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Westerwelle calls US nuclear policy 'brave'

AFP · 7 Apr 2010, 08:13

Published: 07 Apr 2010 08:13 GMT+02:00

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"I warmly welcome the fact that the United States wants to take another courageous step towards disarmament," the minister told daily Bild.

The administration of US President Barack Obama indicated in its Nuclear Posture Review released Tuesday that Washington would only consider the use of nuclear weapons "in extreme circumstances" to defend its vital interests.

In a major policy shift, it said for the first time that states without atomic weapons which complied with non-proliferation treaty obligations need not fear a US nuclear attack.

However US President Barack Obama warned exceptions could be made for "outliers" Iran and North Korea, both of which are suspected of trying to acquire a nuclear bomb.

Westerwelle said the announcement gives hope for further cutting the number of US tactical nuclear warheads and "even the total withdrawal of these weapons from Germany."

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According to experts the United States still has some 10 to 20 nuclear warheads stationed in Germany.

The withdrawal of US nuclear weapons from German soil is a key policy goal for Westerwelle's liberal FDP party.

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08:42 April 7, 2010 by berlinski
Hey Westerwelle, why not fire Hartz IV recipients at the enemy instead of nukes? That way you can fulfill both policies in one go. Cut Hartz IV recipients and dismantle nukes in Germany.
09:41 April 7, 2010 by Frenemy
Temporal linearity has absolutely nothing to do with this (and I'm not wrong)

So, YOU can bet on this: Planck, Szilard, Fermi, Einstein, etc didn't work for the Japs....and they were decades away from CP1 tech over on Nagasaki...
11:37 April 7, 2010 by Frenemy
ouch (sucks to be me). Oh well...

(doesn't change anything tho)
13:46 April 7, 2010 by Beynch
The problem with, misguided, socialist, Oblahblah's unilateral disarmament is that it will most likely have the opposite effect. Countries that counted on the US to help them, will now get their own nuclear weapons instead. Get ready for a new arms race! The old US motto "Peace thru Strength" is lost. You will now see countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Venezuela(Heaven forbid), Algeria, Bolivia, Iran(already underway), Burma, Iraq, Bangladesh, Mexico, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Egypt, Tajikistan, become nuclear powers. The current US president is a complete disaster for world peace, and will have deluterious effect on the free world. Bad decision!
14:15 April 7, 2010 by Hebbellover
Obama at best is a inexperienced telepromter reading politician. At worst he is "fundamentally transforming the United States" - his words not mine!
15:46 April 7, 2010 by whatzup
Sure, take all the nukes out of Germany. Lets make it easier for the Russians to threaten their neighbors!
15:47 April 7, 2010 by MyFire
So the only place that nuclear weapons are allowed to exist is - US.

and wha...! - the US would only use nuclear weapons 'in extreme circumstances'!!! If I had any friends in the US I'd tell them to get the hell out of there!

The 'extreme circumstances' can be anything - anything 'they' make up. Look at the war in Iraq....and the war they want to create in Iran. ( 2 of the higher producing oil countries of course)

So..Obama is a puppet. Nato is the world army, sorry - 'peace - keeping FORCE' and the um...I mean UN.

Who controls the puppet masters? easy to find. Look at who are the biggest investors of these control agents and agencies.
16:38 April 7, 2010 by Beynch
@MyFire: You are a West hater. I can tell. Known nuclear weapons already exists in USA, Russia, France, UK, China, Pakistan, Israel, North Korea and Khazakstan(leftovers from the Soviet days). Some say Brazil and Sweden have surreptitiously also have them. At a minimum they have the technology to acquire them quickly. Isn't this enough??? Especially when you have neurotic, failed, mullah, canine, dictatorships like Iran, and lowlife, unbalanced, idiots like Hugo trying to jump on the bandwagon, it becomes clear that in the hands of the civilzed West it's probably not a big problem. But for these thirld world, nutty, theocracies to have them, well, think for yourself(if you can). I have greater faith in the US than I have in the rabid dogs in Iran!
19:52 April 7, 2010 by Prufrock2010

Define "socialist," please. Then please explain how the term applies even remotely to Obama.

