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Al-Qaida plot to attack Germany discovered

The Local · 29 Sep 2010, 18:25

Published: 29 Sep 2010 08:10 GMT+02:00
Updated: 29 Sep 2010 18:25 GMT+02:00

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"The threat is very real," a security official based in Europe told AFP, after British and US media reported that militants were planning simultaneous strikes in London and in cities in France and Germany.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that France and Britain had been targeted, explaining that orders had been given at the highest level of al-Qaida to punish Europe, and France in particular.

The BBC and Sky News said commando-style teams of militants planned to seize Western hostages and murder them in a manner similar to the attacks in Mumbai two years ago, but the source could not confirm this.

The official said a bomb was a more likely threat than a rampage such as that seen in the Indian city, where 10 gunmen killed 166 people and injured more than 300 in three luxury hotels, a railway station and restaurants.

US intelligence services learned of the threat through various sources, including the questioning of suspects from the Afghanistan-Pakistan border, which was then confirmed by other countries, the European official added.

US broadcasters ABC and CNN earlier reported that the source of the intelligence was a German suspect detained in Afghanistan.

In Washington, a US official told AFP the threat "was credible" but it was not clear when or where it meant to be launched - and it could take place outside France, Britain and Germany.

ABC reported that the United States was also a possible target and said President Barack Obama had been briefed.

"The threat is, at this point, credible but not specific," said the US official, who asked to remain anonymous.

The official added: "And while no one should dismiss the prospect of a Mumbai-style operation, it's entirely conceivable that other modes of attack are in play."

The BBC described the threat as "one of the most serious al-Qaida attack plans in recent years" and said it was inspired by the terror group's fugitive leadership in Pakistan's tribal areas.

Sky News and the Wall Street Journal said a recent surge in US drone attacks in Pakistan's border areas was aimed at eliminating the plot's leaders, and had killed some of them.

Pakistan, however, rejected the notion of a plot on its soil.

"We don't have any credible information from sources that any such planning is taking place or terrorists are planning anything in North Waziristan," military spokesman Major General Athar Abbas told AFP.

Britain's Home Office refused to comment on the reports of a plot, but a spokeswoman said: "We know we face a real and serious threat from terrorism."

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She told AFP there was "no change at all" to the national threat level, which since January has been at "severe", the second highest of five levels, meaning a terror attack is highly likely.

The German government meanwhile said it was aware of al-Qaida's "long-term" aim to attack Western targets, but it had not changed its security assessment.

"At the moment there are no concrete indications of any imminent attacks on Germany resulting from this," an interior ministry statement said.

France has been on a heightened state of alert amid warnings of an imminent attack, but a source with links to the intelligence service said these warnings were not linked to the newly reported plot.

French officials also said Wednesday they had no new information on a specific threat, although government sources last week said US intelligence had warned of jihadi cells moving back to Europe from Pakistan.


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09:05 September 29, 2010 by SDogood
Are people going to finally realize that we are in a world wide war that was started by Muslims? Or are people going to simply continue to bury their collective heads in the sand and sing John Lennon songs? Muammar Gaddafi said it best, (paraphrasing) "We will have conquered Europe without ever firing a shot or raising a sword."
09:14 September 29, 2010 by adipk
No way, Alqaida is not Muslim's organization. Please don't attach with muslims.

Its true they are using name of Islam.
09:24 September 29, 2010 by dkt7
Just nuke the m'fers and get it over with
10:04 September 29, 2010 by Simon_Kellett
> Are people going to finally realize that we are in a world wide war that was started by Muslims?

Not really a war: at most hundreds/thousands dead. On a world wide scale this is very low. World wars are measured in 10s of millions of dead.

(Not that we should underestimate the threat of terrorism whether it originates from the East, or Northern Island.)

And let use not forget that the last 2 world wars were started and run mostly by "Christians", nukes were invented and deployed twice by "Christians".

(FYI I am European, and an atheist).
10:18 September 29, 2010 by Aschaffenburgboy
Here we go again... religious freaks. This is why the world is in a heap of trouble to begin with. The worst part about it is that westerns countries are always left to play defense, and we have to hope for is that their intelligence saves us. What can be done without targeting all the Muslims and their religion? How can the governments stop playing defense and start acting preemptively without being looking as if they had a vendetta against Islam? My conclusion is that it is nearly impossible.

Just bring our soldiers back home, protect the homeland, and implement immigration laws that will make entering the country almost impossible for these terrorists.
10:20 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
Nukem? Who, the French? A bit harsh don't you think!

As for the entire security threat thing, whatever, bad things happen everyday, what is the point in worrying about stuff that is out of your control.
10:21 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p
Why all terrorists are Muslims?

Why US (financially) supports such countries which are not developing the way they should after getting milions of dollars?

