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Holocaust-denying bishop to drop lawyer with neo-Nazi ties

The Local · 26 Nov 2010, 13:59

Published: 26 Nov 2010 13:59 GMT+01:00

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"There was a discussion internally and he said that he would do so (drop the lawyer Wolfram Nahrath)," Saint Pius X Society spokesman Andreas Steiner said. "But as far as I know this has not happened yet."

The ultra-conservative group had threatened to expel Richard Williamson unless he did so and stopped "letting himself become an instrument of political theories with absolutely nothing to do with his duties as a Catholic bishop."

Nahrath has defended neo-Nazis charged with violent crimes and has had links with banned Hitler Youth-style groups including Heimattreue Deutsche Jugend, or "German youth true to the homeland," according to anti-fascist campaigners.

Williamson was found guilty of inciting racial hatred in April and fined €10,000, reduced from an earlier fine of €12,000 he had refused to pay.

The 70-year-old had questioned key historical facts about the Holocaust - a crime in Germany - in an interview with Swedish television recorded in Regensburg and aired in January 2009.

"I believe that the historical evidence, the historical evidence, is hugely against six million Jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler," Williamson said in the interview.

"I believe there were no gas chambers ... I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps, but none of them by a gas chamber."

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Pope Benedict XVI unleashed a deluge of criticism last year for reversing the excommunication of Williamson and three other Saint Pius X Society bishops in a bid to bridge a rift with the fraternity.

In a series of interviews published in a book this week, Benedict says that he would not have reversed Williamson's excommunication if he had known about his views on the Holocaust.

According to news magazine Der Spiegel, the society has also asked Williamson to abandon his appeal, which is due to be heard in a court in Regensburg, southern Germany, in February or March, the court said this week.


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17:00 November 26, 2010 by Klaipeda
My parents were Germans that came to the USA after the war. My mother was one of 20 million Germans that were driven out of eastern europe where Germans had lived for centuries. They stole the peoples property and cities and gave the land to other countries completing the process that began in WW I. While she was lucky to escape being raped (unlike two million other German women) or incinerated in one of the bomber attacks that were meant to murder as many German civilians as possible, she was mistreated pretty badly and was lucky to escape.

Growing up in the USA I never heard about any of this in books or the media. It was deliberately ignored in the USA and Germany as well. But the holocaust became big in the 1970's and since then has become a tool to prevent criticism of Israel and allow Jewish organizations to extort money from European countries like Germany and Switzerland.

One of the important principles of a democracy is freedom of speech and there are historians that disagree on many things. The holocaust should not be treated differently than any other issue and peoples (historians and others) arguments should rise or fall on their merits - not a government decree. That was tried that 75 years ago and it didn't work.
18:31 November 26, 2010 by Sagamore
Thank you for a thoughtful post. Enough time has passed that it's time for full and honest historical research on how World War II affected all people and not just one group. German civilian casualties in WWII were very high, and those that survivied suffered during and after the war. If one wants to assign blame for war crimes, there are plenty of places to look.
20:17 November 26, 2010 by Friedolin
Bishop Richard Williamson (who is but part of the "counter culture",) was not being "an instrument of political theories", as the writer would have us believe. He was speaking out in the interest of historical truth, using his God-given right for free speech!

The way your write-up was composed clearly reflects the effects of "Cultural Marxism". (Cultural Marxism triumphed after World War Two in all Western countries. For crying out loud, this was what FDR sacrificed the lives of 420,000 US soldiers, and WC bankrupted the British World Empire for!)


Cultural Marxism was the end result not just in the United States, it is even more so the case in what is left of the once great German nation. Both countries have (quote) "undergone a cultural, moral and religious revolution. A militant secularism has arisen. It has always had a hold on the intellectual and academic elites, but in the 1960s it captured the young in the universities and the colleges.

"This is the basis of the great cultural war we're undergoing.... We are two countries now. We are two countries morally, culturally, socially, and theologically. Cultural wars do not lend themselves to peaceful co-existence. One side prevails, or the other prevails.

"The truth is that while conservatives won the Cold War with political and economic Communism, we've lost the cultural war with cultural Marxism, which I think has prevailed pretty much in the United States (also). It is now the dominant culture. Whereas those of us who are traditionalists, we are, if you will, the counterculture." So states Patrick J. Buchanan in the opening scenes of James Jaeger's new film, "Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America"

As always, Buchanan is outspoken and splendidly patriotic in his testimony on the present degeneration of our country. Many of us born before the 1960s, and its shocking nihilism agree vehemently with him. We were raised in a land far removed philosophically from the America we are cursed with today, and this disturbing fact weighs heavily upon our hearts and minds."

As no doubt it also weighed on Bishop Richard Williamson's mind.
21:20 November 26, 2010 by Viva Melita

The Wall St Journal has an article on the holocaust.
08:56 November 27, 2010 by wood artist
This discussion, limited as it may be on this particular article, has taken an interesting turn. Somehow I doubt that Patrick Buchanan is a significant source when it comes to discussing the Holocaust, regardless of his opinions on other things.

Two facts remain when all else is said.

Fact 1. While it is completely appropriate to defend Freedom of Speech, it remains important to understand the implications of that freedom.

While it is true that people who selectively utilize known facts, omitting those which don't support their personal agenda, have every right to do so, they are also subject to being called out for doing so. The Russians claimed that they, and they alone, won WWII. They told that lie to their own people, and to the people of Germany, at least in the Russian occupation zone. Okay, although the Russians didn't support freedom of speech, if you accept the principle, they had every right to say what they did. Does that make it true? No. Does that make it ethical? No. Does that present a skewed version of history? Yes.

