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Tokio Hotel twins moving to LA

The Local · 22 Sep 2010, 14:01

Published: 22 Sep 2010 14:01 GMT+02:00

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This November, the teen favourites will leave behind their home country and two bandmates to join their producer David Jost in Beverly Hills, California, daily Bild reported.

There, the singer and guitarist plan to write new songs, the paper said.

“Yes, Bill and Tom will be moving to Los Angeles, but they will maintain a home in Germany,” Jost told the paper.

The other two band members, 23-year-old bassist Georg Listing and 22-year old drummer Gustav Schäfer, will stay behind in Germany because they want to remain with their girlfriends.

Bild speculated that a recent break-in at their Hamburg home and stalking by adoring fans could be behind the move.

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The Kaulitz twins started Tokio Hotel, along with Listing and Schäfer, in their hometown of Magdeburg, bursting onto the music scene with their first album "Schrei" (Scream) in May 2006. It sold about 600,000 copies in its first week and went on to become a major success in France, Austria and Switzerland. The band’s first US single was released in late 2007.

According to Bild, the quartet has sold 8 million albums worldwide, and reached the top five in the charts of 15 countries with their latest DVD and live album “Humanoid City.”

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15:04 September 22, 2010 by closeenough
why is this worth any mention at all?
16:06 September 22, 2010 by Prufrock2010
How did they get Green Cards and work permits in the US when millions of qualified applicants are routinely denied? Oh, that's right. They're not Mexicans.

America's immigration policies are even more f'd up than I realized.
16:21 September 22, 2010 by domiDDD
I slept with one of the Kaulitz sisters.
16:26 September 22, 2010 by closeenough
Heck, why should we import anyone? If I were a member of America's underclass I'd be royally pissed that in today's environment where thousands of americans are losing their jobs the US is importing labor. Companies and corporations love south american cheap workers which mean they can sluff off their responsibility to educate and hire american citizens. Lets not even mention the strain importing cheap labor puts on our resources. America has always been in large part about the almighty dollar and devil take the hindmost. This attitude will come back to bite the country sooner rather than later and it won't be fixable by passing a law. By then anchor babies and chain migration along with willful disregard will contribute to unsolvable situation. Who ya gonna call? The ghostbusters won't be able to handle it, perhaps the mexican drug cartels will pitch in.
17:14 September 22, 2010 by OkieinBerlin
Sorry, closeenough, your political rant is attached to the wrong article. As far as I can see, this piece calls for clever sarcasm.
18:25 September 22, 2010 by closeenough
You're right of course OkielBerlin. But clever sarcasm costs more than the Local.de can afford to pay.
19:01 September 22, 2010 by Prufrock2010
closeenough --

Not even close, let alone close enough. Anchor babies? More tea party kool-aid. Do you have any idea what it takes for a child of an undocumented alien in the US to achieve citizenship? No, of course not.

Cheap labor? By that I suppose you mean working the farms and fields, the backbreaking work of picking the fruit and vegetables that lily-white Americans cannot and will not do. Maybe it's time for comprehensive immigration reform rather than rhetorical bomb-throwing at Latino minorities. Just a thought.
20:48 September 22, 2010 by wxman
I love that spelling of Tokyo; it's so WWII. Ahhh, nostalgia.
22:06 September 22, 2010 by closeenough
The following is a bit of a detour from the subject at hand but no sacrifice is too great for your further edification Prufrock 2010.

Chain migration is the primary mechanism that has caused legal immigration in the US to quadruple from about 250,000 per year in the 1950s and 1960s to more than one million a year since 1990. As such, it is one of the chief culprits in America's current record-breaking population boom and all the attendant sprawl, congestion, school overcrowding, and other impacts that reduce American's quality of life.

Chain migration is about family reunification beyond the nuclear family. Until the late 1950s, America's immigration tradition of family unity had only included spouses and minor children. But since then, immigrants can also send for their siblings, parents and adult children. These non-nuclear family members actually get precedence over an immigrant¦#39;s nuclear family. This ill-conceived system also creates incentives for illegal immigration because adult relatives of legal residents are known to overstay their visas (becoming illegal aliens) in hopes of becoming legal immigrants. Moreover, since hundreds of millions of people in the world have a relative in the U.S., the migration chain can eventually reach them all. The claim that chain migration is about ¦quot;family reunification¦quot; ignores the fact that each immigrant who comes to the U.S. ¦quot;disunites¦quot; another family by leaving some new relatives behind. If a person really wants to live near his/her extended family, he/she should remain in the country where that extended family lives. Except for the very small percentage of each year's newcomers who are refugees, nobody is forcing immigrants to leave their families.

