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University: Guttenberg wilfully plagiarised

AFP · 6 May 2011, 17:04

Published: 06 May 2011 17:04 GMT+02:00

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Guttenberg, 39, formerly the most popular minister in Angela Merkel's cabinet, had admitted to "serious mistakes" in his 2006 legal dissertation when the matter was first revealed by the press.

He asked the southern German university to withdraw his doctor title, but denied cheating on purpose.

A university committee set up in the wake of the affair to look at the allegations found that "the standards of good scientific practice were obviously grossly abused and it was obvious that plagiarism was involved."

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Opinion polls have suggested zu Guttenberg remains popular in Germany where his Christian Social Union (CSU) party, sister party to Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU), would like him to return to politics.

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17:49 May 6, 2011 by Englishted
So a cheat and a lier .

Prefect for politics,but isn't fraud a crime in Germany?
18:21 May 6, 2011 by Kennneth Ingle
I am old enough not to be surprised and do not think that this is just a political problem, nor is it alone a German one. We should remember, that a doctor title is not given without the dissertation being looked at by so-called experts.

The issue is obviously to be blamed on the institutions which issue such titles and puts a poor light on the university and professors involved.

The old saying "not what you know, but who you know counts" still appears to be valid in the upper realms of European society.
19:08 May 6, 2011 by Landmine
I agree with Mr Ingle here, how about some reform on the very institutions that allowed this to happen. Guttenberg should not be the only scapegoat...
19:22 May 6, 2011 by EastPrussia
Ingle is certainly right about his point. Also, zu Guttenberg should not be the scopegoat, but he is. That's how it is if you are a visible public figure like a politician - you come under severe scrutiny. Is it fair? Not at all. However, I don't think plagiarism necessarily means he is unfit for his job, deserves to be forced into resignation, or that he is less intelligent. But he definitely messed up.
19:38 May 6, 2011 by jmclewis
Guttenberg Empty Shirt ............ lazy.............. looser!!!!
22:45 May 6, 2011 by s1reheid
I think you have to face different things:

It's okay to say he made a mistake and have to be punished.

But I think there were so many persons that haven't been punished but have made such greater mistakes than the copying of the doctor...

So many men and women have betrayed the partner or has beaten their children and I think this is such a greater mistake...

This shouldn't been an apologize, but it should been a second thought.
22:47 May 6, 2011 by MaKo
Well, then! I suppose it would have been good if the University of Bayreuth had willfully read through the man's thesis before awarding him the title!
23:17 May 6, 2011 by Zlik
You gotta love these honest Lawyers.

Whom among his constituents are "warning" theirs to never have their names mentioned in the same sentence, during Top Gala?
09:27 May 7, 2011 by harcourt
I'm afraid eastprussia has missed the point, if you have lied, cheated, deceived and have been intellectually immoral then you are definitely not fit to be in government. That's not to say that many with those defects are not in governments all over the world it's just that they haven't been found out......YET
09:32 May 7, 2011 by tallady
I would not call Guttenberg a scapegoat more like a culprit. He is a fake,he boasted a title he did not earn.

s1reheid I do have to face anything different if I choose not to.What kind of simpleton logic are you spouting about comparing child and spousal abuse to plagiarism? A second thought? he should have had one prior to calling himself Doctor.
13:36 May 7, 2011 by iseedaftpeople
Guttenberg never would have needed a doctorate to become a politician. True, quite a number of top politicians in Germany are "Doctors"... but in the end, it was just his hubris, his arrogance that led him to believe that a) a doctorate "gehört zum guten Ton", and b) that he could get away with cheating.

And Guttenberg is not a scapegoat. Like tallady said, he is a culprit and a fake. And let's be honest... nobody spends seven (!!) years working on a doctoral thesis, and oops, just by accident more than half of it is plagiarized. It does not make sense. Seven years spent crafting a thesis that is essentially a smorgasbord of other people's stolen intellectual property means he was well aware of what he was doing every single day he was working on it. If he was working on it at all, that is - we may never really find out, but I would bet a considerable amount of money that he had a ghost writer and never even actually read his "own" thesis, and simply handed it in believing that his ghost writer had done a decent job.

It would explain why he so vociferously dismissed any allegations when they first surfaced, and went on trying to play them down by saying that maybe he messed up on the odd footnote here and there.
20:09 May 7, 2011 by s1reheid
To tallady

I think that the persons in the gouvernment who said Guttenberg is not good enough to be in the gouvernment (I don't say he is good enough!!) have made so many things that aren't right but much worse than copying the doctor.

Although I think it was good that University of Bayreuth take back the title!
20:15 May 7, 2011 by Loth
I have to say this. It took this long for anyone to notice?
20:38 May 7, 2011 by Freeman
I would not be surprised if those who were connected to him in the cobweb of Poliitic, Real estate banking ...etc. ie. title, status etc.. Try to keep their distance. Especially When Table placements are considered in fancy eaterie. Right this way.
21:06 May 7, 2011 by strahlungsamt
Guttenberg's cheating is only the tip of the iceberg. This man is rotten to the core and is only popular because of his royalty status. Back when he was finance minister, he ran a shell company, Guttenberg roofing (forgot exact German name), which had a professional looking website and 3 employees. It's only purpose was to manage the billions in his family's Swiss bank accounts.

It's not like he couldn't afford to take the time off work. He lives in a castle with servants and horses and his family's been there since the 15th century. He could quit working tomorrow and live off his savings for the next thousand years in the lap of luxury so his excuse about raising a family is pure Kacke.

Now he has just disgraced a prestigious university, and in the process the entire German university system. He has kicked every student in the face who actually studied for their doctorates. It is irrelevant whether Germans are obsessed with paperwork or whether he actually needed a doctorate. What he did was inexcusable.

If this is the Great Conservative Hero that Germany wants for Bundeskanzler, I feel sorry for a once great nation.

This man belongs in prison and throw away the key.
23:02 May 7, 2011 by Zlik
We want names of those others Sir.
00:05 May 8, 2011 by brigand
Firstly, this story is so "washed out" I fail to see the point. Secondly, Guttenberg's dissertation should have been checked by the University before the degree was granted. Lastly, when will the fascination Europeans hold for "blue bloods" end? Jeezus, folks, so called "royalty" has done NOTHING to contribute to the well-being of the people. All they brought was war, corruption and despair. Quit holding on to this medieval mind-set and move on a get a life.
06:52 May 8, 2011 by MfromUSA
He is a narcissistic, self-serving SOB!

If Germany allows this man to participate in politics in the future then Germany deserves what it will get..........Germany will become ever more like the USA!

Don't go there. Keep the standards that you have. The USA politicians are all just like your Guttenberg.
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