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How has society here in Germany survived this long with out confronting this issue?
We need to set up special committees in the work place to address this major problem..
just kidding :-)
"Women want to be like men? For two generations most german men were slaughtered in wars. They are welcome to it."
Women are actually quite a bit nicer in Germany than they are in western countries. I do not call germany "western" as living in Germany is like living on a different planet compared to Australia, UK, Ireland, USA...all countries I have lived in for some time.
What part do you consider crazy?
I've always loved the "feminist women just wish they were men" bit, because it instantly reveals the person who says it as an ignoramus who actually knows very little or nothing about feminism.
You do realize that there are quite a few different schools of feminism, each of which has its own beliefs and goals - right? Yes, there are some extreme ones who think that men are worthless or that women and men are the same in every way (except physically) - but they're actually a small minority in the larger feminist community.
You also realize that there are male feminists, right?
My advice: Actually read some feminist writings. You may be surprised by a few things.
Hint: A vast majority of feminist women do NOT wish they were men.
What an offensive thing to say given German history. German men "weren't slaughtered" passively. All Germans (men and women) made a choice to fight vicious and cruel wars of aggression against the rest of Europe.
And modern German attitudes towards the military are really no more mature: Germany's supposed pacifism masks a deep guilt over German history and shifting blame for their political choices to the military. And Germans also have found "pacifism" a convenient excuse to let other people do their military dirty work.
Is it unfair that more men than women hold influential positions? Yes
Is it unfair to deny a better candidate the job he wants because he's a man? Yes
The fact is that the job should go to the best person for it, regardless of sex. The balance as it is simply indicates that of the applicants, the majority were presumably men. Of course the nub of the issue is, 'did they get their job because they were the best for it, or because the person hiring didn't want to give it to a woman?' I'd like to think that in the 21st century that second scenario was incredibly unlikely, but I accept it perhaps isn't as unlikely as it should be.
Furthermore, it's important to consider if a particular job is generally attractive to a gender. We all know of jobs dominated by men and ones dominated by women and it's ok, even in an age of equality, to recognize that the genders are different in ways that go beyond their bodies. Of course, these tendencies don't apply to everyone but there are undeniable trends.. whether that's nature or nuture is a long debate too.
On balance, I can only guess that the way forward should perhaps be to work to change discriminatory attitudes, without shoehorning people into positions on anything other than merit to simply balance the gender books.
"Is it unfair that more men than women hold influential positions? Yes"
Why do you say that when all your other arguments, which I already mentioned in the first comment, condemn such idea? It is not unfair to have more men holding influential positions when there are many more man working to reach such positions than women.
What we are discussing here is also being discussed elsewhere:
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20121024-45755.html
But who cares, they are only a bunch of male chauvinist pigs, what do their concerns matter, when some women are not getting promotions in corporations to buy more designer dresses and shoes, with their 75% of luxury dollar at their disposal.
OK, enough tongue in cheek, here's the reality, anyone who says they are for equality, and then calls themselves a feminist or a masculist is a moron, because if you were really for equality, you would call yourself an equalist. Misandry is alive and well in the western world, always has been. Feminist sexist hatred of men and their crazy gender war, is really a smokescreen for the real wars, especially the class war. Come in suckers.
Its all brewing ....