Pakistan receives milions of dollars every year from US. As per new regional stratergies some billions of dollars has been announced for Pakistan in 5 yrs by Mr Obama.

(Source TIME Magazine + You can google)

Why US (financially) supports such countries which are never having peace? - Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq.....

And still it is not sure, if they will have peace and better future.

When a denmark Cartoonist published some funny-cartoons of prophet Muhammad, whole Islam (Muslims around the world) did protests against him and showed their anger.

But when terrorists are doing scary activities in name of Islam or Allah, why muslims don't come forward to protest terror-activities?

Don't they want peace for everyone?

(everyone = people from other religions as well)
10:38 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
Really are some close minded biggots in this thread, listen to you all labelleing everyone with dark skin and a Q in their name as a terrorist, absolutely pathetic attitude to have and worrying that you could actually be producing offspring who eventually look up to you for inspiration and guidance.
10:39 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p
@Simon - And let use not forget that the last 2 world wars were started and run mostly by "Christians", nukes were invented and deployed twice by "Christians".


Terror attack is quiet different than war. in War you know the people doing violent activities. Terrorists might be found and punished but how to find the people who are Mastermind of terror attacks. Due to globalisation and developments in communication many mastermind people can easily communicate with any terror group and can spread terror.

I have not yet heard any Christian group is doing bomb-blasts, suiside attacks and so on.
11:07 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
@mehta_p - Terror attack is quiet different than war. in War you know the people doing violent activities

So in that case you then agree that this isn't a war of any sorts as described by SDogood? I mean by your definition how can it be a war on terror if you don't know who the terrorists are.
11:22 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p
@moistvelvet - So in that case you then agree that this isn't a war of any sorts as described by SDogood? I mean by your definition how can it be a war on terror if you don't know who the terrorists are.


by terrorists: these are Terror Attacks, creating terror in mind of common people (giving unsecure feeling)

by Police: fight against terrorism, fight for peace

i suppose, such words would be better than 'war'
11:52 September 29, 2010 by closeenough
That's a very good point mehta_p. There is a huge outcry from the muslim world whenever they imagine themselves to be insulted but when "misunderstanders" of Islam do something horrifying all we hear are a few vague worded statements of condolence and how the US and west is to blame entirely or in part for the atrocities.
12:32 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
@closeenough - "all we hear"

Exactly, all we hear from the media is... blah blah blah, outrage and outcry...

But have you ever thought that there might be other things said by many more people but we just don't hear it? I think you could be blaming the wrong people for not getting all the facts first.
12:36 September 29, 2010 by Simon_Kellett
> I have not yet heard any Christian group is doing bomb-blasts

They do not do suicide attacks, but I give you the Northern Island "troubles" as an example. (And the problems seem to be coming back.) Oh, and IIRC, plenty of the funding for one side came from the USA.

And US Christian right-to-lifers terrorise abortion clinics/doctors. And the Oklahoma bomber: was he a Christian?
12:46 September 29, 2010 by Jibzy
Mr. Mehta is an Indian who was brought up on anti-Islam everything. Their humour is making fun of Muslims/Islam, the villains in their bollywood flicks are also Muslim and/or Pakistanis. He takes his words from Indian media which virtually attacked Pakistan and disarmed them and India won and the world was theirs. Hilarious yet pathetic.

Anyway, please dont associate Al-Qaeda with Muslims. That would be like comparing KKK to Christians or RSS to Hindus. Generalization is a bad idea to begin with.
13:17 September 29, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Terrorism is the use of violence or threat of violence to instill widespread fear or submission. It would appear from this latest report and recent events that al Qaeda has already won this "war," as the West is constantly overreacting in fear of terroristic threats, real or imagined. That the fear factor is being ginned up by Sky News and the Wall Street Journal is hardly surprising. Both are owned by Rupert Murdoch's Newscorp, along with Fox News in the US. It is in Murdoch's interest to keep everyone in a state of constant fear in order to promulgate his ultra right wing agenda, and to conflate Islam with terrorism in order to propagandize for a holy war against Islam itself. Evidence of this agenda is clearly displayed in Fox's and the Wall Street Journal's relentless editorializing against the building of a Mosque in lower Manhattan and their not-very-subtle campaign of Muslim bashing. Ironically, this plays directly into the hands of al Qaeda and bin Ladin, who want nothing more than to provoke the West into a war with Islam itself. To the extent they propagandize against Islam itself, Murdoch and his minions are complicit with Osama bin Ladin and need to be held accountable. Even George Bush had enough sense to speak out against conflating Islam with terrorism, but that voice has been drown out by Newt Gingrich, the radical American right and fundamentalist Christians, using Murdoch's broadcasting empire as their global propaganda apparatus. Nothing good can obtain from their irresponsible rhetoric.

