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Germany demands Israel address Hamas killing

AFP/The Local · 18 Feb 2010, 19:22

Published: 18 Feb 2010 19:22 GMT+01:00

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"In view of the information revealed so far, I believe it is imperative to clear up thoroughly the circumstances surrounding Mahmud al-Mabhuh's death," Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said in a statement.

Andreas Michaelis, head of the German Foreign Ministry's Middle East desk, held the talks in Berlin with Emmanuel Nahshon, deputy chief of the Israeli mission, at Westerwelle's behest, the statement said.

Michaelis "asked the Israeli side to examine whether it could provide information that could help clear up the killing ... in Dubai and if so, to present this information," it added.

Diplomatic tensions have mounted over Mabhuh's killing after Dubai's police chief revealed that 11 European passport holders - six British, three Irish, one French and one German - were allegedly involved.

No government has directly accused Israel but speculation about the killers has centred on Israel's Mossad intelligence services, which have used agents with fake passports for such operations in the past.

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Dubai police chief Lieutenant General Dahi Khalfan Tamim said he was almost certain Mossad was behind the murder, The National newspaper reported.

"Our investigations reveal that Mossad is involved in the murder of Mabhuh. It is 99 percent, if not 100 percent that Mossad is standing behind the murder," Khalfan told the Abu Dhabi-based English-language daily.

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20:34 February 18, 2010 by DepotCat
There are similar noises being made by the UK government. With Israeli lobby groups firmly entrenched in the U.K's political parties this is all just bluster for public consumption only.

They've never bothered too much about the fact that if you go down the right street, illegal immigrants could buy a fake British passport for £1-2,000...mabye less, including a national insurance ID, and fake driving licence...usually an Italian or Portugese one.
20:48 February 18, 2010 by Celeon
Well, the Mossad surely does not have to buy fake passports anywhere.

Intelligence services make them by themselves and they usually are of excellent quality.

11 people is a quite big team for that job. Why so many?
22:45 February 18, 2010 by jade_divoff
I think there are two main issues with this case. The first is that the identities stolen were of living, breathing European citizens who are now "implicated" in an assassination. No one really cares about the Hamas terrorist that was killed, but imagine seeing your identity splashed across international televisions as being wanted for a murder investigation. Taken even further, what if one of these citizens had the misfortune to be in Dubai when the assassination took place. The second issue is that no country wants to be seen as a nation where their citizen's identification documents can be easily forged for nefarious purposes...no matter how true that scenario is.
00:56 February 19, 2010 by TheEye
Just in case they are running short, could Mossad please let me know how I can lend my passport to them for any future operations like this?
06:16 February 19, 2010 by nepo77
Haas got elected by the Palestinian people in a UN monitored and confirmed election. The "international" community didn't want that and didn't accept that. So there freedom fighters now and the west plus Israel is the terror organization.

Either your democratic or your not. But dont bullshit about terrorists when there being oppressed. As for a country killing leaders of another country -immediate sanctions would be the sane response. But as we can see in this forum most are pretty much stormtroopers on the deathstar -completely clueless.
08:31 February 19, 2010 by mixxim
Watch for the sequel to the'Munich' film - how state sponsored murderers can go about business without world criticism. Unfortunately the Palestinians are now their own worst enemies, atrocities carried out by some of them have lost any support for their cause.
10:33 February 19, 2010 by Talonx
Mixxim, totally agree. The most disconcerting thing, however, is that a nation built on the foundations of a people so horribly aware of the depths to which humanity can sink has not done its part in making sure 'never again' becomes a reality.
10:41 February 19, 2010 by Jibzy

He's only a terrorist because you dont like him..or?

Is he a terrorist because all your information says he is?

He is fighting to take back his land which Israel took over. How is he a terrorist?

The biggest terrorist of the world is the US government and all its allies. There are only a handful of countries on this earth which US has NOT bombed. They're the one who nuked a nation.. TWICE. They're the country who threw napalm on vietnamese civilians. Search on youtube if you want proof and i bet you that your heart would come upto your throat.
10:55 February 19, 2010 by michael4096
I suspect that everything is going exactly to plan. The choice of these passports and their easy tracing back to Israel simply underline the don't-mess-with-us image that mossad likes portraying.
11:32 February 19, 2010 by Frenemy
The obvious traceability and attribution of these "assassins" makes me seriously doubt the Israel connection (more like counter-intel/strategic deception by some other power trying to make Israel look like the guy holding the knife standing over the body).

