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Upping the Antifa: Leftist riots feared for May Day

David Wroe · 30 Apr 2010, 10:54

Published: 30 Apr 2010 10:54 GMT+02:00

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In radical left-wing circles they’re known as “sport groups” – teams of young men whose game is beating up neo-Nazis.

“Maybe a punch in the face … then I’d say, ‘Okay, he’s lying on the ground, that’s enough.’ I don’t want to kill anybody,” explains Lukas, 25.

Lukas sits drinking a beer in a bar that’s a popular hangout for Berlin’s leftist scene. He wears a jacket of the popular white-bread Jack Wolfskin brand. Indeed there is nothing that readily identifies him as a radical anti-fascist – often shortened to Antifa in German.

Yet Lukas was in many such brawls in his younger days. Well-built and trained in martial arts, he survived them unscathed, though a friend once caught a broken bottle in the face and still has a thick scar to prove it.

Although he has retired from "sport" and moved into more organised political activity, Lukas says he’s still comfortable justifying violence against neo-Nazis – which is why he doesn’t want his full name used.

“A friend once told me, ‘You have to speak the language that people understand.’ Those guys, the neo-Nazis, they don’t understand any other language. Why should we be the only ones to refrain?”

Violence, it seems, is increasingly the language of Germany’s estimated 6,300 hardcore leftists. Last month, Germany’s Interior Ministry announced there were 9,375 left-wing crimes committed in 2009 – a 39.4 percent rise on the previous year.

Violent crime – which includes arson – rose even more sharply, jumping 53.4 percent to a total of 1,822 offences.

Flashpoint Berlin

In Berlin, which along with Hamburg is the main leftist flashpoint, the figures are more dramatic still: an 87 percent jump in crime and a 144 percent rise in violent crime, according to figures supplied to The Local by the capital city’s domestic intelligence agency, the Verfassungsschutz.

For the first time since the current system of record-keeping began in 2001, assaults committed nationally by the left outnumbered those by the right – 849 against 800. Virtually all of the left-wing assaults were directed either at police during rallies or at neo-Nazis.

Meanwhile, hundreds of cars have been torched and attacks launched against big companies and property developments in gentrifying neighbourhoods. In the most brazen attack, about 10 masked attackers set upon a manned police station in Hamburg, setting a patrol car on fire and hurling stones through the windows.

With the traditional left-wing day of protest, May Day, coming up on Saturday, authorities are bracing themselves.

Not only are there more attacks and more people prepared to use violence, there is also a new daring to the militancy, said Heinz Fromm, director of the federal Verfassungsschutz agency.

“Violence on the street and attacks planned in secret are rising, and in some cases go beyond the kind of attacks commonly seen before, such as the use of gas cartridge incendiary devices,” he told The Local.

“The attack on a police station in Hamburg in December is indicative of a new standard. These demand the heightened attention of the security services.”

Gentrification a cause?

The causes of this surge are complex, but the gentrification of previously poor and working class neighbourhoods, which brings the wealth gap into stark relief, is clearly playing a role.

“Look around you,” says self-proclaimed leftist radical Florian Laumeyer, 32, eating ice cream in Lausitzerplatz in the heart of Berlin's Kreuzberg district. “Three or four years ago, it was only immigrants or poor people living here. Now there’s no one of an immigrant background. It’s all middle-class white people.”

Once a scruffy part of West Berlin butting up to the Iron Curtain, Kreuzberg has a tradition of May Day riots stretching back to the 1980s and is now one of the front lines in the city's gentrification battle. Wealthier residents are moving into leftist and anarchist heartlands such as Kreuzberg and neighbouring Friedrichshain, pushing up rents and fuelling the clandestine attacks on cars, offices and upmarket property developments.

The tactic is working, according to Florian Herbs, 26, an unemployed graphic designer and member of the radical group Antifascist Revolutionary Action Berlin (ARAB). While he admits that car-burning has become a fashionable “cult,” he maintains that attacks on the upmarket property developments in Kreuzberg are a legitimate expression of anger – and are a real deterrent to gentrification.

“Now nobody wants to buy one of those apartments,” he says.

At the other end of the scale from such local battles, the banners for the radical left are broad, even nebulous concepts: anti-militarism, anti-repression, anti-fascism.