So we see that anchor babies and chain migration is a real threat to American's quality of life. The same might be said for europe. I'm in favor of limiting immigration drastically and giving the "lily-white" americans a shot at those jobs at realistic wages. You may have to pay a bit more for your salads when visiting the US Prufrock but you'll rest easy knowing that America is a bit less likely to be swamped by a mostly uneducated army from the dregs of South America.
22:49 September 22, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Thanks for the "edification." I am most edified by the following quote from your ill-informed screed:

"You may have to pay a bit more for your salads when visiting the US Prufrock but you'll rest easy knowing that America is a bit less likely to be swamped by a mostly uneducated army from the dregs of South America."

Did you lift this nonsense from Glenn Beck or Bill O'Reilly?

In point of fact, illegal immigration in the US has declined by more than 50% in the past 10 years. Since you provide no citations to support your "thesis," and since you know absolutely nothing about American immigration law, I am now much more edified about your biases than you intended.

I lived in Southern California for 35 years. I am relatively familiar with immigration issues, from both a legal and practical standpoint. You are not.

Mexico, by the way, is in North America. A racist such as you should at least know that.
23:28 September 22, 2010 by closeenough
Its hard to believe that you lived in Southern California for 35 years and don't know that illegal immigration from the south into the US is hardly limited to Mexico. Maybe you just weren't paying attention.

No one here has brought up "race" until you did Prufrock2010 which is a red herring folks of your political persuasion create to camouflage the real issue in the immigration debate. Immigration decreases possibilities of employment for unemployed US citizens and decreases the quality of life for all americans with increased competition for housing, living space, employment, schooling and medical care. Not to mention the criminal ramifications that are becoming more serious every day. I agree with many folks who argue that it would be far better for both north and south america if potential immigrants were persuaded to remain at home to improve life in their own countries rather than to contribute to the overcrowding of the US cities, which is where many illegals end up.

The question arises is whether europe is doomed to follow the same pattern and quantity of immigration that has so adversely affected the quality of life in the US.
23:53 September 22, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I never said that illegal immigration is limited to Mexico. You made a point about the "dregs of South America," when we all know that most Latino immigration to the US is from Mexico.

I didn't bring up race. You brought up race, but simply omitted to use the term. That's called sophistry. So is your straw man scapegoating argument about the immigrants taking jobs away from "US citizens." The American agricultural industry could not survive without undocumented workers, who work for slave-like wages and have no legal recourse when they are denied basic human rights or are not paid. There are no more Tom Joads or poor white people who will or can do those backbreaking jobs, and certainly not for the wages paid to the hapless immigrants. Agribusiness is the real culprit, the real lawbreaker, taking advantage of people who simply want a better life. If the corporate interests that control the US government wanted immigration reform, the Republicans would go along with it. But they don't want it because it would dilute their profits.

Yes, I lived in California for 35 years and practiced law there until my retirement. California was part of Mexico long before it was part of the United States. The Latino culture is an indelible part of the American southwest. So who are the immigrants? Who are the interlopers? The manifest destiny of white America is a cruel fiction, written in blood. I know who runs the country these days, but I also know how they came to do so. Immigration is a problem that needs to be dealt with in a humane and practical way rather than by populist xenophobia and discrimination. Some adults have to enter the dialogue to resolve the problem, and I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future.
01:19 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
Thats almost funny Prufrock - you didn't bring up race so I'll do it for you and then accuse you of being a racist because everyone one knows if you don't agree with me then you're a racist.

Thats a bit rich even for you.

I also enjoyed the argument that in the beginning there were no borders so there shouldn't be any now. Ever wonder how the Mexicans feel about Americans violating their own border? Hint: they don't like it much.

And I also enjoyed your argument that the poor economy is former president Bush's fault therefore virtually unrestricted immigration has little effect on the ability of unemployed americans to find work. No comment needed.

Not a good batting average Prufrock. Its much better to admit that what both Europe and America need is an immigration time-out so western civilization can put together a coherent policy that will preserve our society and quality of life and work to the greater good rather than support industry that victimizes its fellow citizens and its own workforce.
08:35 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Now you're not only making up your own facts, you're deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote by using straw man arguments. Never did I suggest that there should be no borders. Never did I suggest that you are a racist because you don't agree with me. I suggested that you are a racist by directly quoting your own racist words back to you. Where did I allude to "virtually unrestricted immigration?" "Virtually unrestricted immigration" is your fantasy, not mine. In fact, immigration to the United States is highly restricted. Clearly you have no idea what the immigration process entails. If you want a clue, go to www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis.