And Simon Kellett is correct. The fundamentalist Christians who bomb abortion clinics and murder physicians and nurses are indeed terrorists, as was the American Christian war veteran Timothy McVeigh who blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City. Terrorism is not confined to any religion, race or culture. It is the new way of doing political business in this world.
13:49 September 29, 2010 by closeenough
Terrorism may not be confined exclusively to one religion but we can conclude today that if not all muslims are terrorists it is true that most terrorists are muslim. There's nothing new about using intimidation to achieve your ends, its a strategy as old as mankind. The new wrinkle is that terrorists are using our money and our greed for cheap labor to further their ends. The obvious difference between Timothy McVeigh and the Islamofascists is the Mr. McVeigh didn't claim to be acting for all Christians. Most terrorists constantly claim to be acting for all muslims.

One common politically correct assertion is that Islam and Muslims are under serious attack, and Islamophobia is growing and becoming more rampant and dangerous by the day. In fact Islamists have it going their own way at the moment. The FBI has recently released data establishing that hate crimes against Muslims are comparatively rare. But if there is any actual suspicion of or negative feelings toward Muslims in the United States, it is solely and wholly the responsibility of Nidal Hasan, the Fort Hood jihadist; Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Christmas underwear jihadist; Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, who killed one soldier and murdered another in a jihad shooting outside a military recruiting station in Little Rock, Ark.; Faisal Shahzad, the Times Square jihadist; Khaled Sheikh Mohammed and Osama bin Laden on 9/11; the London jihad bombers of July 7, 2005; and so many others.

Its characteristic of Islamic supremacists to pretend that non-Muslims are growing more suspicious of Muslims and Islam not because of this, but because of some gratuitous bigotry. This is a tried and tested tactic, designed precisely to divert attention from Islamic jihad attacks and to shame and discredit those who would dare stand up to jihad (both violent and stealth) and Islamic supremacism in the West.
13:55 September 29, 2010 by Jason2
well, i still have hope that someday these wimp europeans will wake up and do something against all this before its too late.

And to all the ones saying "what does this have to do with me" i hope you or your famaly will never get bombed by some crazy muslim...
14:07 September 29, 2010 by Legal E
They're discuised as deer. Had a deer run under my Motorbike wheel on the Autobahn in the Rain... damm suicidal attack I say., nearly killed me but stayed on to fight off the devil.
14:23 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p

I don't believe things blindly. So whatever I have posted are having legal sources.

India is open for everyone so for muslims as well. We belive Ram, Rahim, Muhammad, Jesus, Shiva and celebrate happily all the festivals from Ramadan to Diwali to X-mas. Since hundreds of years muslims are living in India and they are Indians. Such things doesn't make me anti-islam. Muslims are so involved that we don't need 'Integrationkurs'. They are like other Indians and are participating equally in from education to sports.

Salman Khan, Shahrukh Khan are famous bollywood stars and loved by many Indians around the world.

A.R.Rehman who has recently won Oscar Awards also loved and respected by many.

Many (civilians) reach to such level only after getting equal rights that ALL indian muslims get in India.

But it might be hard in Islamic countres to get equal rights for Hindus or Christians (or having Churchs or Temples).

Sorry to say, your comment was too direct and too wrong.

I have posted here about Pakistan, as last year I was very frequently reading TIME magazine and gone through 'regional strategy of US'.

my first comment was not against Pakistan. But it was about wondering on US strategy and their investment.
14:53 September 29, 2010 by venkyfra

I just googled and got all these from Wikipedia.

Al-Qaeda means 'the base'. It is an Islamic terrorist organization. So they claim.

KKK is a far right Christian terrorist organization. So they claim.

On the other hand RSS is a National volunteer organization.

It is not a Hindu Terrorist organization. RSS has never ever attacked anyone or even suggested to attack anyone.

Yes Indian media does treat Pakistani's as villans so are the Indian movies. That is because they really are. Ever year 15000 Indian soldiers are killed by Pakistanis alone. So why cant we call them villans? Name one country who is so tolerant? However, We dont make fun of Islam or Muslims. So its not pathetic as you say.
14:59 September 29, 2010 by Jibzy
@Mehta: I accept the flaws in my society whether you point them out or not. Its the problem that you have ..pretending that India is such a multi-cultural and diverse and harmonious society whereas it is not. Just as Sunni-Muslims have hijacked Pakistani society..which is supposed to be for everyone but oppressors (i.e. Indian Congress Party before the partition to be precise).

There is a general hatred for Muslims in India. If there is a targeted attack on two people, i'd accept that this could be one guy or two people. The backing of my statement is Ahmadabad riots and Babari Masjid for example. Furthermore, Shabana Azmi, a very famous actress of Bollywood and a former MP tells you what society you've made out of the Indian society.

