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US drone kills German Islamists in Pakistan

The Local · 5 Oct 2010, 08:22

Published: 04 Oct 2010 20:27 GMT+02:00
Updated: 05 Oct 2010 08:22 GMT+02:00

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"Five German rebels of Turkish origin and three local militants were killed in the strike," a Pakistani security official said late Monday.

Two other security officials confirmed to AFP that five German nationals were killed in the strike.

The attack took place in Mir Ali Bazaar, 20 kilometres (12 miles) east of Miranshah, the main town of the North Waziristan tribal district bordering Afghanistan.

North Waziristan is a reputed hideout for militants linked to the Taliban and al-Qaida, and is the operational epicentre of the latest plot reportedly uncovered by European and US intelligence agencies.

The attack came hours after Japan and Sweden joined Washington and London in issuing an alert warning of the "possible terrorist attack" by al-Qaida and affiliated groups against their citizens travelling in Europe.

US channel Fox News, citing unnamed intelligence officials, said militants had a list of targets in France and Germany, including Paris's Eiffel Tower and Notre Dame Cathedral, Berlin's Brandenburg Gate, the city's central railway station and the Alexanderplatz TV tower.

US and German media said the information about possible targets was provided by a German national interrogated at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.

But German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said on Monday there was no reason to change the country's security threat level in response to US and UK travel alert warning of possible terrorist attacks in Europe.

"At the moment there are no indications of imminent attacks in Germany," de Maiziere told reporters in Berlin. "There is however a high abstract threat, and German interests at home and abroad have been in the sights of international terrorism for some time."

He said Berlin was taking all leads seriously and investigating them with high intensity.

Pakistani officials have reported that at least 21 US drone strikes in September killed around 120 people, the highest monthly toll for the attacks.

Recent missile strikes have largely targeted militants linked with the Haqqani extremist network, which is based in North Waziristan.

Officials in Washington say the strikes have killed a number of high-value targets including former Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud. However, the attacks fuel anti-American sentiment in the conservative Muslim country.

Militants fighting against over 150,000 US and NATO troops in Afghanistan are believed to be holed up in Pakistan's northwestern Federally Administered Tribal Areas, as are operatives at war with Pakistani security forces.

Washington has branded the rugged tribal area, which lies outside Pakistani government control, a global headquarters of al-Qaida and the most dangerous place on Earth.

The US military does not as a rule confirm drone attacks, but its armed forces and the Central Intelligence Agency operating in Afghanistan are the only forces that deploy the pilotless drones in the region.

More than 1,150 people have been killed in over 139 drone strikes in Pakistan since August 2008, including a number of senior militants.

Under US pressure to crack down on Islamist havens along the Afghan border, Pakistan has in the past year stepped up military operations against largely homegrown militants in the area.

Last year Pakistan launched its most ambitious military offensive yet against Taliban militants in South Waziristan, expanding the campaign to many of the other seven semi-autonomous tribal districts along the border.

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Pakistani commanders have not ruled out an offensive in North Waziristan, but argue that gains in South Waziristan and the northwestern district of Swat need to be consolidated to prevent their troops from being stretched too thin.

Pakistan has protested against the drone strikes but has never taken any practical steps to stop the US carrying out such attacks.

However, Pakistan's move to block a main land route for NATO supplies last week indicates official anger at incursions into its airspace from US aircraft.

Pakistan halted the NATO convoys on Thursday after officials blamed a cross-border NATO helicopter attack for the deaths of three Pakistani soldiers.

While the key supply route remains closed, NATO supply convoys have come under attacks in Pakistan in the past three days. Pakistani Taliban militants claimed on Monday two fiery raids in which nearly 60 trucks were torched.

