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Germany: most unfair society in Europe

Published: 5 Mar 12 16:39 CET | Print version
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German women have to contend with the biggest gender gaps in wages and career opportunities in Europe, according to a new study by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

The report found that women in full-time jobs earn an average of 21.6 percent less than their male colleagues. This is significantly more than the average gender wage gap of the 34 industrialized countries that make up the OECD, which is 16 percent.

Of OECD countries, only Japan and Korea have a bigger average wage gap.

Germany's gap is even bigger in the public sector, where women earn 23 percent less than men.

The OECD expressly criticised the lack of women in management positions in Germany. “When it comes to women in leading positions, Germany is lagging a long way behind in international comparison,” the survey said.

According to the stats, only three percent of German management board seats are occupied by women, the lowest figure in Europe, and well behind Japan, Mexico, the US, and Russia.

The OECD average is 10 percent, while countries closer to Germany, like France, Sweden, Finland and Slovakia all have between 15 and 20 percent on management boards.

Many countries, including Spain, Iceland, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, are considering imposing gender quotas on management boards, and the European Commission is also putting pressure on leading European companies to improve its gender quota. Germany has so far declined to take this step, despite the damning figures.

The OECD identified Germany’s underdeveloped childcare infrastructure as one of the key reasons for the poor results. The lack of kindergarten and day-care places is hindering many women from getting back into work, the organisation said. Only 18 percent of German children under the age of two have access to day-care – around half the OECD average.

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17:18 March 5, 2012 by Wise Up!
Report is flawed. Women as a whole take less demanding jobs due to child reaing responsibilites than men. One should compare same job compensation as opposed to gender.
18:01 March 5, 2012 by William Thirteen
true enough, i am continually amazed at the level of sexism in the workplace here....
18:02 March 5, 2012 by Beachrider
There are many flaws here, but the data is NOT FLAWED.

You can try to do NOTHING about it and ascribe it to something that you can DISMISS TOTALLY. Just as the two comments do, above this one.

The Saudis use this approach. It doesn't look pretty.

Perhaps some wage-discrepancy can be laid to career-lifestyles, but it doesn't follow that the German-females are so-different than other European females.

This will be a fun thread to watch...
18:12 March 5, 2012 by DOZ
blah, blah, blah.
18:31 March 5, 2012 by Gretl
Wise up - take your own advice and wise up. "Women as a whole take less demanding jobs due to child reaing responsibilites than men" Why? Why don't women have children? Lack of daycare. Government keeps throwing Kindergeld at the problem, but career women don't want to be a hausfrau. Time to get with the program and offer real school and daycare reforms.
18:47 March 5, 2012 by Hans Tuga
Like all good christian conservative countries.. So many pious and obediant woman...

Who made women this way? Men...

Just get a pedophile priest... and we will have a party!!
18:49 March 5, 2012 by carlm
Women tend to earn less because they tend to be of less value to their employers. I don't make the rules, that just how it is in the real world. Similar studies say similar things about certain minorities. Employers tend to pay the most money to those they value the most. Get over it.
18:50 March 5, 2012 by catjones
german women have themselves to blame since many/most support the unequal pay saying men deserve more because they are the breadwinners. Women reinforce their own stereotypes.
19:13 March 5, 2012 by raandy
Ya, If the shoe fits wear it .......
19:49 March 5, 2012 by Englishted
The biggest problem in the developed world is not the gender gap but the gap between the haves and the have nots,the gender gap is just a small part of a large and depressing picture.
22:15 March 5, 2012 by Logic Guy
Well, according to human history, a society that does not respect women is one that is troubled at the core. And that nearly every problem can be traced to the disrespect of women.

What's wrong with women? I say absolutely nothing.

What if God were to remove all of them from the earth?
22:40 March 5, 2012 by Reader75
The accepted practice of age discrimination in Germany is more of a problem. It doesn't matter how much education you have or your qualifications, a Germany company will look more favorably at a younger candidate for a job.
02:20 March 6, 2012 by Yah right
@carlm

Does the word racist mean anything to you?

What about sexist pig?

If anyone in this world have little, if any value, it is people like yourself. You are a pisspoor example of a stone age behemoth. I will assume that you were likely a military man, as you sound like you share many beliefs with some who post here.
03:20 March 6, 2012 by Den Maskin
Comment removed by The Local for breach of our terms.
10:56 March 6, 2012 by andreas85
All the countrys with a big wage gap, are HUGE in tech export.

