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Diplomat attacked with döner knives

The Local · 4 Jan 2011, 15:53

Published: 04 Jan 2011 15:53 GMT+01:00

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The man was driving home with his wife in a car with diplomatic plates on the evening of December 27 when he flashed his headlights at another vehicle for driving recklessly, according to local media reports.

The driver of the other car then began to follow the diplomat and cut him off at a petrol station. At that point, the German got out of his car and started calling for help just before three men attacked him with the long, serrated knives used to slice the popular Turkish snack döner kebab from spits of rotating meat.

The diplomat, who suffered wounds on his stomach and right leg, was taken to the hospital after the attack. The German embassy reported on Tuesday that the victim was now in a stable condition.

The döner knife assailants have since been arrested and are being held on remand for gross bodily harm. The police do not at the moment suspect a political motive in the attack.

Turkish daily Hürriyet reported the diplomat, who was visited by officials from the Turkish Foreign Ministry and a member of the country’s Constitutional Court, did not blame Turkey for the incident.

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16:29 January 4, 2011 by storymann
I find this so typical of Germans,,can not mind your own business,leave it be ,not your problem,not worth risking your life over,,but the need to tell you what you should be doing or how you should be doing it is irresistible to most Germans , they are stunned when someone reacts in a negative manner towards them.

I cringe at some things they say ,and often think where I come from some one would take you out behind the wood shed and kick the s---t out of you.
17:02 January 4, 2011 by marimay
Was this his first time driving in Turkey? Could have happened to any nosey asshat.

Some of the driving I see around here is questionable too.. so?
18:04 January 4, 2011 by FigN
I have the same opinion as storyman, and it was the first thing that came to my mind while reading the article. Its none of your business !! They seem to not have learned the proverb "Live and let live" and specially when you are a guest at their country (like all diplomats are).
18:07 January 4, 2011 by Landmine
Betcha he won't be eating any Döner kebabs again....
18:42 January 4, 2011 by marimay
More for me!
20:01 January 4, 2011 by wpfaeffle
In other words: Blame the victim, right?
20:22 January 4, 2011 by bugger
Oh yea, because flashing your headlights is SO FU**ING OFFENSIVE that it justifies some slashes with knives at your body by buttangry retards, right. RIGHT?
20:55 January 4, 2011 by auniquecorn
Only 2 things come to my mind, Beat them with a brautwurst. or a snow shovel
22:07 January 4, 2011 by KamiZ
Tsk tsk. I have two words for all the people speculating what the germans would do if the situation was reversed and I'm surprised no one thought of this. The words are: german knives :D
00:25 January 5, 2011 by Prufrock2010
Another nonstory from The Local to inflame anti-Turkish sentiment. Read: anti-Islamic sentiment. What the hell....
07:53 January 5, 2011 by DoubleDTown
at Prufrock2010: it might inflame sentiment, but it IS a story. Even if it'd been a mere tourist it would be a story, but the diplomatic plates clinch it.
07:57 January 5, 2011 by hOU
Another example of why Turkey must stay out of the Euro Club. It's not a civilized country.
09:01 January 5, 2011 by jamano
I've noticed that turkish truck drivers are the worst.
09:06 January 5, 2011 by tallady
Morale of the story...mind your business.
09:47 January 5, 2011 by Gaffers
I find some of the judgemental comments here amazing. So he flashed his lights at someone who was driving badly. Who hasn't ? So what ?

Instead of highlighting the thuggery of the attackers you're criticising the innocent guy ? Grow up. It's this "he was asking for it" mentality which p*****s me off.
09:53 January 5, 2011 by tallady
Mining your own business is part of growing up....
10:04 January 5, 2011 by storymann
What I find amazing,,is this German diplomat in his most likely black mercedes sees a crazy acting driver in a foreign country and a culture that is renown for overreacting and in his arrogant manner decides he can either correct this behavior or show his displeasure with it by flashing his lights,.So What you say,,he damn near got his throat cut,,maybe next time he will mind his own business...
10:14 January 5, 2011 by Gaffers
Tallady. No it's not. Standing up for what is right is growing up. Bury your head in the sand while people do what ever the hell they like. What if this driving ended up causing an accident ? It says he was driving recklessly. Maybe he put the diplomat and his wife in danger because of it. He does not deserve to be attacked with knives for flashing his lights.