“The left-wing extremist scene is made up of a very heterogeneous group of people with different ideological views,” says Stefan Ruppert, an expert on extremism and an MP for the pro-business Free Democratic Party.

“Only the vague goal of overthrowing our existing social order serves as a unifying effect. This complexity … makes it all the more difficult to grasp the problem as a whole and work out solutions.”

Parsing violence

Leftists bristle at the suggestion that increasing violence is in danger of making them as bad as the neo-Nazis they hate. As Lukas the former “sportsman” puts it: “The difference is that we don’t go around beating immigrants. And I don’t see a problem with attacking people who do.”

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Yet left-wing radicals’ defence that they only attack property, neo-Nazis or symbols of the state – including police during demonstrations – is fiercely rejected by authorities and by the police union.

“Last year on May 1 in Berlin, police were deliberately attacked to a degree that could have had fatal consequences,” police union head Rainer Wendt told The Local.

“In their expressions of violence, the extreme left and extreme right are barely distinguishable from one another.”

The number of left-wing attacks on Berlin security authorities such as police climbed from 156 in 2008 to 209 last year, according the city’s Verfassungsschutz officials.

And with incendiary gas cartridge assaults on government buildings, police stations or symbols of capitalism such Berlin’s Economy House, which was bombed in February, attackers “knowingly accepted endangerment of human life,” said a spokeswoman for the Verfassungsschutz.

No one is sure what to expect on Saturday, though both sides have been talking up the tension. The police union’s Wendt said he feared there would “serious rioting.”

Left-wing activists are celebrating their success in February for blockading a far-right march in Dresden commemorating the 1945 allied bombing of the city. They will try the same when neo-Nazis march on Saturday, forcing the police to intervene.

“Maybe there will be clashes,” says ARAB activist Florian Herbs. “Maybe some people will start throwing things. There is a dynamic to the moment that we can’t control.

“We hope it will stay peaceful, but with the capitalist crisis and gentrification, people are very angry. We’ll see what happens.”

David Wroe (david.wroe@thelocal.de)

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11:52 April 30, 2010 by scout1067
What is the essential difference between beating up a neo-Nazi because of what he is and beating up an immigrant for what he is? Both behaviors should be equally condemned.
12:45 April 30, 2010 by khassi
bunch of violence hungry guys, looking for a use for their muscles other than carrying a beer around. they are a disgrace for the left.
13:55 April 30, 2010 by Shiny Flu

Ongoing discussion about whether someone should go protest with their kids in regards to the planned Nazi demo in Berlin.
14:07 April 30, 2010 by dbert4
Kind of the ultimate "Tea Party" demonstration, but with out guns.
14:19 April 30, 2010 by Beynch
I need one of you rock throwing, leftist, filth to explain to me why you people have to resort to violence to make your point. Is that democracy? Why can't we all sit down in a circle on the floor, hold hands, and sing Kumbayah. Then all our problems will be solved. Yes? No?
15:57 April 30, 2010 by saar
The best way to stop this is to eliminate May 1. After April 30 goes May 2. Problem solved. Heh.
16:18 April 30, 2010 by beckyhead
Why are Germans acting so surprised by Leftist violence? After all, the Bader-Meinhoff Gand (RAF) were leftists. Much of the violence and terrorism in the 1970s and 1980s came from groups with a leftist ideology.
16:26 April 30, 2010 by Beynch
Walter "Niemand hat die Absicht eine Mauer zu errichten" Ulbricht was also a leftist.
16:29 April 30, 2010 by couchtripper
"What is the essential difference between beating up a neo-Nazi because of what he is and beating up an immigrant for what he is? "

A neo-nazi CHOOSES his path of intolerance and inhumanity - an immigrant doesn't. If you really can't see the difference then you're probably half way to becoming one yourself.

Anyone battering a Nazi of any sort is a human hero.
16:34 April 30, 2010 by RobCon
Thanks to The Local for naming these violent and criminal domestic terrorists "radical left-wing" and "leftists" because that is the truth.

The last time there was this kind of wide spread clashes of Marxist and fascist thugs in Germany was in the 1920's and 30's and both groups hated the Conservative and Social-Democrat moderates and today both the far-left and far-right attack Israel. Very disturbing.
16:39 April 30, 2010 by couchtripper
The far-left 'attacks' Israel because it is a violent rogue state which oppresses millions and commits war-crimes on regular occasions.

