Published: 8 Jan 13 16:53 CET | Print version
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Few writers have stung Germany's conscience more than Henryk Broder, The Local's German of the week. The prickly polemicist has sparked controversy by encouraging journalist Jakob Augstein be included in a top list of anti-Semites.
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As an Israeli I do not accept his uni lateral position against us but he certainly has the righr to critisize my government without being called anti semitic.
Saying that we all know that the Jewish hate was for many generations in Europe not only in Germany, the Jews were blamed as capitalists,as communists,as those who bare the guilt for Christ death,inferior race,not being loyal to their homeland country,responsabile for the bad economical situation in their land,ecc,ecc
After the holocaust the hate for the Jews was not so "sexy" any more but today we see again that religious Jews are attacked,their graveyards vandalized, their synagouges are also target for their haters ,some times the right radicals and neo nazies are involved and some other times the left radicals who feel it easier to hite the European Jews then to demonstrate against our embassies in Europe.
As for the accusation, 'Some Germans want a second Holocaust' this could probably be said of a few cracks in almost every country of the world. It is also not to deny, that the danger of a creeping Islamization of Europe, has been completely overlooked by most governments.
However, what most people of any intelligence do not understand, is why the children of Holocaust survivors are themselves so often violent and unjust to the native population of the areas taken over to build the new state of Israel in 1948. One might think that members of an ethnic group, or religion, who have suffered so much injustice, would be the last to commit such offences
Although most Germans were never anti-Semitic, after what happened in their country, it is quite understandable when they have a dilemma when dealing with Israel. It is hard criticise others for committing crimes against humanity after all that the German government did between 1933-45.
On the other hand, war crimes should be named for what they are. To call every fair criticism
German anti-Semitism, is as false as to say that Germany was the only country during the 20th century which saw Jews as a problem. Poland was little better!
To spread hate is no answer to the evil which is done in this world. Two wrongs have never made a right and this goes for Israel as well as for any other country. Stupid statements from irrational old men will certainly do nothing to increase sympathy for that country.
Israel is believed to a civilized, democratic country, therefore it is also more demanding to solve the border dispute in better way.In generally the German media report very cautious about Israel.That is perhaps the reason why the left spectrum thinks it is not historically burdened and it would be ingenuous and have the right to criticize Israel sometimes.
The right to self-defense of Israel is hardly criticized,when its not get out of proportion,but with the settlement policy have much Germans a problem.And he knows it and that's what annoys him.
Otherwise you are a dishonest bigot.
This is the second time you I am seeing same post of this same rubbish. Please do not insult our intellect, and go and hang out with your fellow Islamophobs on whichever site where you got it.
Holocaust…holocaust…We have been talking back and forth on holocaust over 60 years , this implies over 60 decibels, is this not too much? Remember: long-term exposure to 60-85 dB or over can cause hearing loss.
However, I do not take kindly to being accused of anything merely because of my ethnicity. It seems to me Mr. Broder himself perhaps hasn't fully overcome the racist thinking so prevalent in Europe before I was born?
Precisely this psyche is triggering the trouble.
in all these fields there are many joint groups of German and Israelies who work together,Germany is the second big nation with tourists to Israel after the USA.
To conclude this dialogue the Germans and the Israelies share a very painfull past ,the people of both nation are working for years to build a new future,education proffessionals visit Israel constantly and meet their collegues here and discuss together the past and on the same time the relations in all above mention fields are advanced.
You're foolish for putting much stake in the political expressions of "national friendship". Many of these are self-serving and for political expedience. One of the staunchest proponents of official "German/Israeli friendship" is essentially the same party with the same ideology that voted Hitler into power "for the good of Germany" and whose church said that "the Jews can take care of themselves". People who proclaim friendship aren't necessarily friends, and people who criticize Israel don't automatically hate Israel.
Start treating people as individuals, not as labels. Thinking about the world as "the Germans", "the Jews", and "the Israelis" makes no sense and just perpetuates injustice and division.
we have to put a line between states ,political interests of states and all what I posted up is real and exsist ,and the personal and individual feeling,my parents were born in Memel they used to be Germans untill 1933,I do not ask you to repay some historical debt or prove anything ,when youcome to buisness you are wellcome as well,I do not agree with you about the historical responsability of the German people of the massacre of the Jews in Europe,and even it is easier for you to ignore the past ,which I may understand why it is not the same for me,
I do not understand in the German politic but correct me if I am wrong, was it the social democratic party who concluded the relationship with Israel in 1960?
I do treat you as individual and it starts with listening to what you have to say and just then expose my way of view, and I never call other people names,sorry that was the education I got from my parents.
Yes, the SPD opened a dialog with Israel. The SPD was also the only party that voted against Hitler in parliament, and they were persecuted and thrown into KZs for it as well (do the SPD politicians who risked their lives and were sent to the camps also have a "historical responsibility" for the Holocaust?).
But a lot of the more recent programs and support for Israel comes from the CDU/CSU, the conservatives. They even have started talking about Germany's "long Christian-Jewish tradition", and they like Israel's hardline politics and the increasing importance of religion in Israeli politics. Their history in the Third Reich was to vote for Hitler and try to protect the interests of their church above all. Somehow, I think their support for Israel is in a morally and politically different category from the traditional support of the SPD.
