggest immigrant community) have between 2 kids on average (Tunisia) or around 2.5 (Morocco and Algeria), so not much more than Frenchwomen (1.9 kid) or Northern European women nowadays, not more. You said the Poles and Pakistanis have all the babies in the UK - well it may be very true for south Asian women, but Poland? It's the 6th country with lowest birth rate worldwide, far, far, far below the UK average. So do you have any stats backing up your claim or is this just an "innocent remark" along the lines of "we're being overrun"? High-immigration countries like Germany still experience birthrate problems, whereas countries with very low immigration, or where immigrants are mostly white and European like Norway, Ireland or Iceland, boast high fertility and have always done so. Ireland, despite recent immigration, is still 95% white. Iceland is over 98% white. And the 1st "non-white" component of the Norwegian population is the Pakistanis, with... much less than 1% of the population, so Norway is also more than 96% white and "western".

So don't worry guys, White westerners have not unlearned how to have babies. In some countries they're very well capable of it and to handle educated, professional mothers at the same time.

Blame educated and working women for the baby crunch - that will only make the problem even worse.

Living off welfare and raising 3 future little nazis by the age of 22 is not doing anything good for Germany. But again, this young mother has a right to be respected, and those 3 people who assaulted her are nothing more than cowards and idiots who deserve to be punished.
19:42 June 30, 2011 by farmon

Big talk from the land of the most violent cities in the world and the biggest prison populations. Not to mention the nice movies they out.
00:13 July 1, 2011 by DavidtheNorseman
The Interior Minister is wise to be concerned and attentive. This is more like Munich just after WWI with the exception of radical unemployment. Both extreme right and left use extreme violence as a political tool. The moderate government leaders need to be supported in squashing this.

As to fertility....Wikipedia's "Total fertility rate" page is fascinating and in general, statistically, Wendiver is right both in the West http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/educated-women-having-fewer-children/ and in the developing world: http://www.prb.org/pdf07/powerfulpartners.pdf (look at the graph on the second page) More education = fewer children....endpunkt. (The question of what the desirable rate is is completely other except, apparently for Pakistan and Niger which are winning the race according to wikipedia....)
14:55 July 1, 2011 by dbert4
@freechoice- "what about immigration?"

Immigration is part of the problem, not the solution.
15:35 July 2, 2011 by Bruno53
Attacking a mother with kids I find it so repellent! But the increase of violence against minorities in Germany got me worry. You haven't learned from your history?
16:14 July 2, 2011 by Englishted

Try these links :



I didn't make it up , as for the Muslims simply to many and to different sorry if you think that is racist not meant to be but we are being flooded.
19:27 August 14, 2011 by bugger

Funny you don't show the numbers from Moslem countries. Sure we don't want to scare the natives Ali, After all Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Albania, are hovering around 5, 6, 7 children.

We will leave it to the bright natives to figure out if it will take one or two generations for them to become reduced to a minority

I guess you will call me a brown skinned Nazi for writing this nugget of truth.
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