If you can't understand that then it's no wonder things 'disturb' you. Try reading a book.
16:50 April 30, 2010 by fawkes
The REAL nazis and facists are the left wing idiots! anyone concerned about immigration and islam and want to be proud of there own national identity, culture and indigenous roots is NOT a rascist! or a nazi!

these labels are foisted upon any concerned citizens by these so called left wing marxists (who are in fact neo nazi fasicts)

anyone using violence and intimidation to silence the thoughts, ideas, and voices of others are like hitlers brownshirts.

winstin churchill said: in the future the real fascists will call themselves leftists.

the nazis called themselves socialists NSDAP, and facist stalin called hisself a communist; (russia was under a stalinist facsist dictatorship, nothing to do with communism according to marx; read das capital and the original communist manifesto. these ideologys like islam have for years and years been hijacked by extremists, and modified to fit there own eveil agendas. of fascist rule.
17:33 April 30, 2010 by vonSchwerin
"The best way to stop this is to eliminate May 1. After April 30 goes May 2. Problem solved. Heh."

It's funny proposal, but then you'd go directly from Hitler's Todestag (April 30) to the anniversary of the Red Army's conquest of Berlin (May 2). That might be too much Vergangenheitsbewältigung bzw. Geschichtsaufarbeitung at one stretch.
17:42 April 30, 2010 by michael4096
Understood. But, the point saar makes is very valid. Like football hooliganism, the date, and its historical context, is irrelevant - its just a good excuse.
18:27 April 30, 2010 by Red Squirrel

"The REAL nazis and facists are the left wing idiots! anyone concerned about immigration and islam and want to be proud of there own national identity, culture and indigenous roots is NOT a rascist! or a nazi! "

Well said my friend, you have your head screwed on correctly, unlike some of the red scum that wish to impose anarchy and totalitarianism on the rest of us.

As you will know we have our local Council and General elections on May 6th. I am a member of the British National Party, the only party that truly reflects the wishes of the British people. During the campaign the 'left' have issued death threats, tried to attack our Chairman Nick Griffin MEP, attacked BNP members and the Police. They get let off lightly for whatever they do despite being a bunch of drunken and drug fuelled Government and Union backed thugs.

But the British public are waking up and are totally sick of these idiots, and the so-called 'mainstream political parties.

Change is coming, and it cannot come quickly enough!
18:37 April 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Squirrel --

Well said?! Illiterate fascistic babble is more like it.

If the British National Party is "the only party that truly reflects the wishes of the British people," let's see how well it does in the elections next week.
18:50 April 30, 2010 by Red Squirrel

I think we will do well despite the machinations of the state controlled media and TV!
19:02 April 30, 2010 by nepo77
Welcome to the new SA
19:17 April 30, 2010 by forest
" 14:07 April 30, 2010 by dbert4

Kind of the ultimate "Tea Party" demonstration, but with out guns."

Yeah, kind of, except the almost complete lack of violence, arrests, vandalism and littering at the the hundreds of tea parties involving hundreds of thousands of people that have taken place. Other than being completely different, they are pretty much the same, yeah.
19:33 April 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
Not to worry. The tea party wingnuts will be using their guns one of these days, rest assured. People with that demonstrable lack of intelligence should not be allowed anywhere near firearms.
19:36 April 30, 2010 by wood artist
As an outsider, this whole thing sounds a lot like the politics of the early 30's, when the Nazis sent their goon squads out to battle the Communists, and vice versa. Somehow battling thugs was considered an appropriate way to express political differences.

I'm sorry that neighborhoods change and that those changes make people uncomfortable, but society evolves...and so do neighborhoods. Many (not all) of those who feel left behind or disenfranchised have made the choices that place them there: a decision to skip education, a lack of effort to better themselves, and similar attitudes. That does not make them wrong, but they have no one to blame but themselves for the positions they fine themselves in.

In the end, the money that might be spent improving life for all is spent dealing with the damages and law enforcement costs associated with unlawful behavior. Sad.

19:37 April 30, 2010 by forest
"19:33 April 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010"

Right. "One of these days", so we'll condemn them now for imaginary violence in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

"People with that demonstrable lack of intelligence should not be allowed anywhere near firearms."