But IF this was in fact a Kidon operation, then they seriously f#cked up. This is the sh!ttiest tactical/action planning (by a world power) that I've ever seen.

11 operators??!! What the hell for?
11:40 February 19, 2010 by Al uk
More anti US crap from jibzy. No doubt in your weird little mind the US is behind this as well.

Michael4096 has it bang on the money and the above has been reading too many fiction novels.
11:49 February 19, 2010 by Frenemy
@Al uk:

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't." --Mark Twain

12:40 February 19, 2010 by Zatoichi
Mabhuh was not "killed" or "murdered" in Dubai. He was executed for murders he had committed. He was just in a more luxurious setting at the time. Hopefully be was attending his bidet when the end came. Good job, to whoever snuffed this POS.
13:12 February 19, 2010 by MJTinNOLA
Jizby, once again, your pathetic and sad jealously of the US shines through with amazing stupidity. Yes, the US did nuke Japan twice. Why don't you check your history books, or are facts just inconvenient obstacles to your rewriting of history? Let me see, , the US nuked a country that started the war in the first place. And what is this?.... Japan was warned about this before hand and refused to even begin to try to come to terms with the Allies. How about the millions of lives saved on BOTH sides by dropping those bombs? Maybe you would prefer many more people to die in a losing war? Is that your idea of a good thing? That is plain stupid.

And yes, the US takes action when it is needed (and so does Israel and the UK). Remember the Kosovo war? Thousands of people being killed less than a 1000 km from Germany, and what did the Europeans do? Debate what was the proper way to handle this bloody war caused by a known criminal. How about the Russian attack on Georgia? The US parked a naval squadron and sent immediate aid while Brussels sent a strongly worded note of protest to Vladimir Putin. Good job. If the US were not there to take action when it is needed, there would be many millions more people dead or suffering. You are jealous that the US succeeds when the EU just plays nice, closes its eyes and wishes problems away. Pathetic.

And yes, Hamas is a terrorist group whose constitution calls for the total destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews (sound familiar?) Hamas launched thousands of rockets into Israel (internationally recognized Israeli territory, not occupied territory), and you expect Israel to sit back and take it? How about if Ireland sent a couple of hundred rockets into Ulster in the name of liberating Ulster from the English? Or how about Germany sending suicide bombers into Poland to get back territory occupied after the last effort of Germans to rule the world? Of course the countries attacked would be justified in responding. But in your twisted little excuse for a brain, this does not hold true for Israel. You know, you would make an excellent Republican in the US, you really do Olympic gold-medal standard mental gymnastics. And if you knew even the littlest thing about Mossad, you would know this is not the kind of operation they do. they are not so sloppy, and no Mossad agent would ever be caught on camera. The only "evidence" for pointing to Israel is that one of the fake passports used the name of a foreign person living in Israel. So what? It could have been any one of dozens of other countries, or groups. My, it could even be hitmen hired from outside! Find out for yourself what the experts are saying about this, So Germany just needs to back off Israel, and let them do the job they are to cowardly to do, and are to hypocritical to admit they want done. Next stop: Iran's nuclear facilities. Good luck and God-speed Israel. Keep up the good work!
13:22 February 19, 2010 by Frenemy
@MJTinNOLA: I agree whole-heartedly!

However, it should also be kept in mind that while the bureaucrats in Brussels, Berlin, and Paris jibber-jabber and "condemn in the strongest terms" the acts of despotic criminals, not all Europeans wanna sit down for tea and crumpets with our enemies and "discuss our differences".....

I look forward to the day when the last old-school appeasing/apologist European politician kicks the bucket. We might then be able to get some sh!t done...
15:21 February 19, 2010 by wenddiver
Wow! How awful, a person who sits around planning the murder of innocent civilians will not be available to serve the wack jobs of this world.

While we are asking Israel for an explanation, how about Dubai explain why a known terrorist like this was walking around on his own passport with no fear whatsoever. No need for boyguards, you can hide in plain sight in Dubai!

Terrorists are not protected by any of the international agreement. Everbody should feel free to hunt them like the rats they are.