I say this not because of any anti-indian or anti-hindu sentiments. I say .. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
15:06 September 29, 2010 by great_warrior
For any Muslims ....can you please explain what is written in verses 9.5 of Koran...As far as i read Allah asks all his believers to kill all the non-muslims.
15:12 September 29, 2010 by Jibzy

Haha..maybe the Indian wikipedia doesnt show all the information. But if you read the entire wiki page on RSS given in English, you'll know what it has done. You portraying RSS as a national volunteer organization reminds me of Laskhar-e-Taiba being described as a Charity Organization.

> Yes Indian media does treat Pakistani's as villans so are the Indian movies. That is because they really are.

Do you really think that you deserve a reply after writing this? I suppose i'm glad to have been born in Pakistan. Here i learned not to paint an entire nation with the same brush.

>Ever year 15000 Indian soldiers are killed by Pakistanis alone.

Can you support this piece of information?

And Islam being made fun of in India was not my judgement, it was said by a Hindu girl who is a very close friend of mine. She was boycotted in her college for having friends from Pakistan. Next to her name on the marksheet on the college noticeboard, someone wrote 'Pakistani bi**h'.


Good to see another hypnotized friend from over the border. Yes indeed it says that the non-believers should be killed. But if you read it with the context then it would not seem so bad to you. But hey wait..why read the context..lets just pick words that fit your idea about Islam..rite?
15:14 September 29, 2010 by Der Grenadier aus Aachen
Considering the historical track record of the western world of violently destroying things it considers to be a serious threat, it would be extremely unwise of Al-Queda to try to get us to a point where we see boogeymen behind every second corner.

It's been shown time and time again that e just don't respond well to things like that, and our military capability eclipses theirs a thousand fold. The resulting genocide would be staggering in it's proportions.
15:21 September 29, 2010 by Flying_Blue
@Jibzy: Indian law allows muslims follow their own civil law in the country. Which country other than india does that? See what muslims give India back? Perhaps muslims in France, Germany & UK should ask for sharia law in their community or pelt stones for Azad.

BTW: Where are the moderates in Islam? Why are they not supressing the extremists in their religion? No wonder, all muslims are rightly or wrongly considered terrorists, its their own fault! Mr. Blair is right, extremist Islam is the single largest threat to world peace, very much to India.
15:37 September 29, 2010 by elboertjie
Probably the biggest terror organisation is the USA's CIA.

They play the world like pawns with their sabre rattling and causing all the boys with military toys and trigger-happy minds to stick their noses of destruction into places where it does not belong.

Osamba bin laden used to work for the CIA and if he is such apparent big criminal, why don't the FBI list as part of his activities of the events of 9/11?

The world is being played for fools for higher level agendas and the more we fight and attack each other, the more they win.
15:43 September 29, 2010 by tallady
I must say that I agree with my old nemesis Prufroc...This is exactly what Osama BIn Laden wants..The far right in the USA are using fear tactics to gain support .

The country is very divided ,Muslim phobia is rampant. I as back recently and it was all people talked about far to many people see this as a war with Islam and not with Islamic terrorists.

All this uproar about a Muslim center 2 blocks from ground zero is more islamic phobia.People have forgotten about religious freedom and believe this to be some type of insult to those that lost their lives during 9/11..and this i believe could"nt be further from the truth. Nobody had a problem with this 2 years ago when it was in planning stage..Give these tea party folks the power and I am sure we will have a war with Islam...
15:44 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p
@Jibzy said:

1. "Yes indeed it says that the non-believers should be killed."

2. "But hey wait..why read the context..lets just pick words that fit your idea about Islam..rite ?"


1. such teachings create ANGER.....and anger leads FOLLOWERS to crime, to do terror activities in name religion what AL-Quida members are doing.

2. wrong interpretations have been already done by many TRUE followers, which has been followed by many BLIND followers that's why we have many terrorists in the world who are muslims

By the way, may I ask you where are you from Jibzy??

I repeat again, my initial post was abt Terrorism and investment by US. Please don't divert the topic, stick with Al-Quida, Terrorism, its eefect and any solution?.
15:45 September 29, 2010 by Jibzy
@Flying Blue:

First thing..ROFL.. yeah there's a lotttttt of things to destory in India..those dirty toilets that you made for the CommonWealth games participants. Right?

Which other country does that?? We should ask that from the UK government? Okay. Pooff!! Done. Now if you google UK Sharia Courts, you'll find plenty of stuff. Half of Europe is moving towards having Sharia courts for Muslims wanting to get their cases processed through Sharia Law. Look up things before you make stupid claims my friend.

