February 9, 2012
Published: 6 Jun 10 11:48 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100606-27673.html
A study that shows boys growing up in religious Muslim families are more likely to be violent seems set to reignite the debate over religion and integration, a media report said on Sunday.
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Have you ever been invited to a Muslim birthday party? I haven't ,nor has my son - although he has plenty of Muslim friends. When I invited some Muslim children to a barbeque party they would only eat if we assurred them the food was halal ,and then they took the plate of halal food to a corner and ate it between themselves. It was not an experience I am in a hurry to repeat.
In addition, most Asians in the UK I know also "import" a husband or wife from their native country which cannot aid integration into the host country.
"We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same;
to Him we are submitters."
I am a muslim and I am sick of these stupid conclusions, like imams are the guilty ones. Lets say I accept the results of the questionare, but on which basis is the conclusion made, there is absolutely no proof to the claime. Point is, the questions asked are just as much cultural issue, and cannot be directly mapped one to one to religion. There are other social issues to it too, apart from agressive video games. I see here an intention of finding a scientifical basis, of putting islamic mosques and imams under the control of the state, in the metters of religion it self. The same state which does not reckognize Islam as the official religion, as it does Christianity. But no study is made to say why do Muslims feel like they do, about integration, that is assimilation.
@AlinBrum: Well i'm sad really that you have had such a bad experience with 3 or 4 Muslims out of the Billions that are there in the world. But i'm actually more sad that you have a child who might grow up to believe what you believe. Maybe you've met the wrong people or you've seen them in a very biased perspective. Just like all Germans arent Nazis, all Americans arent Republicans, the same with MUSLIMS. If you invite me to a BBQ, i wont eat your pork (mainly becuz it is very harmful for the human body), but i'll eat Beef/Lamb and chicken if you grill that..regardless if bought from a Turkish shop or Lidl. You know.. i might even Prost you on somethings.
I would love to join you in your Delusions!
I, however, just can't get around this whole pesky 'reality' thing. But don't worry, my friend! Your boy Obama will be out on his ass come 2012. Then you can get back to your Republican Jihad. oh wait, you DON'T HATE. You are obviously above all that. This article OBVIOUSLY makes no sense.
And since you Hate Nazi's so much, pray tell, what part of Nazi philosophy is it that you Hate the Most?
Logic and human emotions are opposites. Therefore it's understandable, as to why people are not interested in embracing a form of intellience that is so very foreign to them. Unless there is a sudden discovery of the essentialness of logic, then problems such those discussed in the article will continue forever.
Logic is thinking power. Without, you are like a rock on the ground. You will never get far.
Maybe the more appropriate question is what part of Nazi philosophy is it that you like the most?
Exclusion has nothing to do with this. Read the Qur'an and Hadith. And you will understand is not us, its them.
i have seen nice people with many different cultural background. it all depends on the personality. i would like to have a talk with the researchers of this project. you cant just make conclusion by looking at some papers. you must live and experience things or at least a long face-to-face discussion with many people, before you learn something about them.
generally people with middle eastern look are not welcome in europe, it doesnt go that far to consider religion. Look how the jews were treated in europe, and it is still the same, but no one dares to speak it load.
this hate exists here in europe since thousands of years ago. check the history in.
The problem is not their logicality but their appropriateness for the modern world.
The Christian and Hebrew Bibles are said to be God?'s law and commandments written by prophets who were inspired by God or God spoke by way of messengers.
Maybe this is one of the reasons the Ancient Egyptians and Ancient Romans did not encourage or tolerate the concept?
Some of the world?'s conflicts that exist today are in part a result of political movements by Europeans, Arabs and US Americans. European colonists established what is now the USA.
Islam, Judaism and Christianity are religions and not cultures or a race of people. There is only one Human race.
Theodor Herzl - Austrian-Hungarian is the man responsible for the politics in modern Judaism.
Muhammad Ali - Albanian born in the Ottoman province Macedonia is the man responsible for the politics in modern Islam.
Jesus of Nazareth ?- born in Judaea governed by Rome, to most Christian denominations believe him to be the Son of God.
In my opinion The Holy Roman Empire and The Roman Catholic Church are responsible of the politics in modern Christianity.
Regarding this article, only The Christian Pfeiffer Institute knows the motivation for the study of religious Muslim boys.
The narrow self-serving study of Muslim families in Germany will continue the polarization of European-Arab religious and political groups.
European-Arab religion and politics are a problematic issue facing our world, maybe as the European Culture matures there can be more religious and political understanding and tolerance?
I guess its the isolation and the lack of the efforts to integrate foreigners that have given rise to the violent behaviour where these minorities through indirect ways have tried to raise there voice and presence, which was again not intentional.
It is a widely accepted theory that hardship fosters religiousity.
It is also a widely accepted theory that hardship encourages violence - domestic or other.
