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Man admits stabbing former teacher over poor marks

The Local · 28 Sep 2010, 14:33

Published: 28 Sep 2010 14:33 GMT+02:00

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Florian K. told the court in at the opening of his trial in the town of Frankenthal that he had planned to kill other teachers and students in a bloody rampage to avenge years of bullying and mistreatment.

“I wanted to get revenge for years of humiliation,” he told the court.

He stabbed the 58-year-old male teacher to death in a secluded stairwell at the vocational school in the city of Ludwigshafen after luring him there on a pretext and then locking him in.

Prosecutors have previously said that further deaths or injuries were averted only because two police patrols responded quickly to a smoke alarm the young man set off by trying to light a fire.

Four police with guns drawn managed to persuade Florian K. to put down the knife and starter pistol he was carrying. Authorities then quickly evacuated the school, which had about 3,200 students inside.

Florian K. had been bullied for years at the school, he told the court on Tuesday. He was picked on both physically and mentally as early as elementary school because he was overweight, he said.

“I cannot imagine that the teachers there never noticed anything,” he said.

He showed no remorse for his crime, though he admitted having asked himself “whether such a crime was the right step.”

According to his lawyer Gabriele Haas, Florian K. suffered from a personality disorder.

“He cannot express his feelings,” she said.

Florian K. stabbed the 58-year-old teacher from Darmstadt to death on February 18 because the teacher had given him poor marks, the young man told the court. After that, he had been “goalless” at school, he said.

After the stabbing, Florian K. went through the school and lit a bright flare known as a “Bengali fire.”

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He then fired at the school headmaster with a starter pistol. Investigators later found a cache of imitation guns, munitions and chemicals at Florian K.'s home.

They also found a hit-list with the names of teachers, students, and former supervisors and employees at a job centre. Prior to committing the crime, Florian K. had been in a job centre assistance program.

He also told investigators he had previously planned to carry out a similar crime in 2008 but had ditched the idea.

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00:54 September 29, 2010 by MonkeyMania
One of life's losers. Hopefully schools will learn to notice these losers and avoid more killings.
02:28 September 29, 2010 by JohnPaul44
This "bloody rampage" could easily have been prevented by simply banning knives, or at least those with sharp points. Such deadly weapons obviously have no "social utility" other than to kill, and have no place in a civilized society!
07:44 September 29, 2010 by lordkorner
Banning knives?,how the hell would that help when every home in the land has an array of knives that can kill and maim, some solutions seem so easy to some people,eh johnpaul?
08:31 September 29, 2010 by hOU
^ ?!

Irony, Lordkorner. I.R.O.N.Y. :P
10:37 September 29, 2010 by JohnPaul44
OK, I admit it might be a little impractical to ban ALL knives, but surely we could pass reasonable laws to require kitchens to be kept securely locked and only one trained and licensed food-preparer in each household be allowed access to the kitchen. Is that unreasonable? The primitive "macho knife-nut" custom of carving ham or turkey at the table is totally unnecessary in modern society.
10:59 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
@JohnPaull44 "Is that undreasonable?" ROFL are you serious or smoking something? :-D

...meanwhile back in the real world...

Yes this lad is a nutter, but again it is another case where a kid went through school being bullied, if that had been stamped on then Florian K might not have followed in Tim Kretschner's footsteps and many others.

Maybe the fault is in schooling, perhaps parenting or even just simple German society where respect for another person just doesn't seem to be encouraged.

Every morning I get on the bus and I see this kid of about 10 years old bullying other kids, telling them to get out of their seats, to be quiet, not to play their music on their mobile phones while he talks etc, he is a right little Sh*t, one kid seems to get the treatment more than others. One day I can imagine this kid being picked up doing a Kretschner, but hopefully he has parents who bring him up the right way, hopefully the school will see this bullying and stop it, perhaps even joe public could dare step in and remind these little twerps about respect but that will be difficult since they show little respect for others themselves, apparently it is the German way.
12:16 September 29, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Hello, moistvelvet,

I am being sarcastic! Don't you recognize a parody of liberal-style anti-gun rhetoric when you hear it? Or are you a liberal?
13:46 September 29, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Of course John Paul is being facetious. He's basically a one-issue guy, and that issue is gun control, so he always circles back to that issue no matter the topic. I suspect, however, that if the young man in question had been able to obtain real firearms instead of a starter pistol and replicas, he probably would have shot the teacher to death rather than knifing him to death. Shooting is, after all, less personal, doesn't require close contact and is more efficacious.

