Published: 9 Jan 13 12:37 CET | Print version
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/society/20130109-47231.html
Pola Kinski, daughter of legendary German actor Klaus Kinski, has told a German magazine that she was sexually abused by her father over 14 years from the age of five.
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And she did.
Can't I be wrong once in a while about stuff like this?
No compassion and understanding, though certainly your right to express, but clearly shows a distinct lack of follow feeling. People like you ae the reason so many survivors do not or cannot: skepticism, censure and apathy. Really pathetic lucksi.
And if you try to make money from your alleged abuse without fear for libel/slander or false accusation...
Yeah, yeah, I'm an ass for even daring to doubt it. But I do. It's the "I have written a book and need publicity" that immediately gets me to doubt what is being said.
How many victims of the church wrote a book? How many other victims? But if you are accusing a famous person (whom I don't even care about) and looking for a payday, then my sympathy goes right out the window.
Like Englishted. I'll back you on this one as well.
She never brought charges. The man is dead and is unable to defend himself.
As a Christian. I'll just accept that if he did as she claims. He will (or is) being punished at this moment.
But for her to accuse him of something that cannot be dis-proven at the same time as she is selling a tell all book. I smell a rotten fish.
@AClassicRed
I would ask you. What evidence or reason do you base your affirmation of his guilt upon. Unless you are a psychic. And with your psychic powers I would think you would be to busy buying those wining lottery tickets and moving someplace warm to post on here.
But child abuse is one of those subjects that has special status. If you are accused of it. You are assumed guilty until proven innocent.
You people are just envious because you dont have a way to make same same money than she can with this.
None of us knows the thruth, so it's just between him and her. He just happens to be dead.
What's wrong if she wants to get money collected from foolish Peeping Tom who's ready to spend money for the book?
What's worse thing what could happen from this big news flas which tell Klaus Kinski to be child molestor? Is somebody harmed physically or mentally?
There is more worse thing happening all the time in the world compared to this revelation.
She may very well be telling the truth. And at one time it WAS between her and her father. But the minute she "went public" to make money from her accusations she became fair game for the skeptics.
The harm of accusing someone of a crime after the accused is dead. Doesn't do harm to the dead person. It's called a bad example to others.
The leap from lying about the acts of the dead to make money. To lying about the living to make money may not be as big as you imagine. here is a prime example of what your attitude leads to. Otherwise called the slippery slope/ Coarsening of society.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/27/brian-banks-exonerated_n_1548823.html
At least Roman Polanski has actually made (damn) good movies
It seems reasonable to me that all the accolades laid on her father, would be tiring if what she says is the truth.
Yes, he's dead and can't defend himself, but his only defense would be to deny the charges, whether guilty or innocent, so I will assume he has denied them in absentia. If he was a loving and caring father then I doubt that stumping a book would have caused this women to make those allegations.
but its all speculation on my part as it is on yours.
Everything you say is true. However. When she choose to dig up those old bones and throw them out there for all to see. She is the one opening the idea of speculation and skepticism. It's clear that one of her motives is to sully her fathers "reputation" such as it is. The other is to sell books. She would have been far more successful at ruining his reputation or possibly prevented him from attaining a "good" reputation in the first place. Even had there not been enough evidence of the rape for a conviction. Simply by going to the police many decades ago and reporting her rape. She would have at least cast a shadow upon her father. Which is normally enough to ruin a public figure. Especially back in those days when the moral standards were far higher than they are today.
So in the end. I do question her statement. And her motives.
I am a bit surprised by our fellow posters that they choose to question the victim rather and the outrageous alleged abuse.
I have children and to think of something like that happening to a little girl disturbs me.
To me. It's just matter of (bad) timing on Pola's part to suddenly want to open up after having written a book. She should have opened up a long time ago. I have no idea what happened between her and her father. As such I will most certainly NOT buy her book. I have a very firm believe that one should always be innocent until "proven" guilty. And not guilty through "accusation". But as we have found out in the USA after the advent of DNA testing. It has been found that there are a lot more innocent people in prison than we would like to admit. As in the case I linked to in a prior post.
The law has changed from the good old days when you when you were innocent until proven guilty, the Federal System now say " you are "presumed guilty" by the preponderance of the evidence, State courts want to lower their court dockets by plea bargaining the complaints away.