So the reason that we find some youngsters out there that are both religious and ready to use force, might as well be a consequence of their families not doing very well compared to the average population.
seems his desire to disprove, backfired.. And I have to agree with Nass, "it's people, not religion. Circumstances are probably a greater factor.
So in summary, the study is inconclusive...
Religion is the creation of people. The Bible and the Qur?'an were written by people mostly European people none, which were eyewitness or lived during times of the events they have prophesized.
Using labels such as integration of foreigners and calling a group of people minorities is a distraction and counterproductive. Judaism, Islam and Christianity are a European-Arab religion.
Many of the peoples that live or are from Turkey, Egypt and the Middle East countries are European-Arab descendents.
The practice of drawing Country boarders by Europeans has been proven to have negative consequences and building walls, fences and the fear of strangers is not logical, it?'s Xenophobia.
If fear of strangers were a logical emotion the experience of the first Europeans to arrive in the Americas would not have been one of welcome by the indigenous peoples.
Love, Hate, Envy and revenge are emotions that all human beings are capable of expressing.
If serious effort was made to address the problems of hunger, poverty and ignorance maybe there can be less religious politically motivated conflicts in our world.
I know muslims allways say this (I also know about taqqiya - the practice that all muslims lie about islam to non muslims in any way possible, to disguise what it really is)
Kamilkamil - Jews and Christians do not call something with the character, methods, nature and schemes and promisses of sexual perversions for following it, ie SATAN...... we do not call him God..
Who you have chosen to call god, is not God, the real God warns of satan, not tells us to follow and obey him.
But we should also consider that true followers of any of the religions are far less than the ones registered as followers of that religion.
People go to night clubs more than they go to church on sundays, and yet they are registered as Christians! The same goes with Muslims.
I think these kinds of researches are just political, and those researchers get also the fund of course ;-)
I didnt care about god or God .in turkish language we use tanrı same with god it means any god true or false muslim god or christian god or budist god ..
Islam is very clear. Everybody can read it. I cant accept perversions . There are 610 pages in it and its open to everybody. Its original because it was written directly when prophet read it. But your book isnt same. Becuse it had writen 40 years after the jesus. I heard that you have old one new one that revised by your priest. This is the link you can check it. youtube(-)com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY
The conclusion was that this violence was the cross of an Islamic identity, conservative Imams, and ill treatment by die Deutschevolkerung and not definitively by any factor alone.
I would be interested to know, if these questionaires were done double blind, what sort of statistical techniques were used, what peer-reviewed journal the results can be found in, and why none of this important information is ever given in the realm of popular science.
Talonx's points are well taken.
And islam defines anyone as 'fighting' islam or a muslim, as anyone that does not accept that a multiple sexual pervert (muhammad) is the last prophet.
In any case since your still using taqqiya (the practice and requirement that all muslims lie about islam to non muslims, to disguise/confuse and deceive about what islam really is and teaches).... you disprove your own case.
I notice that you said "in turkish language'... that is the same turkey that now has a very disgusting human rights situation, where over 75% of muslim woman (let along non muslims) report being regularly beaten by their husbands.
Lets not forget turkies disgusting, depraved and evil treatments of non muslims over some years now.... as it becomes more islamic (ahuum, peacefull), in actions.
Of course we also do not forget the murdering of over 1 million armenians by the peacefull religion of islam's, turkish devision.
Conservative figure of islam being responsible for the deaths of at least 280,000,000 (280 million), non muslims.
Lets not forget also, that muslims are responsible for the deaths of more Muslims than any other group.
I suppose I told you clearly whats taqiyye. You should show me a document or an evidence about it . As I said Islam is very clear everything is open to everybody.
A lot of nations and different religions lived in Ottoman Empire. We arnt wild we have very clear individula rights and they . Yes we have a lot of problems and we are solving them gradually.
Armenians were our closest nation in Ottaman Empire you can ask them. Then they started to kill people to establish their state. But we forced them to migrate. We didnt kill 1 million. We are inviting them to investigate it with an international independent committee, why day say no?
You are exaggerating too much. We didnt kill 280 million we killed 280 billion non muslim ......! I wont answer your baseless claims.!!!!
Western nations have been using their own Taqiyya over last several centuries. War in Iraq for example. Quite often, Taqiyya is not even needed as brute force works better as you know. Now you are talking about sexual perversion, look at Vatican - if the Pedophilia -- it must have been going on for centuries and everyone is "shocked and dismayed". It is ridiculous that Westerners despite all their violence pretend that they are peace loving and accuse Muslims of the same.
Your post just illustrates the inherent hypocrisy in religion.
As an American, I am disgusted by the evil acts carried out by people clinging to the Holy Bible. I am equally disgusted by the evil acts carried out by people clinging to the Quran. And I can throw in the Torah, too.
Religion may not be the cause of violence, but it is the world's most fertile garden for growing it.
Who invented God, Hell, Heaven, Infidel, Demon, Angel, Devil and other such nonsense anyway? And what right do we have to impose this crap onto our children?
Ban it!