No, I didn't think you could.
21:56 April 7, 2010 by Henckel

It's worse than that. Obama is not merely a socialist. He is a stone-cold Marxist-Leninist who is leading the USA toward a Soviet-style government with himself as its "Maximum Leader".
22:05 April 7, 2010 by wxman

"Define "socialist," please. Then please explain how the term applies even remotely to Obama."

OK, how about nationalizing the auto industry and medical care (totaling 18% of the economy) and ignoring the majority will of the people?. And that's not even remotely; it's overtly!
00:01 April 8, 2010 by Beynch
I can define `socialist`. Someone who appoints himself a dicator, follows the teachings of Karl Marx, and tells his minions "Shut up and do as I tell you. I know what's best for you". Examples: Hussein Oblahblah, Kim Jong Il, Fidel Castro, Olof Palme, Mao Tse Tung, Walter Ulbricht("Niemand hat die Absicht eine Mauer zu errichten"), Josef Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Che Guevara, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales, Daniel Ortega. None of the aforementioned garbage stray dogs were elected through democratic means. They all use brute force to control their underlings and say they're "for the working man", the proletariat. Oblahblah is starting already; auto industry, tax hikes, the disastrous Obamacare health package, TARP, creeping control of a willing media, redistrinution of wealth. - You want more? Just let me know!
00:02 April 8, 2010 by Prufrock2010

Would you care to cite a few examples of Obama's "Marxist-Leninist" proclivities to support such an absurd statement?


Such a short memory of the legacy of 8 years of the Bush administration and the economic meltdown that occurred before Obama was even elected. Had the auto industry been "nationalized," as you claim, it might now be competitive. It was bailed out long enough to obtain bankruptcy protection, and only to preserve the jobs of millions of auto workers and auto industry satellite companies which, had they been lost, would have resulted in unemployment figures that would have equaled (if not exceeded) those of the Great Depression.

The last time I looked, the Health Care Reform Bill, which is almost identical to Mitt Romney's legislation in Massachusetts, was passed by the Congress elected by the majority of the people, not by a dictator. It's objective is to provide affordable health care to 32 million Americans who otherwise don't have it. Surely you can't be opposed to that, can you? Or are you unaware that the US is the only country in the industrialized world that does not provide health care to all of its citizens? If Obama were a "socialist," he would have insisted on a public option such as exists in Germany. I criticize him because he failed to do so. The health care act that was passed remains a massive gift to the rapacious insurance industry which remains largely unregulated.

I'm still waiting to read a definition of "socialist" as it applies to Obama. If he really were a socialist, the top 8 hedge fund managers in America would not have made over $1 billion each last year -- the number one making $4 billion. If he were a socialist, Goldman Sachs wouldn't be running the economy.

By all means, go on drinking that Sarah Palin kool-aid and keep on longing for the better days of George W. Bush, when the American middle class disappeared, two obscene and endless wars were begun (and not paid for), the national debt quadrupled and the economy melted down because of the greatest bank robbery in the history of the world -- committed by the banks.

I only wish Obama were a socialist. I'm afraid he's becoming the greatest Republican president since Bill Clinton.
02:48 April 8, 2010 by Logic Guy
Well, unrealistic to think that this world will ever be free of nuclear waepons. Too many countries have them now. And to be honest, nuclear weapons have prevented at least one major war from taking place. They literally act as "Peace Makers".

Wise individuals within the various national governments, especially America, should focus primarly on missle defense.

