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Teen fatally stabbed in Hamburg S-Bahn station

DDP/DPA/The Local · 15 May 2010, 16:33

Published: 15 May 2010 16:33 GMT+02:00

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The young man was waiting for the S-Bahn at the Jungfernstieg station with a friend, aged 17, when he was approached by one member of the group on Friday evening.

“The four other youths followed, and a short, verbal fight broke out,” Hamburg police said in a statement.

According to police, video footage shows the five-person group then set off for the U2 metro train platform, where they were involved in an altercation with another man wearing blue jeans and a white shirt. Police are urgently looking to contact him as a potential witness.

Following the dispute, the group returned to the S-Bahn platform, where they encountered the 19-year-old man and his friend. A fight broke out and the victim was stabbed in his torso.

Police said the mortally wounded young man and his friend escaped toward the U-Bahn train platform, where the victim collapsed.

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“Attempts at resuscitation by paramedics called [to the scene] were unsuccessful,” the police statement read.

Police are searching for five teenagers between the ages of 17 and 18, between 170 and 178 centimetres in height, or between 5’7” and 5’10”, and of slender body type. A police spokesman said extensive high-quality video footage of the incident was available.

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19:20 May 15, 2010 by danceswithgoats
Mmmmm. So were these youths white, black, brown? Any accents or anything else I can use as a concerned citizen to help track down this pack of predators? Typical politically correct article that doesn't even give you usable information about murderers.
19:25 May 15, 2010 by ColoSlim
High quality video is good, but let see a still image already and hope someone recognizes this bastard.
19:32 May 15, 2010 by Prufrock2010
danceswithgoats --

Who appointed you the citizen vigilante to track down this pack of predators? I suspect the police know the race and skin color of the attackers from the surveillance videos.

Or are you just trolling for another angle to incite some racial or ethnic discord?
20:46 May 15, 2010 by DoubleDTown
danceswithgoats has a good point. Why tell us their age, weight, height and body type without giving further details? How can citizens (i) help the police find them; (ii) stay out of their way - without knowing what they look like. Hats? Distinctive jackets? Hair color or style?
23:47 May 15, 2010 by janreg58
Danceswithgoats doesn't have a good point, he sounds just as hateful as the 5 murdering teens! I've seen the teens in Germany, and they have nothing to do. But that doesn't give them a reason to go around causing havoc and murdering people! They need to be mentally and physically stimulated the right way! Not like Danceswithgoats, angry!
23:51 May 15, 2010 by pepsionice
Just an observation (and yes, I spent fifteen years living in Germany)....at some point, people will finally have enough of the brat attacks, and there will be a very quiet vigilante effort taken by hundreds...if not thousands. When the cops start reporting two kids here and three kids there...attacked...and they had police reports on them in the past for violence...that will be the sign.

Wrong? This isn't the safe society of 1988 that we are talking about. Anyone on a given night in a major German town can be attacked now. It's become a game....and the cops can't fix it.
01:12 May 16, 2010 by janreg58
I think that the laws are too easy on young offenders. They need to be taught, that if you commit a crime, you're not going to get slapped on the hand and sent home to mom and daddy. Put them in with the real hard criminals for a few days, and see how they like it.
09:13 May 16, 2010 by JohnnesKönig
@janreg58 just another bleeding heart point of view. Just because they have nothing to do is no excuse for stupid choices... perhaps danceswithgoats only hates the actions and not the person that did this. There needs to be a strong message of accountability here! There are more public eyes than those of the police...
17:13 May 16, 2010 by mmanik
Jungfernstieg is one of the big S-U bahn stations in Hamburg and normally has some police presence, railway staff and lot of crowd over the weekend. These victims did not get help from any one....
18:56 May 16, 2010 by Joshontour
No Janreg58... danceswithgoats does make a good point. If more citizens got involved when things like this happened, things like this wouldn't happen so often. and @ Prufrock... I think you're the one trolling, you comment more on other people's comments than you do on the articles. How about saying something original for a change instead of always blasting other peoples opinions?
19:18 May 16, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Joshontour --

I think I make more original contributions to these threads than most. Read my posts on various subjects. Or don't. I am curious, however, as to muted inflammatory comments and the motives behind them, which is why I ask for clarification (which seldom comes). This is a discussion forum, after all. The articles are simplistic and are intended to trigger discussions. But thanks for the unsolicited advice. If you don't like what I have to say, ignore it.
11:46 May 17, 2010 by danceswithgoats
Prufrock - you can't solve a problem if you don't acknowledge there is one.

This article is a great example of modern day PC. If skin heads from the East murdered people on a subway platform do you think they would be identified in the article by their clothing, haircuts, accents, etc? Of course they would because they are not part of a "protected class". If a Christian kills an abortion doctor in the US is their religious affiliation discussed in detail? Of course it is. If a Muslim attempts to blow up a car in Times Square are the words "Muslim" or "Islam" even mentioned in the article? Of course not.