Nor did I ever suggest that there is a poor economy. I said that the economy collapsed because of Bush's deregulation policies. Do you wish to deny that? Finally, please explain how undocumented workers are taking jobs away from Americans or preventing them from finding work. In what sectors would that be? Engineering? Manufacturing? Education? Public employment? Sales? Medicine? Service industries? Information technology? The only immigrants who work in any of those fields are LEGAL immigrants. Okay, I get it. You're not talking about undocumented immigrants who work as busboys, dishwashers and field workers, are you? Because those aren't the jobs that the 9.5 percent of Americans who are unemployed are applying for. You're referring to LEGAL immigrants who are competing in the American work force for the fewer jobs that exist. You're not opposed to illegal immigration; you're opposed to ALL immigration. I admit I underestimated you. I had you pegged for just another armchair tea party parrot who was seizing on illegal immigration to scapegoat a particular group of people, but I was wrong. You have revealed yourself as a xenophobe "nativist" who doesn't want any "foreigners" in your beloved land at all. Thanks for the edification. Enjoy your next Klan rally.
09:10 September 23, 2010 by auniquecorn

it´s closeenough´s turn.
10:16 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
Thanks auniqucorn. Prufrock's knee-jerk liberalism is so virulent that he needs more than one post at a time to get it all out.

Of course Prufrock is trying to paint me as a racist and a xenophobe because he has nothing else to use to try to counter folks who are pushing the US (and europe) to regain control of its borders. You don't have to be a Klan member to know that there are between 12 - 30 MILLION illegal immigrants (including caucasians) in the US and if you don't think that fact affects the quality of life of every american I've got a bridge I want to sell you. Prufrock wants us all to buy the bridge of virtually unrestricted immigration because it fits his everybody's everything agenda but as you and I and lots of other people know the price of shutting your eyes to border chaos is the descent of the country into multi culti decline.
10:47 September 23, 2010 by Deutschguy
closeenough is deliberately misrepresenting what prufrock asserted. Prufrock never suggested 'unrestricted immigration'.

It's agri-business, which heavily contributes to Republicans, who keep the borders porous and inviting, by employing illegal workers. The GOP takes their campaign cash, while it grandstands against illegals, but never does anything to actually stem the illegal tide or crack down on agri-business hiring practices. That would be more of that "Government Regulation Interference", doncha know!

The illegal workers are there in the numbers they are BECAUSE the GOP is paid to look the other way, even though they will appeal to ignorant voters like closeenough and convince them routinely to vote against their own economic interests.

closeenough is so good at misrepresentation and a selective presentation of facts that he could be on Fox Spews as a commentator/clown.

Oh, and Prufrock is exactly right.
12:48 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
Sorry Deutschguy but Prufrock is exactly wrong and I suspect both you and he know it. At least I hope you know it or both of you are duller than you pretend.

Nobody is misrepresenting anything when liberals talk about "comprehensive immigration reform". What they really mean is amnesty for illegals in the US and a path to legality for others. Well sorry, something like that might have been feasible in the last century when we had enough space and vast tracts of land that needed cultivating. But now? Sorry we're full up, whether you are from south of the border or east of the Urals. , We have lots of our own people out of work.

In addition tolerating illegal immigration is completely unfair to those aspiring immigrants who played by the rules and waited their turn. I and lots of others say find the illegals, deport them and let them apply for residency like everyone else. In the meantime lets beef up border security, enforce the immigration laws on the books to its full extent and enact some new ones that focus on meaningfully penalizing employers who consciously or inadvertently hire illegals. Getting that job done would fix the problem in short order. We'll watch the US drain of law breaking immigrants quicker than you can say no work here.

In a way europe is fortunate to be able to watch this problem unfold in the US. The question of course is whether this continent will learn enough to protect itself in time. Anyone?
13:43 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
"...between12 - 30 million illegal immigrants..." Wow, that's quite a spread. I'm impressed by the scholarship that went into the research of that number.

Trying to reason with a right wing American nativist is an exercise in futility. Facts don't interest them, they are oblivious to history (particularly their own), and their hate-mongering rhetoric against immigrants is the death rattle of a white population that is soon to become a minority. They are genuinely afraid of what will happen when they no longer control elections. Their canned arguments are prepared for them by people like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and Arizona Governor Jan ("I see beheaded people") Brewer.

In a rather perverse way I kind of hope they get a little power and push through some of their racist cultural agenda, just so I can experience the Schadenfreude from the backlash that will inevitably bite them in the ass.