Where are the moderates in Islam? There's exactly where all moderates are. Where are the moderate Hindus? What about moderate Christians? haha. Another pissed off guy. You guys make my day.
15:45 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
Der Grenadier aus Aachen - It's been shown time and time again that e just don't respond well to things like that, and our military capability eclipses theirs a thousand fold. The resulting genocide would be staggering in it's proportions.

Spoken like a true German sir, must be refreshing to get that off your chest, but exactly who is it you are targetting?

Military capability is no match for a belief, right or wrong? Obviously with all this hardware in Afghanistan we are just teasing them and racking up huge defence bills because we can afford it.
15:52 September 29, 2010 by Der Grenadier aus Aachen

Thanks for the personal attack. I was wondering when that was due.

You're not really getting the point. This doesn't have anything to do with right or wrong. The western world, historically, has a habit of wiping out civilizations that threaten it's power. History repeats itself regularly, and I don't expect this to be any different. It has nothing to do with whether I agree it or not.

As for your half-way legitimate question, even if it's sincerity is questionable, I target whomever I am ordered to target.
16:00 September 29, 2010 by Jibzy
@mehta: Indeed you can know where i'm from. I'm from Pakistan. Now feel free to see and understand everything i saw in the frame of mind installed in ur head by your media.

And thank you for maligning an entire religion and religious text by saying that it just teaches hatred. But you know we're still better than you..Islam doesnt tell us to burn widows after the husband dies. Nor does Islam divide us into castes.. all of us Muslims are equal..there's nothing such as untouchables in Islam :-)

Indeed there are a group of people who have misinterpreted the religion to use for their benefit, which is exactly what you are doing. BUT... i'll let you know when i start caring about what people like you think.
16:09 September 29, 2010 by Flying_Blue
@Jibzy: Wow! We are trying to conduct games with our limitations, plenty of mistakes that we will learn from and get stronger in due course.

Oops, what happened last week, NATO almost nuk'd you. Will continue more, my friend, if your country lives to see tomorrow. Your desperate gile is understandable, when people are desperately living in fear to be smoked everyday by Taliban or NATO or US or your own ISI or the RAW, the list grows. Pity, leaky toilets in Common wealth Games would feature even more than the loss of these poor lives. Depressing state of affairs, Mr. Jibzy. Find ways to mend them or else continue to gile around, my two cents.
16:24 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
@Der Grenadier aus Aachen - Thanks for the personal attack. I was wondering when that was due.


In what way was that a personal attack? Since you were waiting for one you are obviously paranoid, might be all this looking for boogeymen around every corner.

But if you think that was a personal attack then by all means report the post and let the mods decide, otherwise don't start bleating and playing the victim card in here after your sabre rattling and ill thought half-baked idea that the Western industrialised nations can wipe out a civilisation, they can't even work together and wipe out Malaria or 3rd world debt.

As for targetting, I'm referring to which terrorists, which Muslims? Would you leave any of the "nice ones" out of your your genocide of staggering proportions? If so how do you suggest we might select them and surgically remove them, would they have yellow symbols sewn onto their sleeves? Because I'm thinking that as terrorists they are not likely to stand around to be counted, or is it perhaps just a wide net you're throwing here?
16:27 September 29, 2010 by great_warrior
@ JIBZY....i must say you are genius..I am so amazed how can Koran teach killings in any manner..Now i can understand why most of terrorists kills innocents in name of allah and rest modenrn muslims support them.

I am neither from India nor from Pakistan..Regarding CWG 2010.

Atleast many countries came to participate in the games but just think of Pakistan not even a single country want to come to play one game of criket...your players recently have been caught in match fixings...shame on you guys..Terrorists even attacked Srilankan team in Pakistan...More big shame.Pakistan can never imagine to have any CWG..If so no one would like to risk his life in terrorist country.Just see the what US ranked Pakistan...it is in world's top ten failed nations and epicentre of terrorism.

India and Pakistan were made on same day.Just see India today ..It is the second most developing country.They produce Engineers,doctors,cars,medical technology etc..On other side see Pakistan..they only produce terrorists. Pakistan is the biggest begger nation asking everytime money from USA.I know many Pakistanis here in Italy who says they are Indian when they want to make a girlfriend or to find a job.

Anyway i should praise your courage that inspite coming from crap and begger country you can still argue with civilised people.
16:50 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p

You first had to tell us that you are from Pakistan or I should had to realise from your comments that you are from Pakistan.