Our liberal, effete media is going to keep underwriting criminality by minority groups in some sort of misguided social engineering experiment until your average Burger has had enough. Then the pendelum will swing.
13:25 May 17, 2010 by Prufrock2010
danceswithgoats --

By "our liberal, effete media" I assume you're referring to Fox News, correct? CNN, perhaps? Well, that's your liberal, effete media, not mine, as I don't live in the U.S.

While I agree that political correctness has often been carried too far, I dispute some of your other assertions. The guy who murdered Dr. George Tiller received plenty of media coverage that included his religious and political affiliations, as they were his defense at trial. Right wing wacko religious groups that attack gays and women's reproductive rights are prominently featured in news stories, both in print and on television, and their religious views revealed and discussed. Immediately after the identity of the doofus who tried to blow up Times Square was known, his Islamic affiliations were exhaustively covered in the press. The litany goes on and on.

One solution to your dilemma, which is already in common usage in the news media, is to publish photographs or artists' sketches of the perpetrators of crimes in lieu of verbally identifying their race. That way the discerning reader or viewer can decide for himself how to deal with his prejudices.
13:31 May 17, 2010 by LancashireLad

Do you think the lack of the information you want in this article is not due to The Local's reporting but due to the fact that the police haven't released the information? If they have then there are plenty of other sources you can research to find it. If they haven't, why do you think that might be?

Let's follow (what I believe to be) your preferred scenario to its conclusion. You read about this attack and the detailed description of the youths involved. As a concerned citizen you go out looking for them or maybe happen across a group of youths answering the description (it's not them, however, as any group of youths could probably answer their description). So what would you do?

A level-headed person might call the police to report them. the police show up and interview and htey all have water-tight alibis, so it's not them. Now mulitply that by say, even just 1000 "concerned citizens". Do you think the police have that manpower to continually go after wild goose chases?

A not so level-headed person might decided to take the law into his own hands (yes, such people exist), and as I said this is just a random group, not the actual perpetrators. Now what have you got?

I think there are probably very good reasons why the police have withheld some of the information.
15:37 May 17, 2010 by danceswithgoats
Prufrock - not sure how you can identify Fox as "liberal" in any stretch of the imagination. They are not my liberal, effete media as I don't live in the States either.

I disagree that the "doofus" in question had his Islamic affiliations covered exhaustively. Even the Attorney General of the US won't use the word "Islamic" when discussing the case. It is laughable. Numerous articles made no mention. Mayor Bloomberg even went so far as to say it might be a Tea Party member that was upset over losing his house. Buffoonery.

LancashireLad - so why even mention "five teenagers between the ages of 17 and 18, between 170 and 178 centimetres in height, or between 5¦#39;7¦quot; and 5¦#39;10¦quot;, and of slender body type"?

janreg58 - typical liberal response to something like this. Blame the establishment for not stimulating the youths properly. You are all to blame because you didn't spend enough tax money paying tribute to disenfranchised minorities so they are justified in murdering random people on the subway. Ridiculous! It is racist to even believe this as it underwrites their criminal behaviour as a result of some sort of unattended cultural need/deficiency.
15:46 May 17, 2010 by LancashireLad

OK, I'll try again. Why would you want to see such information in the article?
16:23 May 17, 2010 by T.J. Morton
"I disagree that the "doofus" in question had his Islamic affiliations covered exhaustively. Even the Attorney General of the US won't use the word "Islamic" when discussing the case. It is laughable. Numerous articles made no mention. Mayor Bloomberg even went so far as to say it might be a Tea Party member that was upset over losing his house. Buffoonery."

That is simply not true @danceswithgoats. The Huffington Post even mentioned his nationality and terrorism ties. And you probably won't find a more liberal source of news. Bloomberg didn't jump to conclusions, and neither did the rest of the media, until they had details to back up assertions. The U.S. has had it's share of home grown terrorism, with NO ties to Islam. The current political climate in the U.S. makes it easy to believe that some nut job, irritated that he couldn't pay his mortgage, decided to attack innocent people.

To assume that any terrorism is somehow related to Islam is only inciting further hatred between religious, racial, or ethnic groups.
16:36 May 17, 2010 by Prufrock2010
danceswithgoats --

I wouldn't characterize Fox News as "liberal," either. In fact, I wouldn't characterize that ultra right-wing hate-mongering network as anything other than a propaganda machine. CNN's not far behind. So much for attempts at irony.

The Attorney General of the United States identified Faisal Shazad, the would-be Times Square bomber, as a naturalized American citizen of Pakistani origin who had ties to the Pakistani Taliban within hours of his arrest, which occurred about 53 hours after the vehicle was discovered. It was unnecessary to use the word "Islamic" in this description, as everyone is able to connect the dots. The "liberal, effete" news media that you vilify (even though I'm sure that you can't define the term "liberal") has since reported exhaustively of Shazad's Islamic beliefs, his radicalization in his Islamic beliefs, and his training (albeit poor training) at a Pakistani Taliban training camp. So you are incorrect. I suspect that you are using this thread to stir up anti-Islamic sentiments that are consistent with your own, but I could be wrong.
16:39 May 17, 2010 by Lars16102
Were the thugs Turks or Pakistani or North African?
17:06 May 17, 2010 by danceswithgoats
Yeah, Muslims are suffering such a backlash in the States that they just elected one as Miss America!