In any case, if you start off with "Germans have a historical responsibility", you aren't treating Germans as individuals, and you're kidding yourself if you think you do
So lets Not try to blend an Nazie stuff and the Holocaust with the real issues at hand.
The World is getting over crowded. perhaps we need another World War to bring numbers back to something much more sustainable?
I wonder??
That is not the same as a "historical responsibility". A historical responsibility implies that moral and financial responsibility is passed down through the generations in some vague way. It means that you assume that there is something intrinsically wrong with a group of people, simply based on their race or nationality.
You can insist on that belief, but don't expect that people are going to tolerate it. That's not the start of a dialog or friendship, it's the end of it.
"implies that moral and financial responsibility is passed down through the generations in some vague way. It means that you assume that there is something intrinsically wrong with a group of people, simply based on their race or nationality"
I have never wrote or posted such words and I do not agree with it and by saying "historical responsability" I mean that the future generation in Germany and not just there will take the lecture from the past to avoid such events in the future ,Germany do it in different level of education of the young generation,in no way" a financial responsability which pass through generation," in no way "something wrong with a group of people simply based on their race...".
I have not written such things and neighter meant them a moral responsability of preventing such events in future is what is needed..
So, stop talking about my supposed "moral responsibilities as a German". My responsibilities are no different from yours or anybody else's. There are plenty of things wrong in my country, and I suspect there are plenty of things wrong in your country. If you want to talk about those things, you need to do it starting with the idea that we start on morally equal footing.
regnet zu viel ,wer ist Schuldig? Die Jueden-warum-darum, Es gibt keine regen ,wer ist Schuldig? noch mal die Jueden warum?darum!
here our "dialogue" comes to end , I feel we think you do not understand what i post or you do not want to understand it, the end conclusion is the same in both cases.
It was you who made the accusation against me ,without reason,without even a minimal tentative to ask me what are my idea's in different issues you raised.
from the begining and your first words you showed aggrresive attitude and you were not interested even to open a free democratic debate.
I feel sorry for you but as somebody who lived 3 years in Germany I can testify that I met a lote of nice people whith whom I am in contact internet touch till today and they are not Jews but native Germans.
Congratulations to finishing off your message with the favorite phrase of bigots the world over: "some of my best friends are...". As a minority myself, I have been on the receiving end of that more times than I care to remember. It really completes the picture of you so wonderfully.
People on this site read my post and also yours.
that is right.
let them judge .
Lowlife agitator Henryk Broder needs to be told point-blank > enough of that sort of ongoing blunt " German Hatred "or your sorry Ass will be thrown out at once !
It is bordering on sheer Insanity seeing these > Zionist - Scum lecturing the new German Generations about their country`s past - while at the same time his very own " Israel uber alles " despicable treatment of the Palestinian people at present - is being totally ignored > speaking of hypocrite lunacy by these very sick people.
No connection what so ever between the events in the 2 ww and the Israeli Palestinian conflict.
No compare what so ever between the historical facts which regards what happen to the Jews in Europe as citizens of their own countries,and the struggle of the Palestinian people to get their statehood.
who compare between the 2 historical events show he does not hve a basic knowledge in historical defintions and historical events,
we do not need to teach the European over their past ,they know exactly what they have done.
Frankly,do you ever read that nonsense you write before you put it out there?
There is ample evidence that you are obviously a real mentally sick individual.
One has to come to this simple conclusion based on all of your other very weird responses you have posted thus far - can`t help myself, you`re a > certified Idiot !
First go to elementry school and get some instruction how a man should express his opinion, certainly without calling the other one names....
Second ,calm down and go to learn some basic facts in history of both different historical events ,before getting angry and blaming the other.
You forget that the Grevitarsers were also involved! They convinced the Khazar Jews who established the Rotschild Soup Kitchen in Peru to hunt the Balblers in the 1930s. These Balblers wanted to prevent the Jews from attacking Germany. In 1934, the leader of the Jews in Germany, Abraham Malagatani, declared war on the Balbers, who were the same Zionists who put an ultimatum on the Grevitasers, who back then worked for Israel. The Rotschild Soup Kitchen attacked Hamburg in 1935 (this is not mentioned in any history book, the Rowesmits took it out in the order of Dr. Malagatani, the Zionist Hasbara troll). The German elected democratic government then started a boycott against the Balbers, but Hitler only wanted to prevent them from continuing attacks that will bring the Zionists to power in Gratislavia. The United States supported the Balbers and Zionist Germans infiltrated the highest command of the German Government. A worldwide boycott against the Balbers convinced the Rothschilds to make an agreement with Khazar Jews and that's what eventually caused the war. Then the 10 Jews who died in the war reestablished the Balberg Movement. Dr. Malagatani then was working with the Zionists on continuing the war against the Rowesmits, when then were already in full control in Gratislavia. David Duke offered Malagatani a peace agreement that will give equal rights to the Rowensmits, but the Rothschild Soup Kitchen was against, and in 1946 it was clear that there won't be peace with the Balbers.