Dubai should thank Israel for not taking him out with a bomb and the resulting colateral damage orusing a rocket like Hamas. It seamed a reasoned and limited response to senceless murder that Israeli operatives risked their own lives to pull off.
19:50 February 19, 2010 by lordwilliams629
To any mossad agents reading, If any of you need to borrow my passport to kill more hamas leaders, email me i'll gladly lend mine. (edwards629@yahoo.com)
20:48 February 19, 2010 by michael4096

surely what we have here is a conflict between intent and likelyhood - where some people are more concerned with intent and some more with likelyhood

for example, the average hamas rocket man has a stated intent of hurting lots of people but the probability of hurting anyone is very low and he knows that

the mossad agents intend to kill one, the "guilty", and no others, and the probability of success is high - give or take a few innocents that occasionaly get in the way

and, the result of both is a small number of dead people and somewhat more psychologically disturbed killers

you are wise, if not brave, donating only your passport
13:30 February 20, 2010 by Bushdiver
What are the Germans whining about now. Who cares if another POS is wasted. It wasn't millions, only one.
17:03 February 20, 2010 by amphioxus
If true Mossad did it, it is merely another event that shows the utter contempt the non-jewish World suffers. Israel attacks a navy ship of it's staunchest ally, US, and kills gentile sailors. Not a problem. They forge documents to commit extra-judicial killings in Dubai of some non-Jewish Semite ! Certainly not a problem! Why the fuss?

Say nothing. Admit nothing. It has all happened many times before. They, the rest, will always just accept it and forget it in time. Ambiguity!. Reticence! No comment!! How smart!? How nice?! The rest of the World will quickly forget the whole story and Israel can happily carry on in it's self-interested selfish fashion.

You can absolutely guarantee this episode will die like the man in the story and the West ['led' by US] will vapidly forget the whole thing. It has happened many times before. Just watch! You can guarantee it!!
18:56 February 20, 2010 by wood artist
Beyond the basic question about this attack, there are far too many issues here to talk about all of them. However, the basic facts remain.

Israel came into existence in 1948, based upon a simple request by "the Jews" that they simply wanted a land to call their own...a state if you will. Okay, that's history and that's done. After the 1967 war, which was just a continuation of the century's old battle for the area, Israel occupied territory outside of their official boundaries...and still does.

Now, the Palestinians are presenting the same plea we heard in 1948..."we just want a land to call our own...a "state" if you will." They also wanted Israel to give back the lands that they still occupy. Okay, for the most part those seem like reasonable demands. Of course, there are extremist groups that still want to erase Israel from the map, and they are NOT acceptable demands.

So, Israel goes on building settlements in the occupied areas, creates rules and fences that limit what the Palestinians can do, and pretty much dictate the whole area. Their military can (and does) do things that are unacceptable. The Palestinians are still "fighting" for their basic rights and that "state" they're not allowed to have. They do things that are also illegal, such as firing rockets into Israel, suicide bombers, and the like.

Nobody is "right" in this fight, but nobody is willing to take the steps necessary to stop it. If Israel, or its leadership, was actually brave enough to sit down with the "other side" and honestly negotiate, they could calm things greatly. No, the extremists wouldn't go away...they likely never will...but the locals wouldn't support them in the same way if they could simply get on with their lives and see some hope for the future.

Will it ever happen? Seems less and less likely, doesn't it?

13:06 February 21, 2010 by michael4096
but nobody is willing to take the steps necessary
A sensible summary, wood artist, but I'm not sure if it is willingness to take steps that is the problem or the fact that nobody knows what steps to take. Look at the map and imagine a compromise where both sides split the difference on the current issues - what will the map look like? As it is, a palestinian state is totally unworkable split into so many enclaves.

A workable two state solution would require a complete redrawing of the map allowing each a workable, secure area. This would require enormous concessions from both sides but more importantly it is still difficult to see what it would look like from the resource perspective: particularly water. How do you ensure that one side doesn't control the water supply?

Given enough good will - i.e. the ones benefiting from the status quo are somehow sidelined - the only real option is surely one-state. A belgium of the holy land.
05:04 March 1, 2010 by Concerned101
Is Israel a Good Global Citizen?

Israel has been accused of using fake passports from Australia, Britain, Ireland, France and Germany in the assassination of a Hamas leader in Dubai. In 2004 New Zealand cut diplomatic ties with Israel when two Israeli agents attempted to secure New Zealand passports and in 1996 Israel was caught using counterfeit Canadian passports. In the wake of this, and Israel's failure to adhere to numerous United Nations resolutions, the question must be asked; Is Israel a Good Global Citizen? I fear that the answer may not be answered in the positive.
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