Once the nuclear missiles start flying through the air and exploding above cities, then it's goining to be too late for everyone.
03:09 April 8, 2010 by Major B
@ Prufrock2010

So well said. You hit it all, the outrageous lies told by the US right wing. The rabblerousing. The incitement of the ignorant by The Fox News Politcal Party and their sub-party who shall go unmentioned. The extremism and fanatical nationalism. Let's see, are there any examples in the 20th century where elements like this took over a government? Did the war they started and the ensuing competition bring about the development of atomic weapons. I think folks better think this over before they open this damn door.
04:57 April 8, 2010 by Der Grenadier aus Aachen
Obama a Marxist-Leninist? Do you guys even know what Marxism is? Or have you just gone completely mad? Obama is a fairly right-leaning social democrat. He's not even close to socialism, never mind full-on Marxism.

The complete and utter lack of common folk knowledge and willingness to swallow poorly faceted, outrageous lies on behalf of some americans still amazes me to this day, and I've spent quite a few years in the US.
10:27 April 8, 2010 by Prufrock2010
The American anti-Obama ditto heads on this blog are performing a valuable service of sorts. I have been trying to explain to my German friends and inlaws how utterly toxic, vile, stupid and dangerous the political climate in the United States is these days. They are definitely well-read and conversant with current events. They read and watch the news here in Germany daily, yet they can't quite grasp the enormity of the hate and ignorance that is plaguing the American political landscape because it is incomprehensible to someone who hasn't experienced it first-hand. A little dose of Sarah Palin now and then has more comedic value to them than an indicator of the hate-mongering, racism and xenophobia that is driving the American political discourse. I imagine this is true for most educated Europeans. So the Rush Limbaugh wannabes who blog here, spewing their hate and venom lifted from Fox Noise talking points, are doing me a favor by illustrating my point with graphic clarity. They are the surrogate Glenn Becks, Michelle Bachmanns, Rush Limbaughs exporting their mindless inflammatory rhetoric to a German blog. When I explain to my friends and relatives that there are hundreds of thousands of people like that in the US, thousands of heavily armed anti-government militias ready to do violence, they think I am exaggerating. Now all I have to do is show them the comments on this thread and they will know whereof I speak.
10:30 April 8, 2010 by Frenemy
wow...it certainly got belligerent in here...lol
10:43 April 8, 2010 by Prufrock2010
I don't see any belligerence. I see some right wing trolls trying to incite hatred and racism with inflammatory rhetoric and deliberate disinformation lifted from the nightly propaganda of the Fox Noise programs. It's kinda like being home -- a warm and fuzzy feeling of nostalgia for American ignorance that is broadcast 24/7.
12:35 April 8, 2010 by William Thirteen

exactly. think of it as a service (kinda like Radio Free Europe) that keeps us all aware of what is going on over there in the good ole USofA. A sort of toxic spew emitted as the country sinks ever deeper into a mire of hate, ignorance and viciousness. Whenever i doubt my decision to leave that benighted land all i have to do check out a few of the more popular news & entertainment outlets to see what the current state of political discourse is and i feel instantly better!
14:09 April 8, 2010 by Beynch
Pass the barf bag! The hypochrisy of the left never ceases to amaze. Rather than acknowledging that people are capable of independent thought, Prufrock2010 fetches her schizofrenic invective from the editorial page of The New York Times. Hence it's so easy to throw in Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh in the disussion, as if they were given negatives. Her venomous side has a plethora of outlets, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NY Times Washington Post, LA Times. Fox News, true, does not always tow the corrupt Pelosi-line with equal fervor, and is willing to challenge. They call it `democracy'. I'm guessing that Prufrock2010 is a, just like her mentor, a lefty college professor in social studies at the University of Heidelberg. Or possibly a politruk dispatched by community activist Murphy in Berlin to "monitor dissent" in Germany. A string of `Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman` rounds out her neurotic, shrill, shrieks. She left out Ann Coulter, Laura Ingram, Dennis Miller, Dennis Prager, Mike Gallagher, Phyllis Schlafly, Rich Lowry, Pat Buchanan, Michele Malkin and Lou Dobbs amongst others. Other often mimicked cliches are "hate, ignorance and visciousness". You see, my dear German friends, dissent and diverging opinion are not tolerated by her and her marxist ilk. No sireee! (Think Erich Honecker). She could at least have mentioned that, bottom scraping, seditious, ACLU stands at the ready with hordes of Harvard educated lawyers ready to issue subpoenas against Fox at the slightest hint of error. Not sure if there is a German equivalent to ACLU) Fox is a thorn to Oblahblah and his nest of liars and media auxiliaries in Washington. (Remember the shouts of "Bush=liar"?) One favorite tactic, also depoloyed by Prufrock2010, is to demean and degrade the opposition without actually addressing the issues. - Well, I guess after all of this Prufrock2010 thinks she can rest her case? If she responds, I bet she will include the word "birthers" in her commentary, another common, instictive, diversionary tactic.
15:24 April 8, 2010 by Prufrock2010