America is in deep decline, not because of its immigrants, but because of the know-nothings who are exemplified by our xenophobic friend.
14:28 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
Yep Prufrock, no sense trying to reason with people you don't agree with when you can stick a label on them like racist, nativist and know nothing, put them in a box to try and feel superior. Everyone around here will be bitten in the ass including the politically correct crowd like yourself when the barbarians at the gates start to overwhelm civilization. According to you it will be the fault of the folks who saw it coming. Of course when the new dark age dawns you'll find some excuse in order to pretend that you were right all along.
15:02 September 23, 2010 by LancashireLad
"Barbarians at the gates"?. Very sensationalist. Exactly who are you describing?
15:35 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
Its is sensational that folks who don't believe in the equality of women, who believe that God commands them to conquer and rule people of other faiths and who refuse to integrate into countries that accept them are not recognized en masse for the threat they represent. But its not surprising. Europe has grown fat, lazy and myopic when cheap labor is at issue.
15:53 September 23, 2010 by tallady
Prufroc ,whats up with the NBA draft????
15:53 September 23, 2010 by LancashireLad
I thougt you were talking about immigration and cheap labor in the US, not Europe.

The immigrants from Mexico and South America are mainly christian, so which god is commanding them to conquer the US which, albeit religiously independant as far as your constitution goes, is also perdominantly christian?
15:55 September 23, 2010 by Nina Williams
"Its is sensational that folks who don't believe in the equality of women, who believe that God commands them to conquer and rule people of other faiths and who refuse to integrate into countries that accept them are not recognized en masse for the threat they represent..."

Are we still talking about Tokio Hotel or have we moved on to Jews and Catholics?
15:58 September 23, 2010 by LancashireLad
We appear to have hijacked a dull, pointless bit of nowt, to a ..... "debate" on immigration (which I believe is the link), racism and phobia of anything different. I believe closeenough has moved from illegal immigrants in the US to the current debates in Europe, specifically Germany, regarding Islam.
16:25 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
tallady --

I don't know and couldn't care less.

LancashireLad --

My original comment on this thread was a rhetorical question relating to how the boys from Tokio Hotel managed to get green cards in the US when other qualified applicants cannot. This thread was then hijacked by an American troll with no apparent connection to Germany who seems determined to proselytize a particularly odious right wing agenda mirroring that of Fox Noise in the US. It happens all the time around here, thanks to the wonders of the internet and the ubiquity of computers in the hands of high school dropouts.
16:45 September 23, 2010 by LancashireLad
Hi Prufrock, good to talk to you again.

Yes I sort of guessed that. That's why I took just one point and asked him/her to elaborate - the "keep it simple, stupid" principle. At which point s/he switched both continents and target. Most stable.

Mind you, my own experience with the INS was a cloud with a definite silver lining. I had a job secured in NY at the end of 1999 and the Visa was applied for in about November of 1999 if I remember correctly. The approval eventually came through in June of 2000 - having been lost internally to the INS for 2 months. I rejected it as in the intervening half a year I had met the lady who is now my wife.

i have no idea how our Home Office / Border Authority compare in that respect.
17:09 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
So now everyone you disagree with is a high school dropout Prufrock? If I were you I wouldn't mention the fact that I was a lawyer given the general public's high opinion of them. As a matter of fact I might be reminded of Shakespear's directive in Henry VI and keep my profession as veiled as possible. ;-)
17:34 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
That wasn't Shakespeare's directive. It was a comedic line uttered by one of Shakespeare's characters, "Dick the Butcher." A high school graduate would know that.

LancashireLad --

A silver lining indeed. Good for you. The US immigration process is even more Kafka-esque since 9/11, as you might imagine. I consulted three specialists in immigration law while contemplating applying for a resident visa for my wife, but the process was so convoluted that we both said "screw it" and I moved to Europe instead. I guess I found a silver lining, too. The way things are going now in the US, I'm sure of it.
17:45 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
And you'll have to learn to read more carefully Prufrock. My quote was a "directive in Henry VI", not Shakespear's directive. Of course you're confusing and obfuscating the facts. Its what gives lawyers a bad name.
18:00 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Jesus Christ, are you really that thick? You wrote: "As a matter of fact I might be reminded of Shakespear's directive in Henry VI..."

You can't remember what you wrote 36 minutes ago even while you're looking at it! No wonder you can't engage in a coherent discussion.
18:16 September 23, 2010 by DinhoPilot
Uff!!!!! I though was about 3 guys and 1 girl moving around?!
18:22 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
A little "nativist" humor for the uninitiated.