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21:01 October 4, 2010 by OMFG
I am German, and I think the citizenship doesn't matter at all here. It's about what these people are fighting for, and where they seem to be living, being German nationals. US military can definitely not be blamed here... At least not more than for the mess they are anyway into, not just because now the terrorists are becoming GERMANS??? Am anxious to see how politicians will react on this ;-) Let's see...
21:02 October 4, 2010 by Eagle1
Thank you, USA!!! Please keep up the good work!
21:02 October 4, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I can live with that.
22:01 October 4, 2010 by American1776
I am glad we could help our European friends!
22:15 October 4, 2010 by wxman
Sometimes s**t happens.
22:25 October 4, 2010 by CookieMonster
I am an American living and working in Germany and I'm not worried AT ALL. The constant fear I experienced whilst I lived in the USA is not present here. When I first got here, I was always looking over my shoulders, but not now. When I got on the plane to fly over here from Atlanta, I remember someone on the PA announced that the New Threat Level had just advanced.....minutes before I got on an 8-hour flight to Frankfurt.

In conclusion, I'd have to say that this is America's fear-mongering 101.
22:32 October 4, 2010 by kalyaja
Job well done, America. We won't allow the 9/11 style or 7/7 style or Mumbai style terrorist attack on our soil, ever again. If some European countries specially, Germany don't want to heed the warning, it's their problem. They think American are "alarmist". you only have to see where these German National who got killed by drone came from. Hamburg, right? Oh yeah, Hamburg, from same Moshee that Mohammad Atta attended. And Hamburg police had allowed it to keep open even after 9/11 until just last month. Incredible, incredible. They knew fully well what's going on inside that mosque, breeding jihadhist but they wouldn't do anything about it. These guys attended this Moshee and traveled to Pakistan. Didn't it ring the bell? My God, open your eyes, Hamburg. And don't say that we didn't warn you.
00:02 October 5, 2010 by dankoehler
Great job! Keep it up. Making the world a safer place for decent people.

Not sure how Germany has benefited from so many immigrants
00:06 October 5, 2010 by Eagle1
22:25 October 4, 2010 by CookieMonster

"In conclusion, I'd have to say that this is America's fear-mongering 101."

I'm sure many said the same thing 70 years ago about Hitler. "Don't worry about it," right? Sometimes, people like you need a bomb up the ass before they wake up. It's amazing. I say that you are an "ignorance monger."

Don't you remember the failed attempted train bombings in Cologne in 2006 by radical Lebanese? (see http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/09/germany-train-bombs) And for what? Germany was just minding its own business at the time. These Muslim radical nutjobs are coming after all of us. Either do something about it or risk being blown to pieces. America is "fear mongering?" Actually, what America is doing is protecting you.
00:29 October 5, 2010 by germantourist
Germany is a place I have always loved to visit & I have never felt unsafe. However, I am dismayed that the German goverment is not taking the terror threat serious. Is it because it is aimed at Americans in Germany? How would your country react if if were Germans being threatend in America?

Perhaps we should close all the military bases in Germany & bring our people home. What would happen to the German economny then? No Americans to spend money, no bases to employ tens of thousands of Germans? Truth is, German & America need each other. The German goverment needs to start kicking some terriost ass & get serious. Until then, I won't be making any trips to your country anytime soon.
00:51 October 5, 2010 by Prufrock2010
"The German goverment [sic] needs to start kicking some terriost ass & get serious. Until then, I won't be making any trips to your country anytime soon."

Good. Stay home.
01:19 October 5, 2010 by kreese
Thank goodness for the Internet. The American press hasn't mentioned "Islamist" yet. Did these "Germans" attend a mosque in Hamburg? Was the German government aware of their activities? Political Correctness is going to get more people killed.
02:25 October 5, 2010 by germantourist
Prufrock2010, no problem, I can & will stay home. I have contributed enough Euro's to the German market place. A smart ass remark like yours will not do a thing to convince people to come to Germany & spend money. If terrorist want to kill Americans, does it not occur to you they will likely kill anyone around the Americans, which means Germans will also die. Everyone, from every nation should be outraged at any terrorist threat. I am just surprised the German goverment has no reaction or is not treating is serious. IMO, as long as the goverment says "no big deal" people will not want to go where they don't feel as if they will be protected.
02:27 October 5, 2010 by Lars16102
Thank You America! Thank you for killing our German trash. I hope you kill many more.
02:43 October 5, 2010 by Prufrock2010
germantourist --