Anyways, I leave you in peace. Enjoy or Keep Barking.
16:55 September 29, 2010 by great_warrior
Comment: @ JIBZY Nor does Islam divide us into castes.. all of us Muslims are equal..there's nothing such as untouchables in Islam :-) HAHAHAHAHA...This is the biggest JOKE of century..What about Shias,sunnis,ahmediyahs,Kurdish...ARE THEY HINDOOS OR CHRISTIANS....If all Muslims equal why you all treat Bangladeshis are low graded muslims...why you kill each other and bomb the mosques...anyway i cannot write more i am getting mad by laughing...Please read the genuine books for knowledge and not only the books which are written by retarted mullahs.
17:08 September 29, 2010 by Jibzy
I leave it here for people to judge. Good display of intelligence, writing and spelling capabilities. Hats off!
17:49 September 29, 2010 by toemag
@ Simon, it's Northern Ireland not Northern Island, and yes some of us went there and never fired a shot, or got shot at or fire bombed etc.

As to the use of terrorism to achieve political gains/aims/objectives, it's a none starter. I have an idea lets ban terrorism, make it illegal with some stiff punishment administered by an inconsequential stooge with a tickling stick, while offering them and their families religious and psychiatric support, not to mention housing, feeding, clothing, medical care, education, and money that they aren't entitled to. At the end of the day the religion of peace with it's fatwa's and jihads etc etc is a time bomb waiting to go off.

Am I scared, no. I have the authorities to look after my interests and protect my family and friends, yes the nanny state will sort things out for us ;-)
19:04 September 29, 2010 by JDee
bunch of dupes, the story is made up

go and read all the stories carefully, just one news agency sub-quoting another, the only actual story is an that a nameless 'source' says the bogey man is coming to get you. No confirmed evidence of an attack and a couple of hoax phone calls in Paris...

wake up people
19:26 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p

This is not the right place to talk abt India-Pakistan. But as you wrote my name in your post.

I would like to suggest you first that study root causes of any incidents and then have comments.

Slaughter of Muslims in Gujarat (or Gujarat riot) happened in 2002 when some people (noticed as muslims) burnt (Godhra) train which we carrying Hindu Pilgrims. Around 60 people were burnt and died. This reason was enough to spark riot. Many said Mr Modi was behind the killings of muslims in riot. After the riot there was election which was won by Mr Modi. Since Mr Modi became Chief Minister of Gujrat, the state is developing like never before. After the riot in 2002, till date not a single Hindu-Muslim issue happened in Gujarat.

Slaughters of Muslims in Kashmir?

Are you kidding dude?

If there were slaughters of muslims in kashmir, then how come more than half of the Kashmir is occuepied by Pakistan (POK region = Pakistan Occupied Kashmir)

Many indians have been killed and many have to leave the state, so that Pakistanis can take control of it. Just on 14th August this year Pakistanis hosted their flags in Kashmir. Many developments should be made in Pakistan but still you eye our Kashmir. If whole world (except USA) study Kashmir issue, many countries won't issue visa for any pakistani for sake of humanity.

about poverty and caste system issue:

This is our internal issue. Since more than 15 yrs Indian government is taking steps to mitigate the problem. Such issue can not solved within a few years. We are having reservation system where poor or caste students get free education + books. Till 4th standard students also get one time meal.


Population of muslims is increasing day by day in India but the population of hindus is decreasing month by month in Pakistan. The reason can be more scary than imagination.

there is many things to write about India's developments in last 63 years and many stuffs against Pakistan.

kindly requesting you to leave the India-Pak topic here and talk abt the Al-Qaida.
19:44 September 29, 2010 by DinhoPilot
Dudes... just don't ride the train, bus, plane and stay at home and away from the windows ^^
20:26 September 29, 2010 by mehta_p
lol......a pilot is advising about not to ride vehicles.....haha
22:55 September 29, 2010 by stutlocal
@Jibzy & @Self claimed internationalwatch from Pakistani's confined mentality.

Good to see in live how Pakistan is able to drive people's attention from its notorious activities, diverting each and every topic over India.

One straight question. India had Muslim presidents, for example, recently APJ Abdul Kalam for two terms. Can you assure your country would allow any individual from any other religion to be atleast one of them - head of military / chief justice / prime minister / president over next 100 years?
23:21 September 29, 2010 by localuser
Mr Mehta :

Stop your gibberish please that you learn in your Shakhaas and try spreading it in modern western country. Its because of less informed persons like you (who are Shakha educated) that bring bad names to the country.

Stick to topic, and pray that no such violent terror attacks happen in any part of the world. Understand that it is not your third grade Orkut debate forum.

talking of the rhetoric that you are saying that why all terrorists are Muslims, hope you have never heard of LTTE, IRA and other such groups. Else you would have never asked for it.

I won't get into the local politics and local terrorism that goes inside the country because we are in an international forum. Understand that before speaking any nonsense.