That said, bullying in schools is a real problem in Germany and other western countries, including the US, and must be addressed in a serious way. We've had more than enough shooting rampages in schools lately, both here in Germany and abroad.
15:10 September 29, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Hello, Prufrock. I was wondering when you would jump in here.

I do have a wide variety of issues other than gun control. I feel sorry for the young man here. I know bullying in schools is common, and teachers cannot really do much about it. Children are cruel by nature. This young man seems to have been both fat and dumb, and that made him a perfect target. It seems that in this case, the teachers not only did nothing to stop it, but actually added to the problem..

I am surprised this kind of thing doesn't happen more often. I don't really have a solution to offer, so I will shut up!
15:36 September 29, 2010 by moistvelvet
@JohnPaull44 - I feel sorry for the young man here... Children are cruel by nature. This young man seems to have been both fat and dumb...

What a strange thing to say, so is this another sarcastic piece of rhetoric or are you simply a sarcastic piece of... ...contradictory enigma.
22:46 September 29, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I think John Paul was being sincere in his remark about being sorry for the young man. I am, too. Human compassion is not a black and white proposition. Of course I feel sorry for the young man's victim and his loved ones as well, but that wasn't John Paul's point. We should all grieve for innocent victims of crime.

Childhood bullying is a very serious problem that really requires some serious attention. The bullying attitudes that are overlooked or even encouraged in children manifest themselves well into adulthood, which results in not only a diminution of civilized behavior, but also a societal passive aggression that all too often erupts into violence. This problem is preventable if addressed early enough, and parents and teachers could use some education about how to identify it and deal with it constructively. We owe that much to our children and to our society.
00:54 September 30, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Hello, moistvelvet,

Contradictory enigma? That is one of the nicest things anyone has ever called me! I mean that sincerely!

I assure you that all the comments in my last post were completely sincere. I even thought they were relevant, accurate, and even showed a bit of understanding and compassion, yet you found them to be "strange"?

I looked back over your last post and found that you blame schools, parents, society and Joe Public. Very liberal of you. I agree that all these elements could stand some improvement, but that has always been true. Apparently, God did a cr*ppy job when he created humanity. (OOPS! Sarcasm again).

As for the "German way," I am of German ancestry and am appalled at the giant, self-destructive welfare state that Germany has become. I am sure it will self-destruct as fast as a certain other regime we cannot mention in this forum.

By the way, Prufrock, I am sure the young man meant it to be very personal when he stabbed the abusive teacher, rather than shooting him!

01:09 September 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
John Paul--

Where is it stated or even implied that the teacher was "abusive?" All he did was give the kid poor grades. Hence my point about passive aggression morphing into something else, albeit targeting the wrong victim. I can't support your thesis, and I remember Columbine all too well.
04:32 September 30, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Hello, Prufrock,

The statement in the story ¦quot;I cannot imagine that the teachers there never noticed anything,¦quot; after years of humiliation, implied to me that the teachers knowingly ignored the bullying, but I agree that "abusive" is far too strong a word. Also, I do not in any way condone the young man's actions. I only meant to say that I "understood" them. I also agree that he "suffered from a personality disorder," but that is not an excuse for such a crime.

Not enough information is given in the story to make a detailed psychological or moral analysis of this specific case.