I take it you don't own a gun.
19:44 April 30, 2010 by berlinski
What does anyone gain out of all this anyway? End result is simply injured people and a big bill to the taxpayer. What do these morons get out of all this?
20:13 April 30, 2010 by Talonx
@ Fawkes

What's really disturbing, is that two posts after your defense of nationalism, a member of the BNP (a neo-nazi ally in Britain) defends you with the exact same rhetoric they use to defend themselves and their support of neo-nazis.

Their are alot of very confused people posting here, reardless, I thought this article was an example of excellent journalism. Multiple perspectives are provided and reading the article it didn't seem like any of those perspectives was pushed as being the ultimate. It was refreshing to read this article a piece pushing against the idiotic unsupportable tide of moral absolutism and status quo ball-n-chain argumentation.
20:28 April 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
forest --

In point of fact I own several guns, and have owned guns for many years. I just don't brandish them at public political rallies.
20:52 April 30, 2010 by forest
20:28 April 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010

I think you missed my snark, but for the record, I don't think being slightly slow shouldn't preclude someone from owning a gun, so don't worry.

I've been to a couple tea parties and haven't seen any gun brandishing. But I did see some video of a guy at a tea party with a gun that MSNBC conveniently cropped because the man was black. Gotta do something when media generated memes collide I guess. They had to choose between "racist", and "gun toting/potentially violent". They went with the latter in this case and deliberately altered the video accordingly.

21:11 April 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
forest --

I didn't miss your snark. I didn't think it was worthy of a rejoinder.

Apparently you missed the gun rallies in Virginia and DC last week, however. They were brandishing loaded firearms on the Virginia side of the Potomac.

And if you haven't seen all the weapons on display at the tea party rallies since last April, you haven't been very observant. I'm sure YouTube has plenty of footage that would give you a woody.

So blame MSNBC for the way it crops a shot of a lunatic with a gun at a rally. Don't blame Faux News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and the other crazies who are inciting their idiot base to violence. Don't worry, pal, it's coming. It'll probably start in Arizona where a carry permit's no longer required. It will be interesting to watch from here. Let the good times roll.
21:17 April 30, 2010 by berlinski
Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me.
21:58 April 30, 2010 by wxman
Why is this news? What else would one expect of leftists?
22:19 April 30, 2010 by OkieinBerlin
wxman, you are difficult to read. Yesterday you threatened to shoot fellow Americans who don't share your politics, and today you're characterizing leftists as violent. Tell me, please, are you a just another violent lefty yourself, or a righty with lefty tendencies?
22:31 April 30, 2010 by berlinski
Maybe he is a lefty with righty tendencies? Or maybe he just hasn't a clue what the hell he is. Sort of like the Rari Rari bird who flew in ever decreasing circles until he it eventually flew up it's own ass.
22:40 April 30, 2010 by wmm208
I hope they burn more of the BMW 3 series. Those cars didnt sell to well. I suspect garage parking will be "full" this weekend.
22:49 April 30, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I'm just wondering why these threads are dominated by right wingnuts who don't even live in Germany. Most of them live in the U.S. What's YOUR dog in this hunt, bubbas? Just trolling...?
00:26 May 1, 2010 by wmm208
Is this an outcome of the German education system or the current financial collapse?
00:26 May 1, 2010 by Logic Guy
Well, it seems quite bizarre to destroy the property of innocent people, especially those from your own country.

As I discussed in another post, anger, which is an emotion, is like "destructive poison" to humans. And did you notice that leftist individuals said that their violence is the result of anger?
02:43 May 1, 2010 by wmm208
Anger and spewing hate and violence is not the answer. There must be some conversation, perhaos over coffee so both sides can mediate and come to a resolution about why there is so much hate...Give Peace a Chance...
05:00 May 1, 2010 by Talonx
@ Prufrock

True dat.

@ wmm208

You're arguments betray the worst kind of ignorance, an ignorance devoid of the inconvenience of any facts.

