Michelle Pfeiffer lauds younger screen lovers at Berlinale

Michelle Pfeiffer said she has fewer role choices now that she is 50 but the upside is that her on-screen lovers keep getting younger, as she unveiled her new Stephen Frears drama "Cheri" Tuesday at the Berlin Film Festival.

Michelle Pfeiffer lauds younger screen lovers at Berlinale
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In the film, which drew enthusiastic applause at a press screening, the US actress plays an ageing courtesan who seduces a rival’s callow son, two decades after she starred in Frears’ erotic drama “Dangerous Liaisons.”

She told a press conference full of questions on how she maintains her still-striking beauty that the film industry was not such a bad place for an actress of a certain age.

“They do allow you to get older in Hollywood. Some of us continue to work and this is a good example of it,” said Pfeiffer, who will be 51 in April. “It seems that my leading men just keep getting younger the older I get. But lucky for me, I don’t really mind it,” she purred.

She said she had learned a few tricks about the business in her 30 years of acting.

“When I’m working I take really good care of myself and when I’m not working I stay out of sight,” Pfeiffer said. “And I stopped smoking when I was 30, that helped.”

“Cheri” is based on the 1920 novel by French writer Colette and adapted for the screen by Christopher Hampton, who also wrote “Dangerous Liaisons.” It tells the story of Lea, a still beautiful, independent woman of means thanks to her illustrious career as a concubine to princes and industrialists, who is living in Paris on the eve of World War I.

Her former colleague in the business of seduction – Madame Peloux, played by Oscar-winner Kathy Bates – complains to her that her handsome young son seems content to live a life of debauchery with no direction or purpose. So Lea takes “Cheri,” as she calls the 21-year-old, under her wing – and into her bed.

Asked about the prevalence of May-December romances on screen at the festival with an older woman on top, including “The Reader” starring Kate Winslet as a woman in postwar Germany who takes a teenage lover, Pfeiffer said with a smile: “I think it’s a positive step in the right direction.”

Pfeiffer said she was thrilled when Frears asked to work with her again. “She worked out what fading beauty might be like because she clearly doesn’t know anything about that,” Frears quipped.

The director bristled when a reporter asked whether a tragic romance set in Belle Epoque France was appropriate during a global economic slowdown or at the Berlin festival, which is known for showcasing gritty political cinema.

“Of course in the Depression, people used to go to see Fred Astaire films,” he said, noting that audiences often sought “escapism” in tough times. “I can show you a miserable film if you want.”

Frears said it was not easy to strike the right tone in telling the story of a seemingly superficial affair between two wealthy, frivolous people that turns sour.

“There’s a tragedy going on underneath, that’s why it was so difficult, that was what you had to get right,” he said. “And it goes right back to Colette, that was how she wrote the book.”

“Cheri” is one of 18 contenders for the Berlin festival’s Golden Bear top prize, to be awarded by jury president Tilda Swinton at a gala ceremony Saturday. The event wraps up the next day.


What’s behind Germany’s obsession with roundtable politics talk shows?

Forget the Bundestag. If you want to understand German politics - and see how lively it can really be - turn on your (almost nightly) talk show.

What's behind Germany's obsession with roundtable politics talk shows?

It may well be one of the most German things imaginable – a roundtable discussion designed to give a fair amount of time to a wide range of viewpoints before (maybe) achieving some sort of consensus.

Failing that, viewers – theoretically anyway – walk away better informed and open to changing some of their opinions after a, again theoretically, respectful discussion.

Welcome to the German political talk show circuit – a collection of moderated roundtable discussions.

Whether its Anne Will on Sunday nights, “Hart aber fair” or “tough but fair” on Mondays, or Maybrit Illner on Thursdays and Markus Lanz on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays – you can tune into several political panels a week if you fancy.

If you have politically-minded German friends or co-workers, you might ask: “Did you watch Lanz last night?” Anecdotally, at least as many people who watch will have strong opinions about why they don’t.

Ukrainian Ambassador Andriy Melnyk makes a video appearance (left video) on the Markus Lanz show on 10 March 2022. Photo: picture alliance/dpa/ZDF | Cornelia Lehmann

“Lanz is a disgrace!” and “I don’t watch Anne Will out of principle!” are both phrases I’ve heard myself more than a few times over the years.

But if you are a fan and you miss an episode, don’t worry – many news outlets will run summaries of what happened during said roundtable the next morning.

“Newspapers regularly publish these recaps almost as if they were relevant parliamentary meetings,” says Peter Littger, a columnist on language and culture in Germany. “It’s super relevant politically. It can increase your voting base and certainly your book sales if you appear there.”

