One third of children born out of wedlock

Dictionary definition of Bastard:

bas·tard

n. 1. A child born out of wedlock.

I have a couple of bas.tards

And the point???

It is better to have a child been born in wedlock and survive than been marriage and have a child slaughter to death in Frankfurt am Main. People I manage to explained what happen to my child in the hands of those Murdered offen say to me what happened to your child was just a murder. Does it happen in Germany? eventhough one says it happens in Frankfurt am Main.

Huh, what? :/

A recipe for low performance and societal/cultural collapse is a high number of out of wedlock births. Even with the high rate of abortions in Germany; still 33% are born out of wedlock. Compare out of wedlock birth rates by ethnic/racial group in the US with academic achievement and see what you find. A mitigating factor may be that many of the out of wedlock births are by older mothers that may be more financially stable. Nonetheless, this only is part and parcel of the catastrophic demographics of Germany and most of W. Europe. Remember, the future belongs to those that show up for it. Somewhere between abortion, out of wedlock births, and Kindergeld; Germany must find a future.

Do you need be married with the children's mother if you the father...? Or is child out of wedlock if you are not?

I thinks that's normal setup with grown up germans atleast in south.

These german rednecks have habits from stone age.

@danceswithgoats

I think you are overreacting a bit. As it said in the article this shows on a shift in social norms. Marriage is not as important to young people these days. Does it mean that more of these "bastards" are being born into unstable families? No, not necessarily. I think they are being born into familys where the parents are not seing marriage as a crucial ingredient to being a family.

Being born out of wedlock doesn't necessarily mean that you where concieved at a one-night-stand! This is not the 18th century.

Joshen - so, are they being born into "stable" homes? I would be willing to be that some are and most are not. England is getting a taste of what happens when "social norms" shift.

I am sure that most are not born out of one-night-stands.

@danceswithgoats

I agree that some are while some are not. That is the reason why I wrote "not necesserily". Bottom line is that I think that it is a false assumption that a family that gets kids without being married is more unstable than one with married parents.

Not to mention children born into a wedded household only to end up with a divorced parent. Marriage does not produce stability. What's the difference if you are born to a single parent or end up with one?

There are lots of unmarried couples who stay together longer than the married ones! Being born out of wedlock does not mean the same as being born to a single mother.

It's so annoying, always the same story: you get a "society" article, all the conservatives immediately get on their moral high horse and produce unfounded theories out of thin air or Bronze Age principles. Let's look at some FACTS (you know, tangible evidence) first. Here are some countries with much higher out-of-wedlock birthrates, or OOW (as of 2007) than Germany has, and see the fertility rate (F, 2005-2010 according to UN):

Iceland: OOW = 66% - F = 2,05 kids per woman

Sweden: OOW = 55%, F = 1,8 kid per woman

Norway: OOW = 54%; F = 1,85 kid per w.

France: OOW = 50%; F= 1,9 kid per w.

Denmark: OOW = 46%; F = 1,8 kid p. w.

Netherlands: OOW = 40%; F = 1,72 kid p. w.

Ireland: OOW = 33%; F = 2 kids p. w.

I willingly left out the UK and US. All these are not countries currently in a situation of "demographic collapse" as Germany is. These are different countries with different cultures (well we see a trend with the Nordic / Scandinavian ones there but we also have Catholic Ireland and secular France in the list, + UK and US).

There's no point being simplistic here; because there's no simple, one-size-fits-all explanation. However, thanks for trying Joshen, but I don't think you'll manage to convince people who disagree with you that married couples are not necessarily more stable or happier or better performing than unmarried ones. I do agree with you, but usually people make up their minds regardless of facts they are presented with... Here are my sources for the stats, btw

For OOW birthrates by country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(law)#Current_trends

For Fertility rates by woman and by country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_fertility_rate

Results of a socialist welfare state; where the gov't takes over the role of provider and the biological father is made irrelevant. Germany is becoming a Third World country that's so in debt and so dependent.

What matters most is whether the father is around on a daily basis.