@ logicguy

Their are different ways in which one can calculate innocence and guilt. There is no absolute.
06:44 May 1, 2010 by Digger3
It is truly impressive how politically ignorant the euro's are. Their is little difference between the leftist and the neo-NAZI movement. They are on the same side of the political spectrum, have little regard for human life, or any concept of natural law and what ture freedom is about. They are both socialist it's just a mtter of persepctive as to who has the power. The leftist have little historically to say or condem the neo-NAZIS movement. They killed more people historically Stalin, Mao, etc. I guess if you are keeping score the Nazis 6 Million killed the Commie leftist 60 million exterminated give or take a few million. Again it is truely impressive how ignorant Europeans are. Thank good there is an ocean between us now we just got the flush the Chicago Mob out of Washignton along with their commie brethern.
09:25 May 1, 2010 by Talonx
@ Digger

Your ignorance would be funny if it wasn't so tragic and an indication of the general problem with education in the US, lack of an understanding of history.

The NSDAP, under Hitler, was a neo-monarchist affair aiming to conserve the relationship of the leadership to the people that existed in other empires and aiming to conserve traditional values. So they were conservative authoritarians aiming for the collective good. The left during that time period in Germany was composed of progressives that sought to decentralize society through incremental policy changes, even the KPD was advocating for a more democratic Germany.

These things must be understood in context. That might seem complicated, but it is simply the case.
20:16 May 1, 2010 by Prufrock2010
People who can't define socialism, fascism, communism or any other "ism" should avoid throwing around those terms for rhetorical effect. They serve no useful purpose in a rational discussion, but are simply verbal molotov cocktails intended to inflame. Invariably they identify the user of the term as an ignoramus. Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and the tea-partiers are striking examples of this.
00:59 May 2, 2010 by wmm208
Nationalism and hate on the rise with a decreasing population and an economy going in the shitter. Spells for an intersting recipe for.....
02:23 May 2, 2010 by fumetti
One problem is that we are taught to view the differences between communism and fascism according to WEALTH. In that, they are different. The fascists allow private wealth. Communists disallow wealth.

However, we should be taught to view governments on how they govern. In that, the far left and far right are essentially IDENTICAL. Both rule as dictatorships that use fear and force as primary methods. Plus the elimination of individual rights, free speech, etc.

From this article, I can see SOME difference between Germany's left and right wing extremes--but only in ideology, not in their actions.
08:27 May 2, 2010 by Talonx
@ fumetti

Not even close. When the NSDAP came into power they reverted to monarchical ways, a centralization, they ran on the platform that democracy was forced down the throughts of the people without their consent. They were conservatives in this sense, trying to keep tradition alive. The communists, (let's use the russian example) actually are an example of decentralization having taken over from the regime that proceeded them they did not attempt to conserve the power structure in place in fact the made a new and relatively more democratic power structure, one that would involve central comittees in which at leas a few had a vote.

To say that aside from wealth these two systems were/are identical is either dishonest or idiotic.

In the modern context, neo-nazis are gangs that focus on beating up immigrant families, couples, children. They are gangs in the sense that they share compositional features such as members tending to be of low socioeconomic status and illiterate (this is in part society's fault). Active Antifa groups focus on pushing back neo-nazis and forcing them out of situations in which they cause trouble through the use of violence. Though I wouldn't do what Antifa does, I can't blame them for wanting to protect their communities and I don't think many of us can understand the very real threat that neo-nazis pose (though alot of the posters here seem to be American and the U.S. has the largest documented per capita presence of neo nazis in the world). This is not a defense it's a clarification for those who don't seem to understand why some differentiate the forms of violence used by either group.

Say what you will about violence, but one cannot say that Antifa is a danger to anyone except those who condone silently the neo-nazi marchers (police) or the neo-nazis themselves.

Ultimately, what is most disturbing is the double standard of some of the American's posting about the left. You same folk who I have seen post about 'Germans letting the Nazis rise to power' now protest when Antifa attempts to squash the neo-nazis?!?
10:47 May 2, 2010 by michael4096

For most people, there are two ways of running a country, the way you are brought up with and the wrong way. It actually takes a long time - in my experience as an ex-pat watcher - for people to (a) recognise that there are other valid systems and (b) their own system has some glaring flaws and (c) there is no 'solution', just options with different trade-offs.
19:20 May 2, 2010 by Talonx
@ michael

Well said and well classified, though I don't think most of the idiots have ever left their home states/regions/provinves for anything other than 'state-condoned mass murder to the march of trumpets and drums' as Voltaire so named war and it's hard to experience another people in such a context.
20:29 May 2, 2010 by gardotd
I'm just really confused as to how the majority of the posters on here can be so ignorant when it comes to the differences between the far left and the far right. It is true that the regimes we've seen who claim to be "Communist" or "Socialist" have in reality just been authoritarian dictators, the fact of the matter is that those regimes weren't ACTUALLY left-wing. Just men with god complexes masquerading as Leftists.