Thank you for again illustrating my point. QED.

Incidentally, I'm not a "she."

And you really ought to learn to spell common English words while you're digging into your thesaurus.

Oh, and that "bottom scraping, seditious ACLU" to which you so lovingly refer is one of the most dedicated defenders of the rights of people like you to disseminate hate speech that civilized people find offensive. The ACLU also filed an amicus brief on behalf of the plaintiff in Citizens United vs. The Federal Election Commission case in which the U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that corporations have a First Amendment right to spend an unlimited amount of money to influence elections in the United States, thus effectively eliminating any remnant of democracy that once existed in that country and establishing a corporatocracy. You should read that case. If you can understand all the big words used by the Bush Court to rationalize away democracy, it might give you a slightly different slant on your socialist-marxist-leninist-maoist conspiracy theory.

But thanks again for proving my point. The toxic tone of your mindless rant is one of the reasons I expatriated.
16:01 April 8, 2010 by Henckel

Obama was raised from childhood as a Marxist, with Marxist mentors in Hawaii, Marxist professors in college and law school, and his being a "community organizer" in Chicago is by definition a crypto-Marxist occupation. And he was introduced as a local candidate in Chicago in 1995 at the home of William Ayers, an avowed and unrepentant Marxist terrorist of the 1960s and 1970s who only escaped prosecution through a technicality. So Obama truly is a stone-cold Marxist-Leninist, despite all your disinformation.
18:10 April 8, 2010 by William Thirteen
stone cold! dig it daddy-o!
19:10 April 8, 2010 by Prufrock2010

I've just entered a time warp. That "community organizer" / Ayers stuff was regurgitated daily two years ago during the primaries, then glommed onto by Sarah (you betcha) Palin whenever she was trying to incite angry racist mobs at her stump speeches -- which was constantly. Are you trying to re-run the whole election? Forget it. You guys lost. Big time. Get over it.

A few questions: When did "community organizer" become "by definition a crypto-Marxist occupation?" Who exactly were Obama's "Marxist mentors" in Hawaii? Who exactly were his "Marxist professors" in college and law school -- Lawrence Tribe and Alan Dershowitz?

I never realized that Harvard Law was such a hotbed of Marxism. I'll have to root out some of those pinko commies the next time I'm in Cambridge for a class reunion.

You've probably never heard of Joe McCarthy, but you're channeling him right now. Why don't you google good ol' Tail Gunner Joe and see how much good he did for the country -- and what ultimately happened to him.

I love this blog! It's just like parachuting into the Glenn Beck show without the commercials. Keep it coming. With every sentence you guys underscore my point.
16:36 April 9, 2010 by Der Grenadier aus Aachen

You don't even know the definition of the words you're spewing about.

Calling even the most left-leaning of US politicians "Marxist" is completely idiotic. There is no left wing in the United States; the political spectrum ends definitively at center.