Bullying is not the only problem in our schools that needs serious attention. The results of Achievement tests in California schools just came out, and almost half the state is dumb as stumps!
08:59 September 30, 2010 by lordkorner
@johnpaul44 "This young man seems to have been both fat and dumb, and that made him a perfect target." Could this be the answer as to why so much of this type of thing goes on in the States?
09:49 September 30, 2010 by JohnPaul44
hmmm. Good point!
11:36 September 30, 2010 by tallady
The students that carried out the shootings at Columbine school did not look "fat and dumb".

and Prufroc that was a good point about the firearms not being available to this young man..he surely would have used one if there was one available and the situation would have been more deadly.

Bullying has always been a problem in schools., as a former student and teacher i saw a lot of it,sure there are teachers that look the other way but there are many that refer this to the guidance councilors ,who try to help,often the victim of this abuse refuses to talk about it or finger point.

I believe a lot of this is a "copy cat " scenario from the news..I always hate to see this so publicized on the news..you know it is not the last you will see of it,only the beginning.

I remember this movie called "clockwork orange" in 1971, then weeks after there were 3 or 4 incidents almost identical to the movie..

I do not have the answer to solve the problem but over publication of it surely does not work...
13:07 September 30, 2010 by JohnPaul44
The story here about a lone young man, not too bright and mentally disturbed, striking out at his perceived tormenters after suffering "years of humiliation" is not quite the same as the shootings at Columbine, where a rebellious group of teenagers acted out a (in their minds) copy-cat dramatic scene. The solutions would be quite different.

This is not a gun problem, it is a social problem. Guns have been with us since the country was founded, but these problems in our schools are new problems and must be recognized as such.

The "consolidation" of our schools which began in the 1950s has turned our schools into giant impersonal food service and transportation industries, run by distant bureaucracts and hordes of "administrators," not by teachers. Education has been replaced by "politically correct" indoctrination. A return to the old one-room country schools would be impractical, but dividing our giant schools into much smaller, separate units where students could again be known as individuals would be a good first step.

The knee-jerk "zero tolerance" policy in our schools borders on mindless lunacy. I remember reading a story about a young boy who was suspended and threatened with expulsion for drawing a picture of a gun in school! If any solution is possible, it will certainly not be found by such "mush-for-brains" school administrators!

Get rid of the "politically correct" bureaucracts and the hordes of administrators. let the teachers run the schools again!
13:44 September 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
And you might want to give the teachers combat pay while you're at it.
15:16 September 30, 2010 by tallady
Comment: JohnPaul,,I see your point about the difference between Columbine and this article..but a gun in the hands of the young man would still equal dead people. I grew up along the Canadian border where hunting was a way of life ,for my 12th B day I got a 16ga. shotgun and my mother thought nothing of me going out the back door to hunt birds..I never saw the need for hand guns,they are no good to hunt with. The Right to Bear Arms people should have conceded hand guns long ago.There thinking was 1st hand guns then long guns,,I do not believe that would have been the case,instead it would have been a step in the right direction.Hand guns automatic rifles have no place in todays society.Canada has a policy similar to that,and you can see the difference in violent crimes committed with a gun per cap. I also remember the "good old days when school was small and I knew everyone and there parents ,its almost all gone now, things change,and our policies need to change with it,like it or not for the good of everyone or at least the attempt should be. Hand guns are not in the best interest of the people..I new a person that shot another person in the middle of the night for trying to steal his car.This person was outraged that he should be charged with a crime,as he was only trying to protect his property those days are as dead as my childhood.
00:35 October 1, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Thanks, Tallady,

I also grew up near the Canadian border, in southern Michigan. I received my first .22 rifle at age 11. I did a little casual hunting as a boy, but soon developed a strong aversion to the killing of defenseless animals for sport, although I certainly would not ban hunting for others.

Both my wife and I owned handguns and had CCW permits to carry them, although neither of us ever carried them on our person, only in the car during long trips alone. A shotgun might be useful for home defense, but is cumbersom to handle at very close range.

As a lifelong gun owner and member of NRA, etc., I am very opposed to the criminal or careless use of guns. However, most anti-gun regulations seem to be directed toward making gun ownership difficult or impossible for law-abiding citizens, while leaving guns only in the hands of criminals who sneer at such laws.