Let's take a quick look at ACTUAL Leftist ideology vs. Right-Wing ideology:

True Leftists believe in a more direct democracy. Right-Wingers do not.

Leftists believe that the workers and the poor should have their say, Conservatives (in the American usage of the term) believe that money is god.

Leftists are against all forms of racism, sexism, and bigotry in general, Right-Wingers are the bigots to end all bigots.

And that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the differences between right and left. Read a book for Christ's sake. Or at least Wikipedia.
22:35 May 2, 2010 by Talonx
@ gardotd

Off the mark in the other direction. What follows is a simplification and generalization, though prepared in the best fashion I could manage for such a short commentary. Communists are ('were' in the case of North Korea) left wing, they are progressives at base and this is expressed in the freedom and decentralization that occured following their take-overs in both China and Russia from the monarchs existing before them (similar situation for Cuba). Though progressive in a much slower (ungodly slow) manner than occurs elsewhere they are progressive decentralizers as compared to their predecessors. Independent of this trait Stalin also set up a system of ethnocentric collective violence based off of what many scholars take to be fundamental misread or intentional bastardization of Marx. Mao set of a conservative undercurrent in the cultural revolution, parts of which sought to excise any influence of the West on the East in China. These are the risks one runs allowing for any sort of centralised authority figure even with the backdrop of overall decentralization.

As for Socialism, you're definately a mainland American, given the fact that the only place on the planet that Socialism is a dirty word is the U.S. It doesn't make sense in the year 2010 to play like Socialism and Communism can be treated as identical things.

As for your left right characterization, for the current date, I would mostly agree to a less severe but similar argument though I would also point out that your argument approaches the oversimplified idiocy displayed by your opposites on this same article.
23:05 May 2, 2010 by Logic Guy
Well, some of the comments on this particular artical are so long, that they negate the signicance of the artical itself.

Short and straight to the point statements are more effective.

There are angry people on the far left and right. I'm sure that both sides would find it easier to make "Real Changes", if they were to take on a non-emotional, more intellectual approach to things.
23:50 May 2, 2010 by Talonx
@ Logic Guy

Godforbid anything more than a soundbite is pushed out there.

As for your 'non-emotionalism', why not just have everyone give everyone else handjobs, that's just as overly simplistic a solution yet it has the benefit of being more desirable.
02:00 May 3, 2010 by nighthawk2009
Id like to know if the white extreme left would be true to their ideals and beat up non-white right wing extremists and fascists once in a while?

Or are they gonna be hypocrites and make excuses for the idiots within minority communities who oppress their own people?
12:35 May 3, 2010 by michael4096
@Logic Guy

As Blaise Pascal once wrote "I apologise for writing this long letter, I didn't have time to write a short one."

Its the content-free posts, long or short, that are the nuisance.
05:17 May 4, 2010 by wenddiver
Government Right or Left is a necessary evil at best, and in the history of Europe the biggest Evil the people ever faced.

Communism, Socialism, Nazism are all fancy names for people who string Barbed wire around their countries and murder their citizens as they attempt to leave.

Everybody's time would be better spent limiting the Government and increasing Freedom. Read some Ron Paul.
12:33 May 4, 2010 by Talonx
@ Wenddiver

You mean the same Ron Paul endorsed by multiple fascist 'white power' groups? That's odd isn't it?
15:24 May 5, 2010 by Prufrock2010
"Communism, Socialism, Nazism are all fancy names for people who string Barbed wire around their countries and murder their citizens as they attempt to leave."

Or in the case of Arizona, attempt to enter.

Ron Paul, like the other pseudo-libertarians who call themselves "tea partiers," wants something for nothing from government. They want "small" government until disasters arise that only a big government can respond to. Katrina and the BP oil rig disasters come to mind. They bitch about paying to much in taxes, while the U.S. has the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. They believe that every individual should take responsibility for his own life and actions, but demand that government be the first responder to any crisis. They demand "freedom" from government while demanding that government pass and enforce laws such as those targeting Hispanics in Arizona to deprive them of their rights. They can't get their catechism straight, and are ultimately too obtuse to see the contradictions in their own positions.

