More Turks in Germany than previously thought
Published: 2 Feb 13 10:45 CET | Print version
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More than half a million people with Turkish roots are living in Germany than had been previously suspected, it was reported on Saturday. The discovery occurred because the way statisticians categorize people has changed.
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The 300-page Migration Report for 2011, which the federal cabinet signed off on this week, is a veritable encyclopedia for immigration researchers and politicians.
The 2010 report showed 2.48 million residents with Turkish roots, but the 2011 report said there were 2.95 million. The paper said that was odd, as an immigration of a half-million people would surely have been noticed.
Additionally, the number of people living in Germany with a Turkish passport actually dropped between 2010 and 2011 by nearly 22,000.
A change in the way people are counted, according to the Berlin-based “Media Service for Integration” caused the final figures to come out differently.
The nearly half-million increase has to do with 471,000 children, born in Germany to families with a Turkish background and are German since birth.
Previously children with a Turkish background did not show up in the data if their parents had Turkish roots. These children were categorised as “people with an immigration background without any information regarding their land of origin.”
That has now changed. Now statisticians are noting the land of origin – however only if both parents are from the same country. Separating out the land of origin for children born to Chinese-Russian or Polish-Romanian couples is too complicated.
These new numbers show that roughly half of Turkish-German children are born in Germany.
The paper said this should have a positive effect on these children’s education because kids with a German passport and a Turkisih background are on average more successful in school that the previous generation.
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I'm not sure what they mean though by saying it will have a positive effect on these children's educational experience, because before these half million children were characterized as German and now they list them as Turkish-Grrman, to me that change is meaningless, I understand the idea that second generation immigrants do better in school, that is true everywhere, but moving children around on a statistics list changes nothing.
I would make this long-distance prediction. The sons and daughters of Turks born in Germany...will have kids of their own....over the next two or three decades...and those kids will have almost no connection to Islam or to Turkey. Most will ask why the heck they had to have Turkish sounding names, and go to the process of changing their name by age eighteen.
Second, Germans are becoming very friendly with Turkish (on the paper, not on day to day stuff), cause turkey is the most growing country in Europe (last year even in the world). Lets remember that Germany few years ago was the biggest opponent of turkey entering Europe (last year turkey silently was asked by Germany to join EU, turkey told rightly to f. off).
Last, Turkish new generation should go back to turkey to live, they will have much more opportunities (now is the perfect timing as per above), and the advantage of speaking English and German would help.. Being Turkish in Germany unfortunately is a weak point.
Fortunately, the history from the past will never repeat.
"Fortunately, the history from the past will never repeat"
I am not so sure about that.
If Germans keep reading BILD, nationalism will keep growing
There has been a rise in women wearing headscarves around this town and most are second or third generation of the original guest workers.
Plus there are now three Islamic places of worship within 20 k.
So if you believe there will be integration anytime soon may I kindly ask you to look at the U.K.'s Pakistani population to see that sadly it just is not going to happen ,yet the West Indian population mixes fine ,so I can only put it down to religion and as far as I know religion is not a race ,so please don't tar me as a racist.
I don't feel so pessimistic about racism toward Turkish people in Germany, most young people accept them as Friends and neighbors. I think it really is just a small minority that supports Nazis now, most from the east where they have so much unemployment, or else very old people.
They are merely taking advantage of an opportunity by fleeing upheaval, unrest, persecution and no jobs to come to a country that is settled and very well off to fill in the low paying jobs no one wants or no people are available to fill created by low birth levels and working their way up the prosperity ladder.
It is happening just in Germany. Case closed. You get what you pay for.
That has now changed. Now statisticians are noting the land of origin however only if both parents are from the same country. Separating out the land of origin for children born to Chinese-Russian or Polish-Romanian couples is too complicated.
Does that mean complicated situations are ignored?
Who are the main ones spitting every five yards on the footpath, something learned from watching camels I presume. Who are the ones talking so loudly on public transport as though there's no one else on the tram or train. Let's not mention their race, but you know them. Anyway, their race is not the issue, I'm sure any race would be welcome in Germany, but surely people's cultures can be challenged, especially when that culture creates disharmony within the host country.
I know many people from the from Istanbul who carry the same race as other people from their country, and the people from Istanbul are ashamed or the others, they say they are also disliked in Istanbul.
So before you pull the racist card, please ask yourself if what people really don't like is the culture. Because someone from a different race but behaving similar to the host country, I'm sure will be treated differently to the one who brings their incompatible culture with them and decides to disadvantage future generations by conditioning them with the old traditions as well.
I am not a racist, I am a Multi-Culturist, and I see no problem in voicing concerns about disharmony created by mixing such extremely opposite cultures.
Multiculturalism serves mainly the industrialists and the government who want cheap labour, to break unions and to push everyone's pay bargaining power down, if you think multi-national companies and governments support multi-kulti for altruistic reasons, you are totally delusional. I bet the greater majority of politicians and industrialists don't live in multi-kulti areas.
The same Scenario can be seen in all other western countries I think we risk losing our western culture and identity if we do nothing.
1. Germany's culture is not a fixed thing but has been changing for 10,000 years and will continue to change, you cannot 'lose it' - dönner kebab anyone? Of course, the Turks will have "...irreversible impacts on the demographics, culture...", Germany will be a different Germany to what it would be without them but why is this a bad thing? Don't forget that your forebears were also immigrants - as for all of us.
2. Immigrants adapt to the local culture faster than the local culture to the immigrant. Immigrants to America quickly become Americans. Similarly, say, Indians in Britain are rapidly becoming as British as their hosts - food for many soap operas and sitcoms. Second or third generation Turks have no links to Turkey, they are Germans - if you let them be.
3. "...irreversible impacts on the ... gene pool..." are you sure you really want to go there? Lets just say that modern science actually applauds the expansion of gene pools.
Just to answer point 2 .
You may be correct with the Indians and the West Indians in the U.K. however the Pakistanis are not mixing even after 3 or 4 generations and that is not their culture it is simply down to their religion ,and I think the Turks are going to have the same problem ,I hope I am wrong but if you see the news coming out the U.K. I don't think I am.