Germany has many thousand Mittelstand companys that are in export in technical stuff. Men in UK or USA just dont have this opportunities!

Maybe German females are not so different than other europeans BUT the german economy with the many thousand Mittelstand companys is!

The same goes for executives many of this companys are run NOT by people who have studied economics, but are engineers etc. and thats also why they are successful. And thats also why germany pays so much into the EU!

Also in the state just 18% of university professors are woman! because there is also a lot of technical stuff.

So the career chances are clearly there but woman would have to be MEN and dont want to give birth to kids, because the child day care is bad. And stop study economics, or basic school teacher and start study electrical engineering!

Thats why gender mainstreaming is bs. Woman need help to combine kids and career. And they have just different interests. statistics of how many woman study technical stuff just shows this. Or how many do an apprenticeship in an technical job.

So if you compare Germany with UK its just not a fair comparison because in UK also the men earn sh!t. (let a few in London out).

But ofcourse its a tragedy that 3/4 of people in low paid jobs are woman.

And the first """""female""""" chancellor ever does nothing!
15:28 March 6, 2012 by SchwabHallRocks
WHy doesn't some enterprising woman open up a day care facility, as a private investment.

That kills two birds with one stone. More day care, and the woman is the boss and can make millions of euros by filling the day care need.

(Can Germans do anything for themselves or must the government do it all i.e., must the govenrment open day care centers?)
17:08 March 6, 2012 by storymuse
@carlm: shame on you. @Yah right: thank you.

@catjones: "German women have themselves to blame." Really? This is as reasonable as the argument that bigots use against women who are raped ("they deserve it for dressing that way...being so sexy...[fill in the blank]"). Open your mind and question those assumptions.
17:56 March 6, 2012 by Yah right
@SchwabHalRocks

Really? A daycare? That is the best you can suggest for women. Your outdated attitudes about women and competency are obvious.

@carlm......with your racist,sexist, right wing BS....why don't you just get the hell out of here? You are a typical American male who has never grown beyond the beliefs he was raised with.

Go to bed with Monsanto. Abuse and exploit animals and tell us that this is the best humanity can do. tell YOUR country your BS beliefs, but SPARE US!
18:16 March 6, 2012 by andreas85
@SchwabHalRocks i would say sure there are not enough "self employed" but Germany has much more medium size companys as other countrys otherwise there wouldnt be this opportunities atleast for men.

And the government has nothing todo with this.

There were already before WW2 more family companys in GER as in UK,France.

But the idea is good, why has it to be state owned and run child day care.

If private would do this that could go much quicker.

And as you said already more woman would be there own boss and would earn more.

Yah right! why not if there is demand there has to be supply.

But maybe the problem is with funding.

@carlm less value dont think so, but its true that woman often chose those jobs that pay bad. and this is atleast not the fault of men.

but different interests. or that this jobs, social, retail trade, etc are just not good enough paid. but the thing is often technical jobs can earn the companys more money.
19:23 March 6, 2012 by floridaboy
Yah Right, I would love to know what else a typical American male is like?
19:57 March 6, 2012 by Yah right
@floridaboy

carlm is the typical US er
02:34 March 7, 2012 by Jeff10
In the US, Asian-American males of Northeast Asian (i.e., China, Japan, & Korea) and Indian descent comprise less than 1% of the US population; however, they comprise almost 60% of computer engineers. You know, the ones who design the inner-workings of computers.

So, is this due to the fact that the males of other races and females are discriminated against by employers? Or are there inherent differences in the intellectual capabilities of sexes and races?

Far more men than women major in the hard sciences. Why?
08:13 March 7, 2012 by Englishted
If some people who don't live here would like to ,the private sector has a lot to with the running of the ground schools (junior schools 6 -10 year olds ).

Therein lies a problem because they are run by churches protestant and catholic and so teach children the same old (floored) beliefs as always .

But children must go to school by law and in many towns there is no secular education till second school.

Which is why I think the state should and must be involved with anything involving children from schools to daycare to provide a safe and secure place for them.
15:23 March 7, 2012 by LecteurX
@ Den Maskin - Wow, that's really impressive how you managed to drag immigrants and muslims in a discussion about women at the workplace in Germany. No doubt if we had to elect the idiot of the day, it would be you.
18:13 March 7, 2012 by Jeff10
@Englishted:

In the US, home- and parochial-schooled children far outperform those educated in government secular schools by unionized teachers for whom what's most important isn't education of the children, but union matters regarding wages and benefits.