In short, they are petulant, uninformed, whining know-nothings -- racist to the core societal misfits. They are irrelevant. Their spiritual leader, Ayn Rand, is to politics what L. Ron Hubbard is to religion -- both charlatan hucksters making a buck from the grave.
15:33 May 5, 2010 by B-dogg.
It's always been a sad irony that the "far left" behave much more like those they are claiming to be against than the "far right" themselves seem to behave. Sometimes I am left wondering just who are the Nazis nowadays. Is it the far right or is really the far left? From personal observations, the biggest thing separating the two sides, would be the far left's inability to note their own hypocrisy. The right to express one's own personal opinion is the most important factor in any democracy whether you agree with them or not.
16:17 May 5, 2010 by Talonx
@ B-dogg

Or it could be that those on the far right, the Neo Nazis in this case beat up innocents.
02:15 May 8, 2010 by harrylatour
Thank god for that!!!! the brits once again show that they reject extremism of any kind and ''hung parliament''???well,thats democracy for ya!! (and what my grandparents went to fight for).If most of those ''militant'' countries in the world had the same system,,,,,we would not have half the trouble with jumped up little despots screwing everything up.And before anyone says ''it'',,,,hey I know we aint perfect,,,,but we do try!! LOL.
05:20 May 10, 2010 by derExDeutsche

Far Right Nazis? Aren't Nazi's National Socialist? Yes, yes, they are.

Love Big Government much?

You would think someone as Highly Educated and Intelligent such as yourself could see the Problems created by Govt.s over the course of History.

Oh no, but it will ALL be Different this time, really! Right!
09:19 May 10, 2010 by Talonx
@ derExDeutshce

"Far Right Nazis? Aren't Nazi's National Socialist? Yes, yes, they are."

You might have memory problems, I've already explained this to you in another forum.

I've copy-pasted the following from my posts on the http://www.thelocal.de/national/20100506-27027.html Board:

"I shouldn't have to get into this, but you obviously recieved very little in the way of education about the NSDAP, they were not Socialists, this was a label added to their overly long name (against the will of Hitler, by the way) as an attempt at branching out to the left, following the example of similar nationalist neo-monarchist (preserve the 'king' but without heredity) parties in Austria. This policy didn't work as being a national socialist is an obvious contradiction (all socialists are internationalists and by nature for decentralisation of wealth and power), it would be like calling oneself a conservative libertarian (which is impossible as a fundamental to any libertarian program is progressive movement always towards further decentralization) or conservative anarchist." - me
18:23 May 10, 2010 by steve5150
Leftist always use violence. The arguments they make have no merit so intimidation is their only option. Remember the term Nazi stands stands for National Socialist German Workers Party. The Nazis were not a party of the right although they stole from them the concept of national pride and loyalty and used it to extort loyalty. They were a party largely composed of disafected and transplanted violent communists and socialists. What was evil in Nazism came almost entirely from the far left just as it does today. Small, unaccomplished, angry people seeking someone to blame. The virtual definition of a communist both past and present.
19:04 May 10, 2010 by Talonx
@ Steve5150

You wrote that the NSDAP was "...largely composed of disafected and transplanted violent communists and socialists"

What the h#ll are you talking about the only people even remotely to the left were Ernst R. and Anton D. who were both summarily excised. Even their leftism, however, was further to the right of any communist or socialist from that time period.

Hitler infamously posited that the left was a Jewish conspiracy against Germany to take over the world and that the right needed to fight back.

What the h#ll kind of crack are you tools taking. Keep your damned hands off History!

In the future, instead of just looking like a fool try to read what was written on the board before you decide to contribute.
17:32 May 12, 2010 by CitizenWhy
Thuggery is thuggery.

The police need to form special anti-thuggery squads . They also need to form civilian anti-thuggery groups among the immigrants, encouraging them to immediately report neo-Nazi presence and activity. Immigrant need to be encouraged to film (from a safe distance) the neo-Nazis when they are committing crimes.

Building this trust in the police will eventually result in a willingness to report terrorists and thugs of all kinds.
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