Flashing lights is not arrogant it's a normal reaction if someone puts you at risk while driving.

It seems he was German so therefore arrogant. Nice stereotyping there people. Would your reaction be the same if the diplomat was any other nationality ?
10:15 January 5, 2011 by freechoice
hmm.. i always thought flashing my headlights means you can go!

maybe I was wrong after all...
10:25 January 5, 2011 by tallady
Gaffers,,I am not defending the criminal behavior of the assailants,and i can only go with what was stated. There was nothing to be gained by infuriating these out of control people with drawing attention to your self as the results clearly did.,

Arrogance,,The Germans win 1st prize there...so the validity of this boils down to ,,was it arrogance or prudence ? my guess is the former ,you can take the latter.
10:34 January 5, 2011 by storymann
He didn't deserve to be attacked for flashing his lights???? since when is anybody who is robbed,beaten,and stabbed to death,, deserving?? does it matter in the end or is it just a matter of principal with you..
10:44 January 5, 2011 by Gaffers
Storyman, If your question was to me then it's a matter of principle and that's my point entirely. He didn't desrve what happened to him put people here are suggesting it was his fault because a) he provoked them by flashing his lights and even worse b) he was German and therefore arrogant.

The only facts we know are he was driving when someone drove recklessly, he flashed his lights and was then attacked for this. The assailants didn't know he was German so couldn't know he was "arrogant" so this point is irrelevant.

In the arrogance stakes the Americans have by far the pole postion followed by the French. I know very few arrogant Germans despite living in Munich and being married to one.
10:52 January 5, 2011 by storymann
Lets look at the word "deserving" we are not disputing that what these thugs did was deserving ,,what the point is that it is NEVER deserving when a crime or violence is rendered by an attacker ,so ,,it does not really matter when you are the victim if you deserved it or not,,because you have been victimized ..

Arrogance,,no Americans are not sure enough of themselves to be as arrogant,,The French,are better known for other virtues that we will not mention.

Now if your German ,then you are in denial ,if your not than you need to re evaluate your neighbors .
11:05 January 5, 2011 by tallady
Come on Gaffers....The assailants didn't know he was German so couldn't know he was "arrogant" so this point is irrelevant,,no its not..he was attacked and almost killed,,that is relevant enough,,flashing your lights was what caused this,,can't you see that...he would not been attacked had he could have continued on his merry way with out flashing his lights..the act was arrogant..and I am sure with the diplomatic plates it was not cryptic that is was GERMAN.
11:15 January 5, 2011 by michael4096
no Americans are not sure enough of themselves to be as arrogant
you are joking, right?

ignorance, arrogance and insecurity always seem to go together - and I'm not talking about Americans particularly
11:21 January 5, 2011 by Gaffers
I am not German, I am English so no denial issues here.

Flashing your lights is not arrogant. If it is then the majority of drivers on the road are arrogant based on the frequency this happens. He was attacked because he flashed his lights. Agreed but it was the MINDLESS THUGS that caused the attack. No9thing to do with him being German or arrogant. He only did what a lot of people would do, myself included. Therefore I must be arrogant because someone does something to put me at risk and I react by flipping a little stick on my steering wheel.

Diplomatic plates do not directly advertise the country of the Diplomat. They have a prefix i.e. Germany in the US is LW, in the UK it is a number range and in Turkey it is equally obscure. I doubt very much that the knife wielding thugs had time to google before cutting him off and attacking him.

The fact that is irrelevant is that he was German. you are making a link between German and arrogant which is not valid here. He could have been any nationality and still been attacked.
11:22 January 5, 2011 by tallady
I can see my writing is getting sloppy ,so will do a little house work..

