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A Bavarian music award has been suspended after it was reported that its founders and patrons had been friends with Hitler, and had supported the Nazis from the days of the failed 1923 beerhall putsch.
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I could not have said it better myself!!
There comes a time when the flagellant realizes all he is doing is killing himself. 65+ years is is long enough for this self punishment, the Japanese got over their self punishment a long time ago it's time for the Germans to move on.
P.S. The communists have murdered one hell of a lot more people than the nazis ever dreamed of killing and the communists don't seem to care about it.
On your P.S. the nazis held power from 1933 till 1945 ,12 years which communist killed on that scale? and which communists set up state run death camps with gas chambers and ovens?
On you other point I agree hindsight is a easy thing to have when many Germans we with adolf in the "good" times up till 1942 when many stepped away.I don't think the Japanese ever had self punishment as they still have war criminals honoured by a visit every year.
On 12 January 2010, the court of appeals in Kiev opened hearings into the "fact of genocide-famine Holodomor in Ukraine in 193233". In May 2009 the Security Service of Ukraine started a criminal case "in relation to the genocide in Ukraine in 193233".[34] In a ruling on 13 January 2010 the court found Joseph Stalin and other Bolshevik leaders guilty of genocide against the Ukrainians.
Hitler's crimes in Ukraine have been better documented and are better known. Stalin once said that history is written by the winners. As a victor, Stalin's USSR was able to hide its genocide of Ukrainians. After the war Stalin said that 7 million Soviet citizens died but we know he was concealing the true higher figures. Nikita Krushchev in 1961 set the death toll in the USSR at 20 million and this seems to be a credible and accurate statistic. Recently Moscow has quoted figures of 25 and 27 million. These new figures are either sheer propaganda or are based on new information about Stalin's genocide of Ukrainians and other Soviet citizens during the War.
Today all over independent Ukraine there are discoveries of mass murder graves in the suburbs of cities (such as Bykivna in Kiev), and near all the KGB (NKVD) secret police stations throughout Ukraine. The Ukrainian victims of Stalin's Soviet Russia number in the millions. Many Ukrainians are also buried in the mass graves of Siberia. It is unknown how many of these Ukrainian victims of the Soviet system perished during the war years.
As of March 2008, several governments[26] have recognized the actions of the Soviet government as an act of genocide. The joint statement at the United Nations in 2003 has defined the famine of 1932-1933 as the result of actions and policies of the totalitarian regime that caused the deaths of millions of Ukrainians, Russians, Kazakhs and other nationalities in the USSR.[27] On 28 November 2006, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian Parliament) narrowly passed a law defining the Holodomor as a deliberate act of genocide and made public denial illegal.
There may not have been any gas chambers or ovens but there were many death camps (gulags) in Siberia where million of Ukrainians were sent to die.
What would people have them do with the money then?
Isn't this better than if they left the money to the NDP?
Just asking.
If these folks had made their money from slave labor (which I suppose is possible) or were actively involved in running a camp, that's one thing. However, in 1933 and thereafter a lot of people thought the regime had some good ideas, and with good cause.
In short, unless this money is clearly tainted, I'd say it's time to move on. It sounds like the festival and prizes are a good thing today, and maybe that's what ought to be considered. After all, what "German" can look back through the family tree to that time and not find relative who "was involved." Maybe they weren't party members or big supporters, but they likely followed the rules of those days. I think it's time to move on.
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----wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India
Even Churchill was responsible for the Death of 6-7mio People between 1942-1945
www.countercurrents.org/polya130611.htm
Spam alert,you have to use google.
But no one from the former colonial powers like to speak about it.Like Portugal,Spain,Belgium,Netherlands,France,Italiy, or their dictatorship before hitler and after until the seventies.like Greece,Portugal,Spain or the Eastblock Countries.Yeah but always point the finger on the Germans.Waiting for the next Nazi Movie.
Max and Maria Wutz did not necessarily make their money from slave labour and probably were not actively running a camp, but their were "lifelong supporters of Adolf Hitler and dedicated Nazis". So they did not stopped believing in the Nazi credo and this is probably why they kept the Nazi memorabilia.
As long as the Wutz are not mentioned in connection with the festival, I see no problem in using their money to finance it. That's why I think it is good that since 2010 the organisers stopped mentioning them. Also that they threw away the Nazi memorabilia. Of course, they should have also not mentioned the Wutz between 1984 and 2010. I guess it was plain stupidity, not a try to revive the Nazi ideology.
So, dear people of The Hanns-Seidel Foundation, please make a public statement of being against the Nazi ideology and then carry on with the festival, without using the Wutz name again.
For that matter, even though this couple supported the Nazis through the war years, how does that indicate they were "life long" supporters? because they saved memorabilia in their home? If anything this gift seems to me to indicate that perhaps they did grow to embrace peace and democracy in later years, that fact that she left her fortuneto an organization dedicated to supporting peace and democracy seems more relevant to me than that she saved the old photos and awards.