I think it is rich that everyone says Islam has nothing to do with terrorism except for the terrorists themselves. They don't jump to any conclusions; they state it as a matter of fact.

The media was hoping and praying that the terrorist was a Tea Party member.

Prufrock - my original thread was to point out that the media won't even give useful information to readers in some sort of perverse PC.
17:18 May 17, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I don't recall anyone saying that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. The Islamic terrorists have made no bones about their intentions. But to conflate Islam with terrorism is imbecilic, as very few Muslims are terrorists. All nations and cultures have their home-grown terrorists, and in the U.S. the majority of them are white self-described "christians." I'm sure you've heard of the Ku Klux Klan, the christian militias, the abortion clinic bombers. They were not and are not Muslims.
17:34 May 17, 2010 by danceswithgoats
LancashireLad - I would like to see the media deal with all criminals in an equitable fashion. White yobs, skin heads, Christians, etc. would be vilified. Protected classes are given anonymity (sp?).

Prufrock - You are starting to confuse me now; conflating Islam with terrorism is imbecilic but refering to terrorists as "Islamic terrorists" is ok? Yes or no; you can buy CDs praising Osama bin Laden in mosques all around the world today. Yes or no; hundreds of thousand if not millions of Muslims have exchanged Islamic terrorist "snuff" videos and other attacks via email, social media, etc.

Since 9/11 the KKK and "christian militias" have killed no one that I know of; one abortion doctor has been killed. Meanwhile, Islamic based terrorism has killed thousands around the world. Interestingly enough, most of those killed have been Muslims. Funny how that works.

Not sure how we got onto the whole Muslim thing - my original issue was with the media.
17:45 May 17, 2010 by cocovelvet

.......... I have to agree with you on that one ; every nation has its own home-grown nutcases. If the focus will always be put on islamic terrorists, a lot of those other nutties will continue getting away with it and will continue causing havoc on others.
18:22 May 17, 2010 by danceswithgoats
cocovelvet - examples?

I just want the media to treat everyone equitably. As it is, minorities are given a pass and the "other nutties" are lumped in in some sort of moral equivalence exercise.

BTW - In other news today it was revealed that all 41 rapes in Oslo in the last three years were committed by "non-native" offenders. Maybe the media is starting to figure it out.
18:26 May 17, 2010 by Prufrock2010
danceswithgoats --

"You are starting to confuse me now; conflating Islam with terrorism is imbecilic but refering to terrorists as "Islamic terrorists" is ok? Yes or no;"

If they are Islamic terrorists, by all means refer to them as Islamic terrorists. If they are Christian terrorists, refer to them as such. If they are Zionist terrorists, call them Zionist terrorists. Call a spade a spade. Just don't assume that all Muslims are terrorists, or all Christians or Jews are terrorists just because there are terrorists in their respective faiths who perform acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.

If killing an abortion doctor at the behest of Operation Rescue in the name of God isn't an act of terrorism, I don't know what is. Terrorism's goal is to instill fear. Terrorism can be accomplished in many ways other than murder, lynchings and bombings. Are the neo-Nazis terrorists, yes or no?
18:43 May 17, 2010 by danceswithgoats
All Muslims are not terrorists. Those that commit terrorism in the name of their religion are Islamic terrorists. Killing an abortion doctor in the name of God is terrorism. The difference is that there is no justification for terrorist killings in the Christian bible; unlike the Koran.

Prufrock - you are really stretching now. The Polizei in Worms probably don't have a clue at this point. It could be neo-Nazis or Muslims or some other whacko. The stabbing case in Hamburg was witnessed and they could probably provide accurate descriptions. In an example of PC bedwettting the media chose not to.
19:05 May 17, 2010 by Prufrock2010
That's not my point. Would you consider the deliberate arson of a synagogue an act of terrorism? Yes or no?
19:15 May 17, 2010 by danceswithgoats
Prufrock - of course it is terrorism! You are trying to paint me as some sort of right wing whacko. Still think your arguments are disjointed.

BTW - A Muslim sitting around puffing on a water pipe and bashing Kuffirs is not a terrorist. In the same way, a neo-Nazi sitting around drinking beer and bashing Jews is not a terrorist. If they go out and commit violence based on these beliefs they are terrorists. If they advocate violence they are supporters.
19:56 May 17, 2010 by Prufrock2010
danceswithgoats --

I agree.
01:26 May 18, 2010 by Prufrock2010
john g --

It's a tragic fact of life these days. My heart goes out to the victim's family and loved ones. I know I would never get over such a thing, either.
07:35 May 18, 2010 by sameoldday
Please, this was my friends cousin. Apparently it was a random stabbing by some people that looked of Turkish descent. They were only looking for trouble. My friend is broken and wants desperatly for the police to catch the people. His cousin didn't deserve to die, he had 3 brothers and a family. This is sad, very sad only.
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