No michael 4096 can't buy into that one,,but thats what makes the topics a laugh ,all these different opinions, I enjoy most of them ,even if I do not agree..even your illogical rants Logic Guy are amusing .
11:49 January 5, 2011 by slawek
This sounds a lot like the Turkish driver who was chasing me throughout Berlin. However the roles were reversed, he wanted to tell me how to drive - e.g. not to slow down below 50km/h in 30km/h zones, because this would slow others down. It was laughable. It didn't get me killed though, because I stayed calm.
11:53 January 5, 2011 by marimay

They just found a baby in a suitcase in hamburg. This must not be a civilized country either.

You should probably realize that this could have happened in any country. Unless you wear your ass for a hat...
11:55 January 5, 2011 by JSSL
I find most of the comments here rediculous except for Gaffers...If you have some much of hatred/ disliking towards the German why read a German news paper ( albiet in English)...Just move on. No one is asking you to read and call the Germans arrogant whereas most of you sound like either ignorant or just simply jealous towards the German..If you are so perfect, you wonot be calling others name!
12:25 January 5, 2011 by marimay
Yes. We are all just simply jealous towards the German.
12:39 January 5, 2011 by xx.weirich.xx
Since when is flashing your brights offensive?

I thought it was code for "there's a cop watching for speeders just ahead" lol
13:18 January 5, 2011 by Gaffers
I'm jealous of the success of their national football team but that's because I'm English :-(
15:56 January 5, 2011 by DinhoPilot

You'd be better being jealous of Spanish national team because they actually won something. 2nd, 3rd, 4th place and so on is not success, it's a good try! But off the football and back the story...

It sucks, the world is crazy place and full of crazy people everywhere. I think a defensive attitude nowadays is the best cause you never know how other people can react. Many traffic disputes end up in fights or shooting regardless of country, state, race, religion, etc...

And for those still delusional "WAKE UP", no where is safe in the world! The crap will just get crapier except a change of heart occurs in people! Crap happened here, now crap happens in Turkey!
20:35 January 5, 2011 by ColoSlim
no harm no FOUL

afterward the suspects were on the LAMB

OK which one of you cut the cheese?

BMW BeatMeWithin an inch of my life

Those Turks were sharpening their skills

You can SLICE it anyway you like it, those guys were wrong to CUT him off.

Sorry everybody I'm done now.
01:22 January 6, 2011 by Prufrock2010
Go to your room.
02:28 January 6, 2011 by fryintl
Mining your own business is part of growing up.... ..Mining your own business is only good for soemone who has a mine.

Coloslim- luv your wit...you get my vote for coolest post
11:12 January 7, 2011 by eleewhm
i agree with storyman comments too.. the Germans just dun understand . I have also got tired of Germans mumbling to me in parking lots and i dun understand sXXX.. and i shout back Dun understand... haa that seems to work
17:05 January 7, 2011 by DarExc
I'm sorry, I read doener and I phased out...I wish they sold them in North America donairs are not the same.
22:52 January 7, 2011 by surj
#19, Agree with you. see www.thereligionofpeace.com
09:47 January 9, 2011 by Satanya_SS
That would seem like perhaps the Germans aren't as welcome in Turkey, as the Turkish are welcomed in Germany.

Surprises me not, in the slightest.

12:00 February 25, 2011 by alpik79
Of course attacking someone jsut because they flased the lights is wrong and noone can support that.

General conculations on Turkey and international politics in this is even worse.

on Germans are not welcome in Turkey, though numbers are fewer the ir numbers ,Germans in Turkey, is increasing.They are invited everywhere and people in Turkey ask them questions to learn something about them etc. not rhetoric questions.
20:16 August 15, 2011 by JAMessersmith
If flashing your lights equals arrogance, then Americans are far more arrogant than Germans could ever hope to be. In Los Angeles, people flash their lights at reckless drivers all the time (although they rarely, if ever, honk their horns like in New York). In fact, if the driver is driving too dangerously, the opposite will happen as in this case, and the reckless driver will be accosted by angry townspeople, and/or police. When someone is driving around like a maniac and endangering everyone else's lives, they are not deemed to be simply "minding their business". Rather, we consider them to be a menace to society. In addition, most cases of "road rage" here happen when someone gets cutoff by a reckless driver. We rarely tolerate that kind of behavior. And out here, doner knives wouldn't do you much good.
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