I live here and if there is a real threat, about which I'm skeptical, I am at risk. But I feel safer there than in any place in America, with the possible exception of Mayberry under the watchful eye of Andy Griffith. What right do you, as an American resident and occasional tourist, to tell Germans how to run their country and their government, and deal with their politico-social problems? What's your dog in this hunt, if I may ask? If you're so goddamned afraid of the terrorists because of same vague threat to unspecified targets on a continent you don't even live on, then you need some intensive counseling.
03:32 October 5, 2010 by Wobinidan
Interesting timing, just after the outspoken words of Sarrazin and the trial of Geert Wilders. However, apparently this strike is meant to make me more scared. Well, it makes me less scared. If they killed some German terrorists, that means there are less terrorists, right? And there were only a few dozen of those in the first place. The guy in the kebab shop didn't poison me ever, and the guy in the spätkaf never did me any harm either.

Like I said, interesting timing. No one has been affected by terrorism in Germany for a long time, but someone really wants us to be scared of it.
03:37 October 5, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Like another regime which once wanted you to be really scared of the Bolsheviks and the Jews. In the textbooks, this is called "political expediency."
04:34 October 5, 2010 by ohiospartan22
I am American and I live in Germany every summer. Before I went to Germany about 6 years ago, I had no interest in leaving the U.S. Since my first experience, I absolutely love Germany and actually call it my second home. I have never and never will be scared while I am in Germany. There is bad people in Germany just like in America, but the true Germans, are great people and I profess this all the time here in the states. I'm not military, but I do support my country. Some of my best friends are German and being around I know what type of people were affected with this attack.

What sucks is that the European CNN makes it a point over in the states that says Germans were killed in these attacks. Though it's true, i know they are not what Germans represent. These people are about creating terror and this is NOT how germans are. The "real" germans are the kindest people that I have ever met.

I am 4th generation and I love the USA, but I want you Germans to know, I support you 100 percent and I know and I tell everyone here how great you have been to me and fellow Americans. God Bless Germany and thank you for being a great friend! I pray for your soldiers families just like I pray for our American's.
06:49 October 5, 2010 by mansoor19
Im from afghanistan and I wanna say that america is the most cruel country in the world. They are killing many civilians every year in afghanistan. They should learn lesson from russia. Russian killed 2 million people in afghanistan but they faced a historic defeat, that they will never forget forever. A superpower country fall against a poor country. Everyone knows that afghans didnt have any hand on 9/11. We are peaceful people and plz let us live peacefully.
07:03 October 5, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Apparently, "integration" is working well in Germany!
07:16 October 5, 2010 by domiDDD

I agree you all are very peaceful people, as long as the world leaves you alone to marry off and sodimize little 8 and 9 year old girls to 40 and 50 year old men, to stone to death a 19 year old single girl just because she has a boyfriend, to not allow girls and women the right to an education, or to drive, or to work?

or to even be free.

Very peaceful.
08:04 October 5, 2010 by wenddiver
Predator Drone-24 Million dollars

Hellfire Missile-$150,000 dollars a piece

Sending a Cave dweller to his 75 Virgins with a boom-PRICELESS
08:18 October 5, 2010 by Heine Steinfeldt
Could you Americans maybe strike Hamburg next?
08:26 October 5, 2010 by JohnPaul44
A theological question for any Muslims online here. Are converted Germans entitled to the full quota of 75 virgins?
08:41 October 5, 2010 by OMFG
@germantourist - Seems like on all your visits to Germany you forgot about learning some recent history...

"Perhaps we should close all the military bases in Germany & bring our people home. What would happen to the German economny then? No Americans to spend money, no bases to employ tens of thousands of Germans?" - Since more than 15 years there's hardly any US military base in Germany anymore! Did you sleep when there was this historic event called reunification?

No bases to employ tens of thousands of Germans? Yes, that was a problem, but that was a problem we have managed to overcome, and...it was 15 years ago!

We appreciate tourists here, especially when they're interested in our history and culture...
09:20 October 5, 2010 by wood artist
I've always assumed there was a little risk, especially in the bigger cities and around the more populated venues. However, I can't say I've ever felt threatened to any degree. The fact is that a terrorist who is not afraid to die can attack anywhere...at any time. The Hauptbahnhof in any city is an obvious target, and likely as not some foreigners would be victims. The same could be said of some place like the Reichstag or Brandenburg Gate. The Kölner dom would certainly qualify too.