No doubt that the justice system has a lot of flaws, and yes they estimate by new technology that around 360 people have been executed that were innocent, not to mention all the people that are wrongly imprisoned by police just wanting to close the case.
You use to be entitled to jury of your "peers" , thats not going to happen., Those would be people that actually new you.
If you live in the USA you have a 1 out of 100 chance to be incarcerated , stats say that 1 out of every 100 Americans are in jail and 1 out of 28 kids have a parent in jail, we lead the free world in incarceration rates, and we have some of the highest crime stats, something wrong somewhere.
While your first paragraph may be technically correct. She hid this for all the years she has been an adult. If she was confused when she was young about how bad it is to abuse your kids. I would think that the very moment she held her first born in her arms. She would have figured it out. And then done something about it. But instead she still kept quite.
As per 1/100 Americans being in jail during their life. I have views on that as well. It's called "the war on drugs". The vast majority of prisoners in jail or prison in America are there for drug posession. Most aren't there due to the violence the media tries to foist upon the US citizens. Yes there are some that are violent. One has to remember that starting in the late 70's the zero tolerance for drugs came to be. There are folks serving 5-20 and years and beyond for possession of one joint. Were not talking about attempted distribution. Simple possession. And of course once a person has the stigma of jail/prison. I.E. a criminal record. You could pretty much forget about landing a good job. And so the cycle starts. But. The big issue is that the vicious cycle of prison time for simple possession then becoming a ward of the state. Is precisely what the federal government wanted. They gave them selves more and more power. By creating stricter punishment for simple nonviolent offenses. That's why we have such high crime stats.
There's that darn slippery slope again.
I agree with you , about the drug charges, the Feds with their zero tolerance and mandatory minimum sentencing have locked up a lot of decent people for nothing more than smoking, growing MJ, they incarcerate the coke users that need treatment not jail these people were selling an eight ball just to suport their habit.
If someone sold you an eight ball and you were caught with it, the Feds would give you immunity if you told them how often he sold it to you the more he sold you the better. The person says he bought an 1/8th every Friday for a couple of years, now the feds multiply this by 104 x 1/8th and thats what they charge the person with. This person does not need a lawyer as the lawyer is useless, you are going to jail.
If ,you have had a drunk driving charge they will enhance your sentence, even though you paid your dues.
Thats correct the guy gets out does his supervised release and now is a CF, and we all know that even the Salvation Army does back ground checks,
Like I said something wrong somewhere, didn't you tell me you drove truck in the USA.? crank is the big one there.
I think we are about the same age, and most likely have similar backgrounds ;-)
Mind you. I have not one bit of animosity towards Ms Pola.
I just disagreed with her coming out just as her book is to be published. And disagree with AClassicRed when he/she automatically assumes the guilt of the father simply due to being accused by Pola. And his stance that one must first feel sorry for someone that says they were raped 50 years ago. Then perhaps checking out her story for evidence. To me. That's 180 degrees out of phase. I feel that if she did not have any evidence to turn in her father and kept quite. Yet went on to have a successful life and raised a family. To me. That means she was able to emotionally deal with her situation and thus should have remained quite. And should she not have been the sort of person able to put pen to paper. I imagine she would have remained quite.
Yes. I owned a small trucking company. And contracted with FedEx. So I was one of the lucky ones. FedEx uses dedicated runs. Never more than about 8 hours driving per day. You always returned to your home terminal. And weekends off. But I got fed up after 10 years of night driving from South Dakota into Wyoming and back. The driving wasn't bad. It was not having a social life because of the night shift that made me sell the company. As I'm 55 now. I don't think I'll drive a truck again. I'll stick to motorcycles and my Zed roadster.
Never did drugs to drive my truck. In fact. When I got married in 1985. The future Mrs. Zeddriver said no drugs. Haven't touched them since. Even before Mrs. Zed. I was just a casual every once in a while smoker.
Why now? Because 20 years ago nobody would have listened. A lot of things like that come to light just now, although people knew about it for years. It was a taboo, things like that didn't happen, at least that's what people pretended. People who worked with him weren't really surprised. He was an unpredictable, ruthless bully.
By the way, even if he was still alive, how exactly do you defend yourself if you've abused your daughter?