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The former East Germany is officially one of least religious places on the planet, with more than half of people living there saying they do not believe in God.
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1) Many Soviet-satellite areas lives with suppressed religious rights for years. It could take more than a generation before that effect is gone.
2) The traditional Christian religions in Germany were Protestantism and Catholicism. In the USA, Catholicism is hitting difficult times because baby-boomers struggle with the limits for divorcees AND Gen-X/Gen-Y struggle with the limits on birth control. Both are hitting the 'Catholic populations' at the exact time that poor Institution-Governance has hit a long-time high for the Church.
3) The presence of a German Pontiff from the post-WW2-era is edgy for the Christian population.
I am sure that other reasons exist, but these are hypotheses...
they are also much easier to exploit.
religion is a kind of opium that allows a nation to lull itself into wishful dreams and so forget the injustices that are being perpetrated against the people. hence the close alliance between those two great political forces, the state and the church.
both need the illusion that a kindly god rewards—in heaven if not on earth—all those who have not risen up against injustice, who have done their duty quietly and uncomplainingly.
that is precisely why the honest assertion that god is a mere product of the human imagination is branded as the worst of all mortal sins.
Simple, fear. While comunists persecuted any dissent, even atheists not belonging to the comunist party, in west germany the same nazi-catholic-ltherian structures where preserved by the americans and the english to fight agains comunism...
After the fall of the wall, who was really liberated? the east from all persecutors.. Not west where all continues to be business as usual...
Free yourself, german man!
Well wrote.
Both give us the promise of jam tomorrow,but sadly tomorrow never comes.
Although I can't speak for Germany, and I'm not a Catholic, I think the major issue for Catholics in the US is that they simply see the church as being utterly out of touch with reality. It's not the "lack of faith" that's driving people away, it's the hypocrisy.
The church teaches, or claims to teach, things that it continually demonstrates it does not believe itself. The world-wide revelation of priestly abuse has certainly affected some in Germany too. In the US, something like 80% of Catholics don't agree with, or follow, the church's dogma on contraception and family planning. Recently the church has been at the forefront of the Gay Marriage debate, clearly injecting itself deeper and deeper into the secular government, and claiming "freedom of religion" to fight against laws that allow that very freedom. They are seen by many as trying to force their views upon others in places such as the provision of health care for non-religious employees.
I believe that world-wide, people are "discovering" that you can live true to the ideals of Jesus without belonging to a specific church, and that is the ultimate fear of religion...that the people will suddenly wake up and discover that their relationship with "God" doesn't require somebody telling you what to do every moment.
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If it wasn't for all of the hippies here, I'd like to think Southern California might one day take home the honors.
But, let's think about it, we've got an entire smorgasbord of pies in the sky to choose from, including a Kabbalah Center, and a Scientology Temple.
And who could forget all of the cults we've spawned? From Charles Manson to Jim Jones, we're actually pretty high on the list of religious nutbaggery now that I think of it.
But hey, at least it's not Alabama. Could be worse... much, much worse.
The East Germans now live in a country where religion plays a part in many ways. The state collects taxes on behalf of the churches. Church bells ring out at high volume several times a day all over the capital city. Priests were allowed to get away with raping children for many years. The biggest political party has the word Christian in its title. It's considered a big issue whether Islam is part of German society, as if the question of personal religion beliefs have any relevance in public life.
Maybe if religion had been more suppressed in the east and less part of the establishment in the west, East Germans would have been more sympathetic to it.
It takes religion to make good men do evil.
Godly good!
Good, and even better!
I do not care about Ossis, but let people believe in their disbelief everywhere!
This is the opposite of living in the current U.S. of A. which was so different in the 70ies when there was a place for everyone. Even (HA HA, even ) the "non-believers".
NOW, you are a weird and despicable outsider if you do not spit on Darwin and believe in "creationism" (WHAT THE HELL is that? I have never even heard this word at the university. Cretinism? LOL !)