That said, it's a risk that seems reasonable, at least to me. Unless something much more dramatic comes up, I'll be back in Germany again this coming year, and I doubt things will be much different.

11:00 October 5, 2010 by freechoice
being an ausländer im Deutschland, the probably of being shot by shooting rampage by locals in Deutschland and US, is more higher than getting attacked by terrorists from abroad....
11:42 October 5, 2010 by DinhoPilot
And the vicious circle never ends...

Terrorist attack? Is not a matter of avoiding is a matter of knowing when it will happen, because it will!

We are sick of all these American/Taliban/mysterious Bin Laden wars...

Another frickin Vietnam where the only thing they managed was to kill civilians. Iraq is the same crap, Afghanistan also... With a retreat the terrorist will just take control and go after us again. Thank you for starting a world war again *****
11:46 October 5, 2010 by William Thirteen
these drones are just the beginning - soon we will all be subject to the whims of the robots and their controllers. until the robots decide that humans are merely a nuisance and finish off our species. but we had a nice run!
12:41 October 5, 2010 by michael4096
Can't say I lose much sleep over murderers being murdered.

I do have a few problem with the decision making about who lives and who dies. Faceless analysts in langley using opaque processes on the basis of dubious intelligence doesn't sound like a good way.

1,150 people dead to get a 'number' of suspected senior militants. So what is the ratio of baddies to innocents? I know they aren't american innocents and so don't have the same value, but how many innocents is one baddie worth? And, when do the number of innocents killed by the cure exceed those killed by the disease?
12:42 October 5, 2010 by veritas_69
I'm for the European way (not including Great Britain) where protecting us from Muslim terrorists does not include the slow erosion of our freedoms and rights under misguided laws such as the "Patriot Act".

The USA has become a police state, but the citizens just haven't noticed yet.
14:12 October 5, 2010 by dankworth
Americans are sick of the Bin Laden and the Taliban too DinhoPilot. Fortunately they are not going to lie down for the bad guys when they've been attacked. Lets hope the europeans and the rest of the world figure out that they have to shoulder more of the burden before they get still more attention from these medieval religious throwbacks.

Don't dwell on it too much but the future of human conflict is written in Pakistan. Drones and robots will be looking for everyone in wars without rear areas. The younger generations will have a lot more on their watch than the boomers ever had. Its uphill from here and these islamic maniacs are distracting us from the huge problems we should all be confronting.
14:24 October 5, 2010 by SRaab

What world war did america start?
14:31 October 5, 2010 by freechoice
with a plane like this, who needs an airforce...

just takeout anybody, anyone you don't like...
14:41 October 5, 2010 by DinhoPilot

You answer me that! Wasn't me who sponsered Pakistan or Bin Laden trainning!
15:25 October 5, 2010 by auniquecorn

More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks on the World Trade center on Sept.11 2001,

America did´nt start this war, oh, and neither did you.
17:00 October 5, 2010 by DinhoPilot
Oh Bravo!

You think the dudes just woke someday and said; lets travel to the US, learn to fly airplanes into towers because I had a dream of 7 or 70 virgins dream?!

I'm in NO WAY justfying the terrorist, their cause or actions but someome had something to do with this!
17:57 October 5, 2010 by zeulf
The justification for these events may be many hundreds of years old, z.B. Jugoslavia, Just because " somebody had something to do with this!"

Never gives the right to attack innocent People anywhere. Collateral damage being a different subject .
18:29 October 5, 2010 by pantheratigris
@ JohnPaul44

"A theological question for any Muslims online here. Are converted Germans entitled to the full quota of 75 virgins?"