This is utterly shocking. Hope this menace of terrorism is wiped off completely.
23:38 September 29, 2010 by Joshontour
There is absolutely nothing to worry about...Obama has been briefed.
23:40 September 29, 2010 by stutlocal

I see mehta_p was always requesting every one to talk over the topic. Its actually some other users who wanted to divert the topic some where else and avoid the reality. Your point is right - Topic is different here and people should not divert it by bringing India and spreading false notions about it to save themselves.
00:49 September 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
If the foregoing comments are any indication of the festering religious, cultural and nationalistic hostilities in the world, it is obvious that we are all doomed.
01:57 September 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
And to think that these people have nukes pointed at each other!!!! Yikes!
03:02 September 30, 2010 by Logic Guy
Well, I'm pround to say that I'm a dedicated, very devout Christian. I am because I know that Christianity has extraordinary benefits. It's truly a brillaint concept when followed properly.

And yes, it's true, people do not commit acts of terror in the name of Christianty. Sure, there were religious wars, in the West, hundreds of years ago. But there is huge difference between a war, and violence aimed at innocent, everyday people.

Let's all be honest here. Obviously it's best that we not force Western and Middle-Eastern cultures onto each other. It's going to take new and very profound ideas to eradicate terrorism and religious conflict. It is nonetheless possible. Humans just have to believe.
07:24 September 30, 2010 by Raimund
Osama Bin Ladin Is Winning,, I did a video post on this topic a while back, about how Osama Bin Ladin said that he will defeat the west by making us spend all our money, and that's just what's happening right now, here's the link : http://speakup.forumcircle.com/viewtopic.php?t=513&highlight=osama+bin+ladin

Feel free to join and give your replies..
07:58 September 30, 2010 by wenddiver
No where in the article does the author identify the "extremistis as Muslims or Islamists, either he is a politically correct dumb F, or we are under attack by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, Green Bay Packer fans or maybe a mini-van full of 8 year olds who have spotted a McDonald's Drive Thru.
09:32 September 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Logic Guy wrote:

"And yes, it's true, people do not commit acts of terror in the name of Christianty. Sure, there were religious wars, in the West, hundreds of years ago. But there is huge difference between a war, and violence aimed at innocent, everyday people."

Apparently he never heard of the Christian who assassinated Dr. George Tiller in church because the assassin believed abortion was against the law of God. Logic Guy also never heard of the crackpot anti-gay Christian religious cult in Kansas that shows up at dead soldiers' funerals to terrorize their grieving families with hate speech. He also never heard of the other Christians who bomb abortion clinics and murder health care providers in the name of Jesus. The list of Christian terrorist acts aimed at "innocent, everyday people" is too voluminous to fill this space.
11:52 September 30, 2010 by closeenough
While it may be true that there are a relatively few christian nuts around their numbers pale in contrast to the numbers of Taliban, Al Queda and their closely and loosely associated co-conspirators around the world plus the plethora of state sponsored Islamic terrorists. Lets be realistic in comparing the threats. One is small and the other is apocalyptic.
13:41 September 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
It's only apocalyptic if everybody decides to live under siege and in a constant state of fear. Al Qaeda's attacks on Western soil have been extremely rare in the grand scheme of things, and the Taliban have executed exactly zero attacks on the West, yet the mere threat of an attack causes great nations to tremble and quake, not to mention imposing more and more police state surveillance and invasion of personal privacy. While constant intelligence gathering is required to thwart potential attacks, I maintain that these people should be regarded as more of a nuisance than an existential threat, like mosquitoes at a picnic. They kill greater numbers of Muslims on a monthly basis than the sum of all their Western victims combined. So let them kill one another and to hell with them. If you live in fear, they've won.
14:31 September 30, 2010 by closeenough
Whether mosquitos or wasps its not so nice if you're the one that gets stung. 9/11, London, Madrid, Times Square, the shoe bomber, etc. etc. It won't be very pretty if the Islamists get ahold of the WMD they would love to use and in that scenario it only takes one successful attempt.

John Kerry lost his bid for the presidency partly by insisting that "extremists" were merely a "police problem". It was apparent then as it is now that the problem goes way beyond the capabilities of the police. Lord only knows how the terrorists haven't gotten a weapon from Pakistan yet. When they do no city will be save.
20:00 September 30, 2010 by JDee
@internationalwatch +1

There ain't no AlQaeda, it's all manipulation. It's quite a shock to wake up after a lifetime and realise you were with the bad guys all along!
20:19 September 30, 2010 by closeenough
Its not the number of people terrorists have successfully killed so far, its the number of people they would like to kill. That would be a lot of us. Someday soon many people think a few of them are going to realize that ambition and the casualty numbers might compete very successfully with the tragic number of our yearly highway deaths.

