February 23, 2012
Published: 2 Jun 10 16:52 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/lifestyle/20100602-27603.html
Giving birth while living abroad can be a daunting prospect. The Local's new series Motherhood in the Fatherland follows expectant mum Sabine Devins as she negotiates the cultural quirks of having a baby in Germany.
Sabine Devins (news@thelocal.de)
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anyway it's better to be safe than sorry...:D
Went back to the same doctor and it seemed that she wasn´t happy to know that I was able to get pregnant without any help (apart from my husband´s) .She then told me that my age was a concern and I should think of doing an Amniocentesis to detect Down´s Syndrome. I am not ignorant and know that there are other less invasive exams that can be done before this one takes place . I moved to another doctor and this new one seems to be nicer. Let´s see.
One in particular I visited was more interested in overcharging for tests (which (I found out later, were not really needed)and then explain to you how to bill your insurance company so it gets paid. She ran a normal blood test which cost me 1200 euro in the end. Never saying it is an expensive procedure - moste blood tests run between 50-100 euro. Having a second and thgrird opinion, I found the blood test was not needed for what I went to see the doctor about.
I reported her to the base authorities and had her removed from all base lists refering people to local doctors. I am also looking at how to report her to the German authorities, but that takes some time and effort not speaking german.
In short, don't put up with Doctors or nurses that want you to do what they tell you. Always ask for the cost up front and if it sounds far fetched or you don't feel it's right, get a second opinion. Not all German doctors are out to rip one off. But when they know you are American, some take advantage of that knowing. They do like to scare the crap out of you as well, so be sure to keep the conversation on the topic and not what the end result is as the subject of the story explained.
the doctor wanting to warn you about possible problems. e.g.Downs Syndrome
you cant blame her. She might have been rather tactless about it but lets face it, it
is truthful. You are going to be 62 when your child is 20. Thats a lot of stress for
a kid to have such a senior mother. You will be old when your kid is a teenager. I wish you the best. Teenagers hate their normal age parents.God help you.! and I mean
that sincerely.
To Snorge. Having been a victim of ER procedures in the USA I can tell you that you
are being still treated a lot better here in Germany than EVER in the US. Its up to your
Base Authorities to give you good listings. So dont blame the doctor who is on the list.
My tip. Learn the language. That is what I did.
And to DoubleDTown.Germans do not treat pregnant women as if they were sick. Having a baby here is a natural thing. If your pregnancy is proceeding normally there is no reason to have to go to a sterile clinic environment to give birth. I was born
at home on the kitchen table, and I was a healthy baby from the beginning.
I agree with freechoice, German healthcare is indeed awesome! I've only been in Germany for a year and a half and I don't speak German very well (yet - i'm working on it!) but this (language and other cultural differences) did not hinder my relationship with my Frauenärztin (you build a relationship somehow as a result of the monthly visits and her concern for you and your unborn child - not including in-between visits when I had some complications with my pregnancy), my Hebamme (I attended pregnancy and birth preparation classes and she looked after my needs as well as my baby's even after birth!), the doctor who helped me deliver my baby as well as the hospital nurses.
Last July 2009, I delivered a healthy baby boy at 34 weeks. Despite the complications during pregnancy, the pre-term birth and my premature baby's 3-week stay at the Kinderintersivstation (neo-natal intensive care center), I never felt alone in this foreign land. My experience in terms of healthcare here in Germany is just amazing that it actually felt like 'home'.
In fact, the US has one of the highest death rates during birth of mothers and babies. Compare that to the countries that actively encourage more natural methods away from hospitals - they have some of the lowest rates.
I can tell you lot's about OB/GYN care in a number of countries. The German care is excellent and the "Hebamme" system is awesome. Generally, there isn't anything like it in the US.
Or are you so terrified by the "giving birth in another culture" thing that you haven't been able to notice?
Sabine Devlin detailed the process for the many women who are curious. It is not a critique of the German system of health care. I am sure a German woman may be a little confused when left alone to undress at her American doctor's office, just as an American may be a bit confused when not left alone when asked to undress in her German doctor's office. Preparing for and giving birth is a very individual experience and women want to experience it in myriad ways. No method is better than another.