Religion belongs home behind your personal closed doors like your sexual preferences and favorite positions.
That one bishop from Cicero , Illinois could not leave Vatican City, because the Italian police were waiting for him outside. !
I predicted the great resurgence of religion in the "Former Soviet Union". I mean, if a cheezy plain priest outfit costs $1,000, just think of the price of those psychedelic Russian Orthodox priests suits.
Think of it...the worlds greatest salesmen, marketing a non-existent product for 2,000 years! And making a mountain of cash doing it. No wonder religion tumbles out of the closet any chance it can get, selling mumbo jumbo to people trying to buy a ticket to heaven. Wearing rock-star outfits!
I'm thinking of getting a good used priest's cape to wear daily. I mean, you only have one opportunity to make a dramatic entrance, and I just don't have the courage to go around carrying a cross.
"Humans will always have a need for a Moral Compass, otherwise they are likely to act on whatever thought enters their mind, regardless of how toxic and destructive it might be." AD
I have studied and read about numerous concepts, ideologies and religions.
And I can honestly say that Christianity, a life based on the ways of Jesus, does offer an extraordinary number of benefits. Combine the ways of Jesus with The Psychology of the Spirit of God, and you will literally get perfection.
Anyone else get the feeling that this is a wrong statistic, or a typo? Later on, it says:
>In former West Germany, 36 percent of over-68-year-olds said they believed in God, compared with 18 percent of people younger than 28.
That's a massive discrepancy.
"Humans will always have a need for a Moral Compass" - too bad that Christianity and specially the Bible preach against human values. Religion playing a lesser role in society shows that humankind is growing up and leave the dark past behind.
I may be one of few to notice that Logic Guy's post is one of the few posts NOT to project ridicule or judgement.
While many Christians live against human values, Christ's teachings are the ultimate of eternal human values of a love fewer and fewer people are grasping because of the insanity of today's world. The world would be an awesome place just merely if the stance was in that direction. No one is perfect, not even close. There are "kind" atheists, but I have found at least the same level of arrogance and hypocracy among them and poor treatment of others. You have to get to know an individual before you judge them, but once you get to the point of judging them, you've realized you've duped yourself into falling into the trap of judging them.
Just as it's myopic to think there is not life on other planets, it's myopic to think there is no spiritual reality outside the cause/effect chain of physics (which will always require a non-physical Origin). God's existence doesn't depend on what percentage of people believe it, just as if there is life on another planet, its existence doesn't depend on our level of belief in it. Actually read the words of Christ, and sit in the joy of non-judgement and peace. The people I know who do this regularly have helped others and have brought peace to countless people. "Christians" who have harmed others badly, have not done this.
When talking about brain and belief in God, one should note the recent scientific research on the matter. Short extract:
"...the participants with more significant injury to their right parietal lobe showed an increased feeling of closeness to a higher power."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/god-spot-in-brain-is-not-_n_1440518.html
The abandoned or secular use of former church buildings in Germany is, indeed, a reflection of the people's loss of faith. Could this decline of faith and abandonment of God be the result of the centuries of mis-interpretation and perversion of Christianity in the West, especially in its Protestant forms? In contrast, could the reason for the revival of Holy Orthodoxy in Russia be that Orthodoxy comes the closest to the truth in its teaching of the Christian dispensation?
... or they are simply smart and not willing to be bullshitted into a specific dogma once again.
Strange that despite after 70 years of virulent persecution by those kind, humane, progressive, enlightened, humanitarian atheists in the Soviet Union, Russia is today one of the more religious countries in the world. Maybe we can learn something from them.
Two centuries ago, Benjamin Franklin asked. "If men are so wicked, as we see them now with religion, what would they be if without it?" Two centuries later, the great Russian author, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, in effect, answered Franklin's question by observing, "Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened." . . . . But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous [communist] revolution [of 1917] that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: "Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened."