Published: 1 Feb 13 16:50 CET | Print version
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As Germany tightened its laws against having sex with animals, zoophile advocates gathered in central Berlin on Friday to fight for their right to choose who, or what, they love. The Local's Jessica Ware reports.
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Millions?.....Please say it ain't so, I sincerely doubt that number, there might be a million sick twisted puppies around the world but in Germany alone? God I hope there aren't millions of Germans bedding down with Axel every night.
I. am. speechless.
Human race, lost cause.
It was made legal in the 60's along time after you know who.
Plus "These sick individuals need to be exterminated." would put you dead in line with his thinking.
I have nothing against male or female homosexuality - it involves people making decisions for themselves, but I am totally against having sex ON animals. Are dogs, goats, sheep or whatever really consenting partners and show sexual pleasure? I think not. It is rape, pure and simple.
who will pay for half man half dog child support?
Pets are for petting not poking!!!!
People who are legitimate zoophiles are not sick, nor are they twisted, and they are most certainly not raping and abusing animals. And yes, the number of actual zoophiles is quite large. Assuming a lower than likely percentage of only 1.43% of the people on this planet being zoophiles (which is an orientation, not a choice just to clarify), that's still more than 100,000,000 people. The numbers as far as can be estimated right now (and that's still likely lower than the real total) are around 4-5% (the numbers vary from source to source and study to study, but they tend to average out around there). Of those, a much smaller number are actually able to have the relationships that they desire with animals due to safety concerns (with laws as well as ignorant people such as those who have posted previous to me), lack of funds, lack of appropriate living conditions (living in an apartment where pets aren't allowed for example), and various other reasons.
And then of course there is the matter of 'freechoice' commenting/asking "what happens if the animals become pregnant? who will pay for half man half dog child support?"
I sincerely hope not all of you are this ignorant of the laws of nature. Because if you aren't, then it means there might potentially be hope for you to understand that the people on your side are on your side because they don't know what they're talking about. Humans cannot impregnate nor be impregnated by non-human animals. The last non-human that we could interbreed with was the Neanderthal, which went extinct approximately 20,000 years ago. The rest of the non-humans on Earth are too far apart from us genetically for even stillborn or sterile results.
So to conclude, I would like to suggest that anyone having negative opinions on the subject without having done thorough research into it first, do that research before commenting. If you can provide a researched and intelligent reason why sex with animals is wrong and/or abuse in all situations, I would love to read it (and I would also be quite amazed that you actually managed to do so). If not, you simply prove my point that there is nothing wrong with a loving and consensual relationship between a human and an animal wherein there is no harm done to either party.
And the original Hamitic curse must be in chaos.
But, come on these protestors, were probably doing this as a bizarre ironic joke
Sad sick society indeed. Nothing nromal no more. Women getting it of with women and Men getting it off with men. Do not dare anyone tell me that it is normal. The facts remain > it is not normal or acceptable behaviour. Period!!
So I shall now give you some easily looked up numbers from online.
Germany, Population - 81,726,000 (2011)
According to the Kinsey Report: 8 percent of men and 3.6 percent of women have had at least one sexual experience with an animal during their lifetime.
For Rural areas the numbers were reported as being significantly higher, approximately 45 percent of men reporting that they have had sexual experiences with animals.
And it should be noted that these numbers are lower than actual values given that sexuality has loosened over the years since then, and even at that time the numbers of people who would report truthfully on the topic of zoophilic behavior would be lower than the real numbers.
So given that information, let us do the math.
(0.08+0.036)/2 = 0.058
81,726,000 x 0.058 = 4,740,108
That's 4,740,108 people minimum in Germany alone that will have had sexual experiences with animals. The values are undoubtedly far higher in reality, and these percentages have been reached in conclusion to other smaller scale studies more recently conducted.
And I would again like to state, these people are not sick, nor are they twisted. They do not have mental illnesses beyond what is considered normal (personality quirks such as chewing on pens, perhaps some ADHD or OCD, some could have insomnia, etc). In other words, zoophiles are no more mentally deranged or damaged than any person you would consider normal.
For those of you trying to use the argument that any sexual attraction and/or behavior other than that of man with woman is somehow unnatural and unacceptable, you are simply displaying to any that might read your comment that you yourself are the one with the mental illness. It seems quite obvious and easy to diagnose... you have an inability to accept the reality around you and are living in a fantasy world wherein everything that you personally believe to be true is in fact so. Take a step back and look around you. Homosexuals now have rights around most of the world, and they are now being given the right to marry at a rapidly increasing rate. People have accepted that color doesn't matter, that women should have the same rights as men, and that the world is round.
I looked up the documentary she mentioned and it's streaming for free at http://www.comingsoon.cz. Shocking but incredibly thought-provoking! It took me a few days to digest but although I haven't been converted yet I think there is room for debate here.
The law being protested makes no difference between animals and the zoophiles' behavior towards them. Everything is criminalized. So if someone falls in love with a pig and has 'romantic' contact with it it's criminal, but if you keep it locked up all it's life and then just kill it for a profit that's absolutely fine?
These people may seem stragnge to us, and maybe they're sick, but I can imagine some of them are truly sensitive and gentle and I cant see whay they should be criminalized.
And we've all seen animals occasionally initiate sexual contact with humans, so why should it be illegal for a human to let an animal have it's way? This new law makes all cases illegal.
Thanks to Mr. Tijn Po for this film. Whay haven't I seen it sooner?
I am betting that the pervert statistics were the prisoner group.
I wanted to call someone to take the dog from the woman ( the police , animal services , anybody) , but didn't have a phone.
At home tried to call the city hall, some animal services , but too late. Ever since, I have my camera with me, and the phone for some animal services memorized on my phone.
Nobody can convince me that whoever did that to the dog was not a sick pervert.
And there's the use of the word 'pervert'. If your idea of a pervert is someone who has sexual intercourse that deviates from the socially accepted 'normal' of a man with a woman (his girlfriend or wife only, no cheating or sleeping around allowed) in missionary position in the privacy of their own bedroom with no one else watching, then yes everyone who has sex with animals is a pervert. Nearly everyone else is as well, however. And if you mean that people who have sex with animals are somehow more of perverts than everyone else, well... take a look at what goes on in peoples' sex lives. You'll be sure to find quite a few more 'perverted' things than simply having consensual straight forward (no added kinks) sex with a loved one in the privacy of their own home. Which is exactly what it is for the majority of zoophiles who have a beloved animal with whom their relationship has progressed to the sexual level.
Do some research on the topic, talk to some people who are zoophiles and are comfortable with what they are. You will find out that they are normal, healthy people, just like you excepting in their sexual orientation. Something that in today's society should only be a concern when there is an issue of consent and maturity. With mature animals there is no question of their ability to tell a person if they like or do not like something that the person wants them to do or is trying to do to them. For the issue of consent, just speak to any veterinarian, they will be able to tell you plenty of stories about how they have to hold the animals down to give them shots or check their eyes or put drops in their ears, and how certain procedures require sedating the animal prior to attempting because the animal while awake would never allow that to be done without fighting for its life. And make note of the fact that the animals involved in these zoophilic relationships (as opposed to bestial where the emotional bond between human and animal is missing) are not mentally or physically damaged in any way, and often initiate the sexual contact through behaviors indicating clearly what they desire, and that is sex.
Tanilion
@Darra I agree with you 100%. Any person who would treat an animal in that way is indeed a sick twisted psychopath that needs to be locked away. That person was not a zoophile, and if you put that person in a room with a zoophile, the zoophile would beat the hell out of her for what she did to animals. People like that give a bad name to zoophiles, despite not actually being a zoophile herself. They thoroughly disgust me, and they thoroughly disgust the zoophile community.
What about pedophiles then? Are we to start accepting them and their relationship with children as long as the children seem to be okay with it? This is not the norm but by your statements you believe we should accept it.
Let me go back to the animal side of it again. Supposing you were against Pedophilia, what about a dog that is only 1 or 2 years old? In human years that would be 7-14 so now does the person wishing to engage in a relationship with the animal have to wait until it is 3 years old (21) or older? For that matter lets bring up the tortoise. In the Calcutta Zoo a Tortoise lived to be 250 years old in captivity. If we were to assume that all animals share the age ratio that Dogs do then people would have to wait until the Tortoise is 70 years old before they could have a relationship with it. That is of course if you are not supporting the Pedophilic lifestyle.