I'm not for hiding under the bed but I'm also not going to ignore the direction from which these ambitions arise.
20:48 September 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Islamic terrorists haven't launched a successful attack on Western soil for 5 years. They don't have to. The mere threat is all it takes. They've succeeded with their strategy. All they have to do is get some chatter going on the internet or on their cell phones, talk about some "major" operation, and the rest of the world wilts. They've got the whole world scared sh*tless, which is, after all, the objective of terrorism. The mere thought of an attack by these stone-age lunatics paralyzes tourism, air traffic, international commerce and causes Western governments to spend hundreds of billions of dollars and euros chasing a phantom, to the point where Western governments are now going broke. Meanwhile, average citizens must acquiesce to the suspension of their individual rights for the sake of their "security." This was bin Ladin's stated intention, and it has worked like a charm. It will continue to work as long as the collective "we" allow it. We are the enablers of the nefarious ambitions you dread. I say f*ck 'em. Arrest them when we can, kill them when we must, but don't give them the satisfaction of bankrupting our countries, shredding our constitutions and scaring us into paralysis.
22:30 September 30, 2010 by JDee
this guy can summarise far better than me, so check it out, everything he is talking about is out there, if you don't know any of this, then here's an opportunity to begin learning The Truth About Terrorism - James Corbett

youtube watch?v=g6qtGzRkK6o
01:45 October 1, 2010 by Logic Guy
Well, perhaps most of you have come to realize that Prufrock2010 is committed to Liberlism. The problem with Liberlism is that it is the opposite of conservatism.

Therefore Liberlism is destructive and it literally threathens the existence of humans.

I agree, there is no perfect religion. But let's all be honest here. Usually there are problems when Arab/Muslims and people from the West are forced to co-exist. And as we comment here, that Middle-Eastern Muslim guy in Iran, is hell bent of launching World War III.

As a devout Christian, I know that God cares about everyone.

However, according the Bible, He also knows that there will be problems when Jewish/Christian cultures try to live along side Muslims and Islam.

To be conservative is to do as you should. I live this to the fullest everyday. And I'm absolutely sure, that this concept is the only one that can save humans from becoming extinct.
03:28 October 1, 2010 by Der Grenadier aus Aachen
@Logic Guy

I think your critique of liberalism may carry more weight if you knew how to spell it.
06:57 October 1, 2010 by JohnPaul44
We in the US know how to protect ourselves against terrorists! I recently read about an Arab diplomat who was arrested in the Denver (USA) airport for sneaking into the bathroom to light up a cigarette. He was deported for "flaunting airport security." Fortunately, our heroic airport guards charged through a cloud of deadly second-hand smoke to apprehend him in time! Can you imagine what might have happened if he had succeeded in his plan to board the aircraft carrying several deadly cigarettes hidden in his shirt pocket?
10:39 October 1, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Poor Logic Guy sees the end of civilization coming from every direction. Not just from evil people like me who are "committed to Liberlism" [sic], but also from "that Middle-Eastern Muslim guy in Iran" (now there's a true liberal for you, that Ahmadinejad) as well as the entire Arabic and Muslim populations on the planet. It must be pretty spooky to live in the head of Logic Guy. I guess he forgets that the Christ he claims to worship was one of those Middle-Eastern liberals back in his day, if historical accounts can be taken at all seriously. If the world were populated exclusively by people with the mental capacity of Logic Guy, human extinction would not only be inevitable, it would be a welcome occurrence.
15:39 October 1, 2010 by raandy
@Prufroc,,truly you should start our own show ,your stuff is great reading and entertaining.if your ever decide to go "live" please give me a chance to get on board,I smell a winner here.
16:19 October 1, 2010 by tallady
Logic Guy,,,I don't want to come down on you ,,but please reread your comments,sometimes they make little to no sense.Your a devote born again Christian, and you have very conservative points of view,understandable.

I grew up in that environment also,and was glad when i could get away from its gloom and doom prophecy. Its not about liberalism vs conservatism its about common sense, and most of prophecy don"t make any.
18:00 October 1, 2010 by Prufrock2010
raandy --

Thanks, I think. My legion of detractors around here would disagree with you, but who cares?
02:23 October 2, 2010 by JohnPaul44

Please do not refer to Logic Guy's ranting as "conservative points of view." Years ago, I proudly called myself conservative, until that once honorable title was taken over and perverted beyond all recognition by lunatic fringes of fundamentalist Christians. I have actually seen those people froth at the mouth as they scream out prayers of hate to their peculiar concept of a Deity.

Their views have no relation to real conservatism, nor to Christianity that I can see!
00:10 October 4, 2010 by closeenough
I absolutely agree with Raandy, The Prufrock2010 show can be very entertaining. But a little goes a long way.
20:21 October 7, 2010 by veritas_69
@JohnPaul44...you probably weren't really a conservative anyway. Probably one of those "moderates" that doesn't really stand for anything.
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