Also, there seem to be more stereotype than fact. The rate of C-Section is low. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, about 15% of births are voluntary C-Section and 15% are doctor-required C-section.
Also, the United States does not universal health care. Unfortunately, uninsured have poor pre-natal care and high rates of complications and deaths. Americans with health care have excellent survival rates and low rates of complications.
The United States has many options for pre-natal, delivery and post-natal care, including midwives and traditional hospital labor and delivery.
I warn against discouraging an able-bodied and responsible person from having a baby, even if that person is, GASP, 42.
I would suggest that people who have nothing to learn from these series of articles stop reading, instead of attacking the writer and the health care systems in the U.S. and Canada.
Oh, I don´t have any complaints about the private and public health system in Germany, I just don´t like the experience I had with this doctor in particular. So I changed.
I didn't say that I am presently terrified, but that giving birth in a foreign place is terrifying. That's something I know lots about, having had two children here.
My babies and I enjoyed great prenatal, delivery and postpartum/infant care here, and two miraculous and very safe, drug-free births (which I know is very, very lucky). Having received some prenatal care on Long Island, I appreciated my German doctor's directness. I had wonderful, supportive midwives both at home and at the hospital. Now, I can't imagine going through the entire process anywhere else. Nor would I want to.
But, the vocabulary for childbirth was never covered in my German education. So, yes, it is scary to come here and be at the mercy of good friends who are willing to lend you books and answer questions some might consider embarassing. I mean, "Mutterkuchen," for crying out loud! That's quite a linguistic difference, to say the very least.
You obvious know what you say, but let me share with you my point of view:
1st regarding Arlette comment, and if i was this child she is caring, in 20 years time i would prefer to be 20 years old and have a mum with 62 but know i was wished and leave in a love and caring family then have 20 years old and have a mum with 40 that the only reason i exist was the fact that 20 years before none of my parents had a condom in the pocket.
2sd its clear that you adapt to this country (that is the way it should be!) and certain got the german attitude about telling all the others how bad they are and how good you and your life is.
I'm not english native, so please forgive any mistakes, and by the way I'm european, lived in 4 different EU countries and can tell you german doctors are certain NOT GOOD! The first thing they do when you call to set an appointment is asking if you have a public or a private insurance, what does this mean? Do you get a different treatment? That you will have your appointment quicker we already know!
And as you learn german, its a pity that you miss a big TV report about this subject last summer on the TV where all the german people i know and asked their opinion where ashamed with the system, obvious not all is bad, they do have the top equipment, but the problem most of the times is the attitude, they treat you as if you don't know anything (even know it's your body for i don't know how many years) and they are a superhuman that knows all, they are just a professional that studied the human body like i studied maths and they should realize that!
Last but not least, don't forget every pregnancy is different, like every person is different and we are all entitle to an opinion based on our own experiences and you should respect that!
Unlike the NHS which you appear to be used to dealing with, the German public insurance pays a flat quarterly payment for services provided to their subscribers. The German Docs depend on private patients to subsidize the others.
So yes they are interested in your type of insurance, but that is rather common sense isn't it.
For your information i did use the german public insurance for 2 years and change for private after going to the hospital and get no one to explain to me the problem that my 9 month old baby had because my public insurance would not cover the doctors that would speak english....how about that
Don't worry if i ever go to the States i'm one of the lucky ones that will have a private insurance but everybody knows the US system, here we are talking about EU and what i believe is that everyone should have the same treatment and rights, no matter the social level.
I have both private and public insurance here in Germany, but I use the public for all the appointments and treatments I have, leaving to the international private one just what is not covered by the public. It is my option because I pay more for the public than for the private. I don´t know if doctors here receive less from public insurance. I know that the payment is not immediate. However, the greater number of patients is public. So, it is not correct to think that the private ones will pay for the public ones. Doctors are free to attend only private patients. If the public is not profitable, why do they keep on attending? Because is the greater source of income (of course is more work for less). So, they should not treat them worse. They depend on them as well.