You didn't read my previous comment. I said MATURE only. Meaning 3+ for a large breed of dog, for example.
I have never in any of my posts condoned pedophilia against humans or animals. And I am quite against pedophilia, for that matter. If a person has urges toward a human or animal that is not fully mature and capable of understanding what is happening, it is their responsibility to suppress those urges as there is easily gathered evidence that humans and animals, when not mature, can very easily be physically and mentally damaged by being made to have sex. Thus the behavior is immoral and wrong.
And my argument is based on the premise that it should not be criminal or considered wrong in certain conditions to have sex with animals. Those conditions being that the person and animal both consent, person and animal are both mature, and that there is no harm done to either party.
When someone goes and abuses an animal, causing it physical and/or mental harm through their actions, it should be illegal just as it is when actions such as those are perpetrated upon a human. Rape is rape, whether it's against a man, a woman, a child, or an animal.
And the point I'm raising is that with zoophiles, they legitimately care for their animals. They do not harm them, they do not rape them. They are an entirely different category of people from those who DO harm their animals.
Just imagine if an article about pedophiles was so understanding and empathic, giving so much space to voicing pedophiles' opinions, saying that the demonization of pedophiles was Sexual hysteria, that pedophiles love children, that "moralists had a distorted image of all pedophiles violently abusing children with sex toys. ¦quot;These are the worst lies,¦quot; "
Why are zoophiles (a fringe and not so persecuted group) more defended than pedophiles (which are far more common and also more stigmatized)? Isnt that crazy?
What about pedophiles? I guess that -unlike- with zoophiles, society dont have a distorted image of them. I guess there isnt a sexual hysteria in that matter. I guess that pedophile teens and young people deserve to be demonized....
And then we have Tanilion who says "
And the point I'm raising is that with zoophiles, they legitimately care for their animals. They do not harm them, they do not rape them. They are an entirely different category of people from those who DO harm their animals. ",
But is "quite against pedophilia". Can't you get more hypocritical? How can you defend one sexual minority but not the other? How can you not defend your brothers and sisters? I guess you ALWAYS need someone to bash and discriminate, amirite? Even zoophiles need to look down on someone and feel superior. Even the bullied kid needs another kid to bully.
I wonder why people not say more often that "And the point I'm raising is that with pedophiles, they legitimately care for their children. They do not harm them, they do not rape them. They are an entirely different category of people from those who DO harm their children. "
As to the word "pervert"... your comment actually makes the point rather than challenging it...
[" If your idea of a pervert is someone who has sexual intercourse that deviates from the socially accepted 'normal' of a man with a woman (his girlfriend or wife only, no cheating or sleeping around allowed) in missionary position in the privacy of their own bedroom with no one else watching, then yes everyone who has sex with animals is a pervert.">
...As the definition of pervert is "A person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable", your comment just agrees. Your statistics support the fact that zoophiles are a minority, therefor, they are not the "norm". (The actual norm of course depends on the society. Homosexuality is considered perverted in many places; but in some places like San Francisco, it isn't anymore.)
Peace-
BUT, have SEX with them?????
This is a joke, right?
This is a huge lot of fines if you were to catch everyone. Probably every animal owner, zoo keeper, PETA member and so on will be suspected from now on. And since the matter is hard to prove, circumstantial evidence should suffice. Judging from the comments, anyone convicted, can already expect to by lynched by the mob as well, after they paid their fine that is.
Someone has mentioned psychopaths, where killing and mistreating animals are their first baby steps. I too agree, that the new laws completely fail to protect society in this regard. And I would never consider pet owners as criminals. I mean everyone knows, that people sleep with their pets, there is nothing new about that. Why should I be interested in the details on top of that.
So, seeing as it's not rape and it's not stopping the dog from having a full traditional sex life, what exactly is the issue besides your personal heebee jeebee's? If you find it disgusting, don't do it. I'm not exactly fond of the idea, but I'm not against the people that are. Neither am I into eating poop (not that the two are comparable), but there are people who do that and nobody tries to stop them. They could actually get hurt.