It is impossible to have a rational discussion of gun regulations with most liberals for two reasons. First, they hate guns and consider the gun itself to be evil. Second, they often have no experience or knowledge of guns, have never owned or even touched a gun. Their ignorance is comical. I saw this demonstrated about 15 years ago when I lived in the Seattle area.

During a city council meeting to discuss proposed new gun regulations, as a publicity stunt, a rabidly anti-gun council member pulled a small pistol from her purse, held it up and announced: "This is a 25-millimeter automatic." Before she could continue with her prepared speech, waves of laughter spread through the audience from gun owners and other informed members of the public who knew that a 25-millimeter automatic gun might be mounted on a fighter aircraft or an infantry armored vehicle, but certainly could not even be lifted by a single person, much less be carried concealed. The woman's publicity toy was in fact a .25 CALIBER semi-automatic, a very different thing.

Incidentally, it turned out that the woman had borrowed the pistol and had not even bothered to obtain a CCW permit to carry it, thinking of herself, as a council member, to be above such things as mere laws. Her little political publicity stunt had badly backfired!
10:21 October 1, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I must be the exception to your generalization, John Paul. Even though I suspect you would label me as one of those dreaded "liberals," I have owned guns for most of my adult life and am highly qualified to use them. I don't hate them and I don't consider them to be "evil." I just believe that they should be strictly regulated. I had no problem applying for gun permits and submitting to background checks when I purchased my firearms, and apparently you and your wife had no problem following regulatory procedures to obtain your concealed carry permits. So what's the big deal? Strict regulation would not impinge on the rights of law-abiding citizens like you and me to own firearms, but it would somewhat limit the ability of criminals to obtain them easily. The fact that criminals "sneer at such laws" should not be determinative when it comes to gun regulations. That problem should be addressed by strict enforcement and enhanced penalties for illegal gun possession and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. In California it's a mandatory 5-year sentence enhancement for anyone convicted of a felony while using a firearm. It's not the solution, by any means, but it's a step in the right direction. Those who demand no gun regulation whatsoever are wittingly or unwittingly campaigning on behalf of criminals and others who should never be allowed anywhere near a firearm. Theirs is an irresponsible and antisocial position, in my view.
10:51 October 1, 2010 by JohnPaul44
Hello, Prufrock,

If all liberals were as rational as you appear to be, I might even trust them to run our public schools, but I suspect you know that you are far from a typical liberal. You must have heard enough of the anti-gun rhetoric to know that there is nothing rational about it. It is not gun regulation that I am against, it is allowing such people to have any say in it.

Years ago, I was proud to call myself a conservative. That changed after the fundamentalist Christians took over the title and people started avoiding me when I called myself a conservative. Now I simply call myself an independent.

I suggest you take a hard look at some of the people who now call themselves liberals. You may want to consider changing your own title!
11:15 October 1, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I never labeled myself a "liberal," John Paul. I said I suspected that you would label me as such. I most certainly don't owe my political philosophy to the Fabian movement that you referred to on another thread. That said, I have unabashedly and unapologetically fought for progressive principles throughout my lifetime, and will continue to do so as long as I draw breath. The so-called "liberals" have long since betrayed progressive principles in favor of a group-think orthodoxy that I find odious. The problem with labels is that they tend to undermine rational discourse by ignoring the complexities inherent in the entire panoply of socio-political thought. Labels might be good for bumper sticker slogans, but nothing else.
08:01 October 2, 2010 by JohnPaul44
I agree that bumper sticker slogans are useless to persuade anyone, but they do often repeat statements that are so obviously true that they shouldn't even require stating in the first place.

"Progressive" principles often sound good in theory, but they should be abandoned when they FAIL in practice. Liberal domination of our public schools is a good example. Sixty years of liberal domination has produced increasingly poor results, to the point that it was reported several years ago that more than half of American adults are now "functionally illiterate," even though many of them have high school diplomas.

I am ranting, and have already deleted most of this post.

I don't remember who said it, but it was from the time of Cromwell in England: "God save us all from the do-gooders!"
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