I don´t complain at all about the public service I get in other doctors I visit, but at the doctor´s office I mentioned, she just ruled out a Toxoplasmosis exam because she said my plan did not cover it. I said: What is the problem? I can pay for it. And before doing it I was told three times that I must pay for it. And being pregnant, I saw three other patients that weren´t, being attended before me. I waited for more than two hours at lunch time. This is disrespectful. So, I moved to another doctor who respects me as a patient and not for how much she will get in her pocket.
@ Ayna
@Ayna You said :"Teenagers hate their normal age parents". Sorry, in which planet do you live in to generalize things like this? This is not a fact. Have you got a teenage child that hates you? What did you do or not do for him/her to hate you? Relationships have nothing to do with age but rather with education. And what is a normal age? And a normal person? Can you say that a disabled woman for example shouldn´t have a child? Don´t you know any person that at 62 is perfectly healthy and fit? And by the way 20 is not teenage anymore.
And, here in Germany, "teenagers" leave their parents home at 18 or less (even depending monetarily on them, what for me is nonsense). Oh, Celine Dion and Kelly Preston, who can have children in whichever country they choose and surely not on their kitchen table, are pregnant at 42 and 47!!! Remembering that one of them lost her 16y.o.child . Who can say they shouldn´t be pregnant at these ages?
You said: "I was born at home on the kitchen table, and I was a healthy baby from the beginning." Are you sure you didn´t bungeejump, the umbilical cord was too long and you hit the head on the kitchen floor?
Why do I care about these kinds of comments? Oh, yes, the hormons! Oh. I am pregnant at 42 and enjoying life as never! Sorry to disappoint you. I mean it and wish you all the best from the bottom of my womb.
http://www.ob-ultrasound.net/
Thanks for the link. But the question remains unanswered. While an ultrasound or two during a pregnancy can be helpful, is it really necessary to have one every two weeks. Does this offer any additional benefit to the developing fetus, or is it used just because the technology is available and generates additional charges.
The doctors nowadays are really worried about being sued for malpractice. Maybe the US are a way for them to be feel secure or it is just a money issue.
Thanks a ton..:)
Someone had written that Americans have a lot of c-sections but I would also think that Germans do to. After 30 weeks you are put on the fetal heart rate monitor for a half hour every visit. How many unnecessary c-sections are done because of this?
And the chair.....OMG! It's very convenient for the doctor but how is a woman suppose to feel spread legged going up in the air above waist level whilst the doctor is talking away to you. Very uncomfortable. I guess this is where we differ culturally.
I was also very surprised at the midwives misconception of me because I was North American. They all thought I was American and I guess most of the American opt for c-sections and at the least, epidurals. That's what they told me. They didn't want me to have a labour and deliver room with tub or the birthing chair because they assumed I would get an epidural. That upset me. They are also not used to having patients involved in the decision making process of your own health care. They wanted to things like give me an enima which I refused. This actually made them mad and they started being rude to me. I'm in labour and they are being kurt with me. Needless to say, I am pregnant again and I have decided to have this baby in the Netherlands. They are on par with how Canada treats pregnancy.
I do not doubt that if there were complications that the Physicians would have been fantastic but if you having a normal pregnancy why all the hoopla?
First,
Congratulations! I am happy for you and your family and I hope you can ignore and forgive ignorant people that write or say comments that have absolutely no solid, rational ground.
We had a baby girl at 40 (in the USA) and she was (and is...) very wanted, loved and healthy. We are now expecting again, a few years later, and this baby will be born here in Germany - my husband is German.
The system IS different here - mostly positive - but for me, some negative experiences as well.
I too, changed Dr's in the beginning due to the callous attitude and treatment of the first Dr (mostly due to my maternal age).
I know that not all Dr's are like this and so I began my search again and did indeed find a friendly Dr who was willing to respect and accept some of my requests and also my choice to decline Amnio (I requested a diagnostic ultra sound instead).
And in my 5th month, I chose to have all my care done by a home midwife - very nice and understanding :)
Now, feeling very good (although VERY pregnant) 8 weeks from my delivery date, I am still folllowing up with midwife care and will deliver in a birthhouse or at home.
Thanks Arlete, for stating logic and truth ?- Wish you all the best on the upcoming birth of your baby!