Unfortunately, your opinion is not unique in the US; I am well aware of the political myopia suffered almost universally by America's far-right, and I don't blame you for it individually. However, you are, collectively, utterly hopeless for not wanting to educate yourself out of your political ignorance.
17:24 April 9, 2010 by Henckel
@ Prufrock2010:

"Community" Oragnizer" and "Poregess"/"Prosgressive" are Marxist code-words, to make it seem what it is not. If you don't know that then it says something about your perception of farLeft politics.
17:48 April 9, 2010 by dbert4
@ Prufrock2010 - Don't let the right-wing weenies on this forum get to you. Most of them are, military, contractors and ex-military. They developed their, "anti-socialist" pseudo expertise while being members of the largest socialist organization in the US, which is the US military. They and their too many children collected their tax credits and sucked Uncle Sam's teat their whole career.

They are still collecting more in government benefits than they or their too many dependants will ever pay in taxes. All for simply showing up for work, retiring too young collecting health and retirement benefits the rest of your lives.

Although they ALL feel that they EARNED every one of their "socialist" benefits, by ¦quot;putting their lives on the line¦quot; but if the truth is total, the military actually rescued them from the otherwise menial labor that they would have instead "enjoyed".

So who's the socialist?
18:43 April 9, 2010 by Beachrider
As an American taxpayer, I look forward to reducing military costs in Europe. I don't believe that basing tons of infantry and nukes in Germany is required anymore. Some people feel that this cost continues to be justified, I don't. If we are ever going to get the budget controlled, we will have to reduce military spending. NO COUNTRY has the long-term GDP spending on Military that the USA has had for forty years. This isn't an either-or situation, we need to do both military and social-program adjustments.
22:10 April 9, 2010 by Jasmine33
I have to agree with many of the things some posters here say against Obama. I have never in my years seen a president make so many enemies so fast after being elected as this one. Ok, now I don't know if I should express this online or not, as the Obama administration is keeping taps on emails, etc. But, here goes. I surf the web a lot and sometimes think of all kinds of things to look up. So, you here so much of Christianity, religion, etc., but you almost never here of people who worship Satan. I am most definitely not one of those, absolutely not, and I hope you are not either. However, I just got curious and typed in Google search "Satan Worship in America". I do know it is global though. So, one of the websites that came up is from a Pastor David Manning who talks about Obama. It is the one who is standing at the church pulprit with other religious leaders around him. If you find this website, listen very, very carefully to what David Manning says about Obama. Then today I found another video by David Manning who says Obama is pure, unadulterated evil. I think I typed in "what David Manning says about Obama", or something like that. Very interesting stuff. I really don't believe Obama is what supporters think he is, a good man. I'm putting myself on the line here because I take Christianity very seriously, and the other thing, er, you know, the opposite of Christianity. So I must pray for God's protection in this matter. I just think the world should here what David Manning has to say.
22:49 April 9, 2010 by Prufrock2010

So now Obama is the antichrist? I wondered how long it would take for that opinion to appear.

Trust me, Obama can't be the antichrist as long as Dick Cheney's still around.

@Grenadier and dbert4:

You have both hit the nail on the head.

The irony here is that neither Ronald Reagan nor Barry Goldwater could be elected in America today because they would both be deemed "too liberal."

Sometimes I just have to marvel at the ignorance that infests these conversations. I genuinely lament the intellectual decline of my countrymen. Thank god I got out when I did.
17:00 April 10, 2010 by Jasmine33
Prufrock2010: I never said Obama is the antichrist, and if you listened to any of the videos that Dr. David Manning issued on the matter, neither did he. It was only an observation about Obama that he is not what he appears to be. If you had any literary intelligence at all about the antichrist you would know that he will not come from America and that his time to make himself known to man openly has not come yet.

Are you from America and saying you're glad you got out when you did? Well, that's good. About asking if Obama is black has anything to do with the way things are going, well, yes to a degree it is. There are other issues about him as well that I will not discuss here.

I want to tell you that I'm glad that I'm an American. Yes, there are bad things here, as there are globally, and the intellectual decline is not just in America but globally as well. Why do you think the world is in the condition it is in if intellectual decline was not global? America is one of the great nations on earth, and even though as said before bad things happen, there are good things here too. Many good things.
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