18:37 September 23, 2010 by tallady
Prufrock,we both know you do.... I love those "snarky" remarks,,whats the matter prufrock,life in the US was not good for you ,you were the victum of racist remarks,,thats the cards you drew,,hopefully you understand my HS drope out vocabulary,,hey thats what it is bro, my childhood was good no violence no racist remarks ,,thats why i hate to se it change but you who do not have a good feeling for your former turf ,could care less, so being a dip sh--t liberal ,condescending jerk is your way of getting even,,poor boy,,but not my problem....
18:49 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
It certainly seems to be your problem. It sure as hell isn't mine.
18:54 September 23, 2010 by tallady
OH but it is ..rick
18:57 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Don't worry. Some of my best friends are white.
18:59 September 23, 2010 by tallady
Dito some of my are black
19:21 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
How very white of you!
20:09 September 23, 2010 by closeenough
"so being a dip sh--t liberal ,condescending jerk is your way of getting even"

So you two know each other do you?
21:19 September 23, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Never bring a knife to a gunfight, honey bunny.
08:49 September 24, 2010 by tallady
Prufock,,you like T.S.Elliot....??? we are still playing B-ball on Fridays>>>>>just come and leave the knives and guns home..
12:01 September 24, 2010 by Prufrock2010
It's Eliot. One "l", not two. Any high school graduate would know that, too.
12:15 September 24, 2010 by closeenough
Tallady already admitted to being a high school dropout, why rub it in? On the other hand he or she knows how to handle a knife really well. Perhaps instead of insulting Tallady again you should wipe some of your blood off the floor first.
15:36 September 24, 2010 by Prufrock2010
The knife comment was directed to you, Honey Bunny. The other cretin's not capable of understanding it.
18:32 September 24, 2010 by tallady
Purfrock,,here is a little more of my HS drop out vocabulary .

You are a PERFECT example of how You cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

You do know what I mean..and I have no doubts that you will as you always do "rise to the bait" You are so predictable. pass auf dich auf rick....
19:16 September 24, 2010 by Prufrock2010
A misspelled cliché. Quod erat demonstrandum. It's too bad that you have such low self-esteem, but it's well-deserved. And besides, I've reached an age where I simply don't give a rusty f**k. Why don't you cyberstalk somebody else for a while, since you have nothing of value to contribute to any discussion?
02:38 September 25, 2010 by DavidtheNorseman
Oddly Prufrock's comment that started this off is rather silly....INS never has a problem with elite specialists whose services are requested by the legal teams of powerful groups or corporations. Tokio Hotel are elite specialists in their own field (hey, I prefer Howard Carpendale, but to each their own...). Engineers and below will have problems and regular peasants will have little chance, but I think we can agree that TH has had enough success to be a couple of standard deviations above the normal...

Cheap farm labour is a part of the problem in the US South West, but as the US becomes more of a welfare state the issue of extra 10's of millions of people drawing on those resources is not trite.

True enough though that the rejection of the values that made America great has diminished her. They can't blame the immigrants for abortion.......

I suspect Tokio Hotel will do very well in the US.
08:49 September 25, 2010 by auniquecorn
Prufrock2010 17

Closeenough 15

You guys had it goin pretty good,

I forgot what the headline was about.
10:42 September 25, 2010 by Prufrock2010
DavidtheNorseman --

That was precisely the point I was making in the first place -- that entertainers and "celebrities" who make a negligible contribution to the economy and society at best are given immigration priority over highly qualified professionals and other workers whose skills are actually needed. Meanwhile, those who do the sh*t work for less than minimum wage under intolerable conditions are scapegoated and reviled. This is an elitist system that is both hypocritical and self-destructive.

As for abortion, which is another topic altogether, my opinion is that if you don't want to have one don't have one. Other than that it's nobody else's business.
13:14 September 25, 2010 by closeenough
"A misspelled cliché. Quod erat demonstrandum. It's too bad that you have such low self-esteem, but it's well-deserved. "

If anyone around here deserves to be "cybestalked" Prufrock, its you.

I enjoyed your pronouncement that "entertainers and "celebrities" are less deserving than "highly qualified professionals". I'd much prefer having more entertainers and celebrities in the country than lawyers, at least their performances tend to be more honest. And without a sufficient supply of TV personalities how would you spend your afternoons in front of your television, other than taking the occasional break to leave silly and vitriolic comments here of course.
13:24 September 25, 2010 by Prufrock2010
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. The next time you get in trouble with the law or are served with a civil suit, call a TV personality.
13:31 September 25, 2010 by closeenough
They'd probably do a better job and they're certainly more trustworthy.
13:57 September 25, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Maybe you could get Lindsay Lohan to represent you. She's getting quite of bit of legal experience lately, and she's certainly trustworthy.
15:01 September 25, 2010 by closeenough
Well at least with Lindsay what you see is what you get.
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