Rather then converted Germans these are Muslims converted German so they should be considered as "haram" and burn in hell instead of 75 virgins. Returning to the article: Five pseudo-Germans less...
02:01 October 6, 2010 by Prufrock2010
SRaab --

You ask: "What world war did america start? "

The current one, starting with Iraq, under completely bogus pretenses.
02:37 October 6, 2010 by JohnPaul44
I agree! The only Weapon of Mass Destruction found in Iraq was the American military.
17:05 October 6, 2010 by mehta_p
why do I feel that many terror attacks NOT really done by Talibanis or those fanatic muslims who are terrorising the world in name of Islam or Allah?

Why USA is getting involved in ALL terror-attack issues?

Why USA is providing financial help to Pak, Afgan, Iraq?

They can invest this money to have better safety in USA.

Finacial Crisis (subprime) is deeply fuking many developed countries, still how come these fanatic people (terrorists) get support to do terror activities???

Do Pak, Afgan, Iraq using financial-aid in right way?

Why USA is taking so deep interest in these countries?

Why some west european countries supporting USA for war in Pak, Afgan and Iraq??

Why can't anyone stop USA for the financial aid to above mentioned countries??
17:52 October 6, 2010 by dankworth
No, you have that wrong Prufrock2010. Iraq started the Iraq war by invading Kuwait and strained relations continued until Saddam played games with WMD inspectors and made noises again about Kuwait being part of Iraq. Then Saddam paid the price. Thanks America for saving the world from this tyrant and threat to peace in the middle east.
18:17 October 6, 2010 by Johnne
I can´t believe ww77ww is not yet commenting on this! oh sorry maybe he´s still celebrating?? the death of German muslims? at least they´re muslims right? ww77ww?? it suits:-)
20:51 October 6, 2010 by Prufrock2010
dankworth --

Your knowledge of recent history is woefully deficient. If you believe that Saddam Hussein started the current Iraq war, you might be the only person on the planet who believes that.

And it sure has been successful, hasn't it? Nine years and no end in sight. You see, when you create a power vacuum in the Middle East, you've got hell to pay.
02:05 October 7, 2010 by dankworth
The war is absolutely successful compared to what Saddam might have wrought had he been able to keep Kuwait and left in place to acquire WMD. I guess you learned nothing from Mr. Chamberlain's appeasement of a tyrant not so long ago when Hitler might have been stopped when he had a much smaller military. The 39 countries that have contributed to the multi national force in Iraq fortunately have a much better sense of history than you do.
10:40 October 7, 2010 by Prufrock2010
You're conflating the two Iraqi wars and there were no WMD. Everyone but you acknowledges that. What Saddam "might have wrought" is irrelevant to who started the war and under what false pretenses (read: lies). And if you think this war is a "success," I'd like to know your definition of failure. On second thought, I don't care what you think. Clearly you don't think.
11:28 October 7, 2010 by dankworth
No WMD that was found Prufrock2010. We can't find Bin Laden so he must not exist either. What Saddam might have wrought might be irrelevant to you but thankfully it wasn't to the coalition that stopped him. My definition of success is a middle east that has not been entirely consumed by one man or one ideology, its a definition a thinking man like yourself could never comprehend apparently. You can politically correct or you can be right Prufrock2010. Unfortunately you don't seem to have the capacity to be the later.
12:01 October 7, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I'd say your comprehension of geopolitics is roughly equivalent to your writing and spelling skills -- somewhere around a second grade level. Therefore I'm not interested in your opinions or your insults.
13:01 October 7, 2010 by dankworth
Of course you're interested Prufrock2010, and you can't resist replying but sadly being politically correct seems to be more important to you than learning anything. As to insults, well, you wrote the book around here.

So the rest of us have learned or remember that the US didn't start the Iraq war, it was a "coalition of the willing". Hopefully that same spirit of cooperation will prevail until the middle east and its multitude of problems is sorted out to everyone's satisfaction.
13:17 October 7, 2010 by OMFG
Interesting conversation, dankworth & Prufrock... ;-D May I disturb for a minute?

I think everybody KNOWS by now that starting the Iraq War was a huge mistake.