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‘Consensus-oriented political culture’

If the nationally-focused ones aren’t enough for you, there’s a good chance you can find a show on a regional broadcaster focusing on issues in your federal state, again in – you guessed it – roundtable format.

As you might have gathered, the show’s name is often the same as its host, who functions first and foremost as a moderator there to facilitate and mediate a discussion between guests who are chosen specifically to balance a panel.

For a discussion on Ukraine, for example, you’ll regularly have people from every political party, from ministers and high-ranking parliamentarians who chair important Bundestag committees to pro-Russian voices from the German Left Party and far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD).

And no one is too high-ranking not to make at least the occasional appearance. Chancellor Olaf Scholz himself joined a Maybrit Illner roundtable on July 7th this year.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz appears on the Maybrit Illner show on 7 July 2022. Photo: picture alliance/dpa/ZDF | Svea Pietschmann

Both European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba have also made appearances on Anne Will this year.

In characteristically German fashion, state broadcasters have extensive written regulations to ensure a panel also has a balance of people from relevant expert disciplines. For instance, a coronavirus panel may well feature a notable doctor alongside a civil liberties lawyer.

“Germany has a more consensus-oriented political culture than you might see in a country like the UK, for example, which is more confrontational and even adversarial,” says Sebastian Ludwicki-Ziegler a PhD researcher at the University of Stirling’s Department of Communications, Media, and Culture.

“You’ll still get some invited guests who are very contrarian and even aggressive – like Thilo Sarrazin (a former politician who wrote a controversial book in 2010 about Muslim immigration to Germany) for example. But even then, the moderator often tries to maintain a softer, more civil tone.”

Ludwicki-Ziegler says that while the roundtable format reflects German political culture, it also reflects its institutional setup. A show producer can simply get more obvious ranges of political opinion in a country with Germany’s proportional representation, which has seven parties in parliament.

Historic roundtables

Unlike the often subdued German Bundestag though, German talk shows can certainly get lively, or even historic.

Perhaps the most notable TV roundtable happened right after the 2005 federal election. With then incumbent Social Democrat Gerhard Schröder having finished only one percent behind Christian Democrat Angela Merkel when all the votes were counted, party leaders gathered in the traditional “Elefantenrunde,” or yes, the “Elephant’s round,” to discuss the results.

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With the final election result having been so close, observers still discuss whether Schröder lost his chancellorship at the ballot box or during the 2005 Elefantenrunde. In contrast to a calm Merkel, Schröder insisted he would stay on as Chancellor.

Brash and arrogant, some observers have asked whether he was drunk at the time. German media outlets ran anniversary pieces looking back at his disastrous roundtable performance 5, 10, and 15 years later. One such anniversary piece from 2020 called the roundtable “Schröder’s embarrassing end.”

The 2005 post-election roundtable, or “Elefantenrunde,” is considered by many German political observers to be the disastrous end to former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder;s political career. Photo: picture alliance / dpa | ZDF/Jürgen_Detmers

Mastering the roundtable appearance is a big plus for a German politician, or anyone else looking to move the needle of German public opinion.

Satisfying a particularly German impulse, you can certainly also walk away feeling like you’ve considered all sides. But are there drawbacks?

On 8 May 2022’s edition of Anne Will, social psychologist Harald Welzer appeared to lecture Ukrainian Ambassador Andriy Melnyk that 45 percent of Germans were against delivering heavy weapons to Ukraine because of German war history. Many observers criticised Welzer for patronising the Ambassador of a country at war about the need to have weapons for its own self-defense.

The exchange, and a fair few others, lead some experts to wonder whether the roundtable format so many German political talk shows seem to love gives too big a platform to pro-Russian voices or to controversial writers like the aforementioned Thilo Sarrazin.

“If we take Germany and Ukraine as one example, you can get some great guests who come on and really set things straight with facts, data, and plain talk,” says Benjamin Tallis, a Fellow in German Security Policy at the German Council on Foreign Relations.

“But you can get false balance. You’ll get people on with rather fringe opinions given a platform against people who have a lot more experience and evidence. That’s true in a lot of places now, sure, but this talk show format really lends itself to that because of the amount of guests you need on a nightly basis,” says Tallis.

“Unfortunately in Germany, many guests are invited on based on their opinions about an issue rather than the level of their expertise, in order to try and achieve balance,” says Minna Alander, a specialist in German foreign policy who recently joined the Finnish Institute of International Affairs after more than a decade working in Berlin.

“When you start equating opinion with knowledge, it makes it way more difficult to have a fact-based debate. On matters of life and death, like in Ukraine, that can have a polarising effect.”