Having written that, the two most important factors for determining a child's performance in school are the child's family (does it place an emphasis on education, reading, etc.) and the child's IQ. There's only so much that can be accomplished by teachers and cirriculum.

Of course, the parochial (religious) schools emphasis reading, math, and science. Hence, students of such schools out score public (secular) school students on all tests for these subjects. In other words, while there is religious instruction, parochial students aren't memorizing the Bible.

In fact,all Lutheran schools' students in the US do very well on national, standardized tests.
11:37 March 8, 2012 by ved
Until and unless, society reconstructs itself from the very basis of human education, separating men and women in the earliest ages possible, no concrete and long lasting progress will happen.

Long lasting progress could look like human beings all over the earth having an innate ability and outlook to see that everyone is in the end a human being. Gender, income, strength, everything else is secondary.

How about a proactive solution to eliminate bathrooms for men and women and make them unisexual?

How about making gender-unbiased toys for children?
21:07 March 9, 2012 by strahlungsamt
First of all, how many commenters here are either in Germany or have lived in Germany long enough to know what's going on there? If you haven't please get off the boards. Thank you.

Now, on to the subject of the article. The gender gap has to be the least of Germany's problems right now. The biggest issues are the 1 euro job scam and the aging population

The 1 euro jobs have killed off any incentive for anyone to work in Germany. When I lived in Germany in the 80s, if I ran out of money, there were always lots of dishwasher jobs available, or something equally lousy, which paid fairly well and I could get myself back on track financially and even save a bit. Now, all those jobs are gone to 1 euro jobs and are only open to those on Hartz.

The aging population is another issue. Recently, Audi created 120 new training positions for school leavers, leading to full-time employment. Only 100 kids applied. In Bavaria, they are importing school-leavers from Bulgaria to train in careers the German kids can't fill or are not interested in. Already the number of pensioners has overtaken the number of workers and this number is only increasing. Factor in the 1 euro jobbers who are not paying into pension funds and Germany will have a nice disaster in about 20 years.

As for a gender gap, I was always under the impression it was the polar opposite. Every job ad has to say the feminine form as well as the masculine and I always saw plenty of women in positions of power. On the other hand, I hardly know any kids living in a family of 2 parents who are married to each other.
21:59 March 9, 2012 by gtaglia
The idea that government should be involved in regulating these things is wrong. Employers hire people because they have things that must be done, in order for their business to be profitable and survive. If employees were not required to appear on a regular basis and do their job, there would be no reason to hire them, or pay them at all. An employee's value to an employer is based on productivity, which means that those who are absent more frequently are worth less.

Government meddling, with the intention of imposing some sort of supposed fairness, drives up the cost of production by requiring more employees, or results in reduced production This increase in cost of producing a unit of whatever goods, or services the employer is selling makes the employer less competetive with others selling similar products and will eventually result in reduced demand for the product and the employees who produce it.

Good employers value productive employees who make them money and will accomodate their needs for time off, etc., within reasonable limits. But, only the employer can know what is reasonable to a particular business, not politicians and bureaucrats with no knowledge of the specific circumstances of each individual operation. In an unregulated market, the more productive employees will have better jobs, with better employers and higher pay, which is as it should be. Anyone who wishes to earn more, needs to learn more and do more, making themselves a more valuable product, not beg government to force employers to pay them more than they are worth.
15:09 March 10, 2012 by Bruno53
So "Kurche, Ketchun und Kinder' [Church, Kitchen and Children] is still going strong after 67 years from the defeat of mysoginistic Nazi Germany? Rosa Luxemberg and Marlene Dietrich wouldn't be surprised if they were was around today.
21:44 March 10, 2012 by Deutschguy
It is not a case of women wanting to be paid more than they are worth. Nor is it a case of women not being qualified.

This research is so old, it's unbelievable I have to mention it. People hire other people who look, act, and talk like themselves. Meaning, that if men are doing the hiring, they will hire other men...unless, there is some incentive to hire women and minorities who are equally qualified.

No firm should be given a public contract unless they have a diverse workforce, and that includes management. And, the hiring process used by these firms needs to be inclusive and involve specific outreach to women and minorities. This idea that we'll hire any qualified woman "who walks through the door" is baloney. I have watched that in action, and it was nothing more than an excuse to hire a good 'ol boy.
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