But I also think there are still too many people who simply don't dare to admit it.
13:51 October 7, 2010 by dankworth
"Everybody knows" OMFG? As unpleasant as the Iraq war was consider for a moment the possible horrific alternate scenarios that were possible if Saddam had been left in place. The 39 country coalition did and is stilling willing to pay the price on that judgement.
14:57 October 7, 2010 by J-Dub
Well, now that makes 5 less Islamic virgin-loving Cornholios to worry about. Let's keep adding to the total by any means necessary. I like the Drone system...they never see it coming!
15:13 October 7, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Here's the "coalition of the willing": Read it and chuckle. Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Latvia, Lithuania, Republic of Macedonia, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Mongolia, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Palau, Panama, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Rwanda, Singapore, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Tonga, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United States, and Uzbekistan.

Of these countries, only the US, United Kingdom, Australia, Poland and Denmark provided invasion forces in Iraq. Coalition of the American clients and lackeys would be more accurate.

However, it's all academic. The war was predicated on demonstrable lies, has been a disaster in terms of money spent and lives lost, has created more terrorists than bin Laden ever dreamed of recruiting, has destroyed the Iraqi infrastructure and left the country ungoverned and ungovernable, and has, along with the Afghan debacle, bankrupted the US.

Mission accomplished.
15:40 October 7, 2010 by dankworth
More politically correct nonsense from "not interested in your opinons" Prufrock2010. Welcome back, you must be a glutton for punishment.

The reason the 39 "lackeys" cooperated together was that they knew the cost of leaving Saddam to either organize WMD and/or cooperate with his neighbors a la the Hitler-Stalin agreement at the beginning of WWII. The politically correct characterization of "lies" and "debacle" is just the smoke generated by the left to damage the US policy of ensuring long term stability and availability of resources in the middle east. Fortunately even the Obama administration sees through that tactic and continues to support the efforts of the coalition and previous American administrations by persevering in a tough and often violent struggle to bring the middle east into the 21st century.
18:46 October 7, 2010 by raandy
@dankworth the war in Iraq was started by G Bush and his cronies ,WMD was a smoke screen to justify an attack on a sovereign nation that in no way threaten our security,, Saddam was no worse than other Middle Eastern leaders. In hindsight it seems obvious that the people were better of before than now. Its unfortunate(its a crime) that 650,000+ people have died for the lies and misinformation told and spread by the Bush Administration. Coalition of the willing, what a joke...at least Germany and France saw through these lies and deceptions and had the good sense to stay out of that criminal adventure.
00:40 October 8, 2010 by dankworth
Sorry raandy, the war was started by Saddam's grab for Kuwait and whatever the final casualty figure turns out to be the vast majority were perpetrated by the Iraqis themselves. As for Germany's role all Germany's party leaders, excepting the PDS's Gregor Gysi, came out in support of the american action and Germany made financial contributions totaling $10 billion.

The Iraq war proved that timely intervention can be an effective way to deal with rogue states. In military matters there is only one superpower - the USA - and it can go it alone if it has to. Its time to accept this fact and move on.
01:02 October 8, 2010 by Prufrock2010
dankworth --

I'm hardly a "glutton for punishment." I just love to read the fulminations of right wing morons.

My comments are not directed to you, per se. They are sometimes offered in response to your idiotic comments, but are directed to those around here with a modicum of intelligence who may either agree or disagree, or add some perspective that is worthwhile. That would not include you.

You've been trolling around here for three whole days now and are trying to hijack every discussion. Good luck with that. Your profound ignorance has some amusement value, but nothing more.
01:41 October 8, 2010 by dankworth
I have to laugh at your attempt to characterize anyone that doesn't agree with your pronouncements as a troll or thread hijacker. Good luck with such a transparent ploy. Your profound arrogance has some amusement value, but nothing else to recommend it.
03:21 October 8, 2010 by cobra226
"Germans of Turkish origin"....this phrase, even in Germany, if spoken in the news, ALWAYS means something terrible has happened. They need to send some of these idiots home to Turkey! Sorry, but i think its much too easy to come to Germany, and then live a life of crime. I remember last year when the Kurds decided to have street battles with the Turks ON GERMAN STREETS. TO ALL FOREIGNERS IN LIVING IN GERMANY: If you bring your wars and problems with you to Germany, I don't want you here. GO HOME!!!
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