In a free society, it might not matter as much, because people can hear a balance of opinions, research the facts, and then form their own opinions. In the East German and Russian societies, those freedoms didn't exist.

Fact 2. Germany made a conscious decision to place specific limits on free speech. It was done ostensibly to eliminate (or at least limit) the likelihood that the views of the Nazi party would not arise from the ashes of the war. In retrospect it might have been an over-reaction, but it certainly made sense at the time, considering there was a whole generation raised and schooled during that time.

After 60+ years is it time to reconsider that decision? Perhaps. Does the control of speech related to that era and the Holocaust mean history cannot be discussed and debated? No.

The honest debates about history are most often framed in the context of why something happened, and not so much about the "what." The era of the Third Reich is especially well documented, so both the what and the why can be examined using first-person documents and information. The debate or discussion is not enhanced when someone like this claims things that are demonstrably untrue. Suggesting that he is right simply because of some vague term used elsewhere does not change the facts.

15:47 November 27, 2010 by Klaipeda
The laws regarding "Holocaust Denial" were not enacted until long after the war was over and became stronger in the 80's and 90's. The Holocaust became a big issue beginning in the 1970's and its been used for political purposes: to advance Israel's interests and as a way to force European governments to turn over money to Jewish organizations. These things were not done in a vacuum by the Germans themselves, but Jewish groups pressured Germany in the 1970's to modify the laws that were about to end the prosecution of "NAZI war criminals" because the war was long over and to push Germany into making the Holocaust a big event in the publics mind. They now prosecute men over 90 years old that can barely walk and are almost dead already - its disgusting and cruel.

If the Holocaust had been such a big issue, the Holocaust museum in Berlin would have been built in the 1950's, not 2005. Now governments all over Europe send their children to visit concentration camps, while ignoring the suffering of their own people in the war. People besides Jews suffered the most horrific atrocities during the war (including Germans brutalized by the allies), but this is ignored. Over 50 million people died in the war but only the 6 million Jews that die matter - everyone else is ignored.

"Does the control of speech related to that era and the Holocaust mean history cannot be discussed and debated?". Yes it does. Germany and other countries don't allow free speech on this issue and they prosecute and even jail historians whose views they don't like. The bestselling historian David Irving was jailed in Austria in 2005 and there are other people in jail in Europe right now for what they've said. That tells everyone in Germany what you can or can't say.

When the Berlin wall came down in 1989 and the Germans pushed for unification there was great resistance from Great Britain and France - their leaders opposed it and a few commentators made statements that many were not news to Germans - NATO was as much a force to occupy Germany and keep it down as it was a force to protect Germany an d western Europe.

The occupation of Germany began in 1945 and lasted into the 1990's and to a degree still exists today.
02:54 November 28, 2010 by Friedolin
Phew... Klaipeda writes "The occupation of Germany began in 1945 and lasted into the 1990's and to a degree still exists today." Would you call 268 US bases in Germany manned by 50,000 US troops "an occupation to a degree only?

And it only was "resistance from Great Britain and France to German re-unification?" Maggie Thatcher pleaded with Gorby not to withdraw Russian troops from East Germany so unification would not take place! With friends like this, who needs enemies?

Also "Germany and other countries don't allow free speech on this issue and they prosecute and even jail historians whose views they don't like..." It is not "Germany and other countries" who make a big stink every time some one digs a little deeper into what really transpired. The latest comes from Lithuania: http://www.ejpress.org/article/47477

¦quot;VILNIUS (AFP)---A Lithuanian historian quit his civil service job Thursday after seven ambassadors from fellow European nations accused him of denying the Holocaust.¦quot;

Lithuanians or even Germans for that matter, are sick and tired of this entire ¦quot;Shoah business¦quot; and could care less about what one of their professors is writing. But it is the ¦quot;Cultural Marxists¦quot; who are at the root of all the commotion and who are acting all across Europe as the thought police? And what¦#39;s worse, these same ?Marxists¦quot; have been given the clout to force an organized response from ambassadors from seven different countries, causing a scholar to give up his job and his livelihood.
11:35 November 29, 2010 by wenddiver
Ever think about just telling the guy he's a ^&*^% idiot and let it go at that? I guess if my family was gassed, I would look this guy up and bust his nose. Don't really see where this is any of the German Government's business, unless he said it in Germany or is a German Citzen
09:27 December 1, 2010 by Klaipeda
Sometimes I feel like busting an American or Englishman in the nose for denying murdering all those Germans in Dresden and other German cities. But I really get upset when ignorant people from the former allied countries are unaware their soldiers gang raped 2 million German women and then murdered many when they were done.
00:54 December 6, 2010 by john2hansen
The article did not mention that Regensburg is in Germany. (It is.)
09:40 December 28, 2011 by ICryForDeutschland
As evidenced by the story, and by 100,000 convictions for questioning the fables written by the occupation forces, German is not a free country, it is an occupied state. In such totalitarian regimes, it is "normal", expected, that historical research; mourning the dead; honestly dealing with atrocities (on whatever side), are not allowed. Do not dare to speak the truth, or to question the propaganda. Remember Sylvia Stolz.

The Rape of Berlin, 2 million. True. But it has continued to this day, in the form of degradation of German women. Now they are starting on the children, preparing them to be sex slaves. It is a "crime" for German men to protect their women and children from the occupying forces. It is "normal" in any country that is occupied by neanderthals, it is hilarious to call it a "democracy".

The murder of surrendered German forces. True. During the war, the Germans allowed the Red Cross full access to the labour camps. But the victors, and the occupying forces have no such honour.
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