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Study finds major discrimination against Turkish job applicants

Published: 9 Feb 10 16:12 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/society/20100209-25145.html

Jobseekers with Turkish names are clearly discriminated against when looking for work in Germany, a study released this week has found.

Researchers at the Bonn-based Institute for the Study of Labour (IZA) sent two applications responding to each of 528 advertisements for student internships, one application with a German-sounding name and the other with a Turkish-sounding one. Both applicants were German citizens with native German language skills.

The applications bearing the German names were 14 percent more likely receive a phone call response from the employer, and 24 percent more likely in the case of smaller firms.

“We interpret this finding as evidence for statistical discrimination,” he authors wrote.

However, the discrimination disappeared when the applications contained positive letters of reference about the candidate’s personality.

“The study shows that employers still have some things to learn when it comes to in-house human resources,” said an IZA spokesman. “Workers with immigrant backgrounds’ potential is not being fully realised.”

For the German candidates, the researchers used the names “Dennis Langer” and “Tobias Hartmann,” which were among the 30 most common first names and surnames in Germany for the years 1986 to 1988.

For the Turkish candidates, they used “Fatih Yildiz” and “Serkan Sezer” – both common for male descendants of Turkish immigrants in Germany.

Though the researchers were concerned by the results, they said the discrimination was mild compared with discrimination studies on ethnic minorities in other countries, such as Albanians in Greece, Arabs in Sweden or African Americans in the United States.

DDP/The Local (news@thelocal.de)

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20:43 February 9, 2010 by Rana Imran
This is not fair. If German Government gives an opportunity to study in Germany then it would be great to let them work as well. After finishing the study, many students think to work in Germany so that they can payback the efforts for Germany?'s people.

This is also in the favor of Germany that the country will make the progress with more pace.
04:59 February 10, 2010 by Armen
The Turks are much better off in Germany than some minorities in Turkey. Have you heard about any Turkish media outlet being as honest as this publication to report on the discrimination endured by the Christian Armenian and Greek minorities. Confiscation of church property, intimidating and threatening those who rightfully protest injustice is everyday occurence. I know this has nothing to do with labor studies, which is the jest of this article, but it may help put things into perspective, Turks need to realize that there are to sides to a coin.
07:33 February 10, 2010 by snorge
What did the researchers expect? That the foreign sounding names would be as equally picked as the German ones?

Seems like this was a waste of money, we all know people in general -no matter what nationality are biased...
08:46 February 10, 2010 by MaKo
That "Mann" doesn't sound so "toll" to me.

What else do you expect in a country where it's acceptable to show up at a Fasching party in blackface? Germany's got a long, long, long way to go.
13:42 February 10, 2010 by Dr. Cooper
I cannot imagine 2nd or 3rd generation Americans naming their child such foreign names (and often difficult to pronounce) like Erkan or Cumhur. These names are then given as a middle name, thus providing a connection to one´s tradition and ancestry. The first name would then be more "American" or "International". Prejudice and racism usually works in two directions. When one group of people do not show a desire to integrate, one cannot expect this group of people to neccessarily be accepted without prejudice.
14:22 February 10, 2010 by mixxim
Would anyone called Chelsea get a job? Not only is this not an English person's name but it is a place - part of London - but the Clintons were probably too stupid to know.... My next child could be called Teneriffe where it was conceived. Fortunately not in Istanbul or Dehra Dun.
14:47 February 10, 2010 by Dr. Cooper
http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Chelsea

In 1970 there were already more than 500 girls named Chelsea, so I doubt that the Clintons made the name up. And, of course, the name has become quite popular since the Clinton was in office. I guess there's a few people out there that liked the Clintons.........perhaps with good reason!
15:21 February 10, 2010 by mixxim
Thanks for your research, did you see where they were? America perhaps? How many named Kabul?
16:27 February 10, 2010 by Dr. Cooper
Yes, in America. But I made a mistake (sorry!!). Chelsea had a ranking of 500 on the list of most popular names in 1970. No Kabuls. And whereas Mohammed is under the top 100 most popular names (18 in England!) in Canada, Sweden, England and Germany, the name is ranked at about 620 in 2008 in America....and I bet most of those boys go by "Matt, Mark, or someother American (English) sounding name.....and there are up to 7 million Muslims in America.
21:19 February 10, 2010 by lordwilliams629
"I'm god's gift to women"
11:57 February 11, 2010 by Talonx
Tollerman, you've mentioned before that you are an immigrant to the U.S., how you do not see the hypocrisy in your statement is beyond me.

Dr. Cooper, your 'they don't want to integrate' argument is a bit of a red herring, considering the number of english speaking immigrants that come to germany and don't even attempt to learn german.
17:49 February 11, 2010 by Dr. Cooper
Of course, any English speaking immigrant who came to Germany and didn't learn German is not trying to integrate. Any immigrant, from any country, who doesn't learn German and more importantly, doesn't make sure their children learn German and fit into German society is a pure tragedy. I was not only referring to immigrants of Turkish background; that was rather the topic of the article. I was trying to make the point that integration is a two-way street. One cannot always bash Germany for being racist and not give credit to the number of immigrants from a plethora of countries who do not really TRY to integrate.
05:21 February 12, 2010 by Talonx
Cool cool, it's hard to tell the looneys from the real people on the local boards.

I agree about immigration being two-way one hundred percent, though my point was Turks that have come to Germany do quite a bit. In no fair-minded view could one say these immigrants aren't holding up their end of the equation. They do so more than most immigrants that come from English speaking countries. Data supports my position. So once again, I would like to state this argument is a red herring. It is quite rare to find such a case.

Regardless, the local has blown this out of proportion. As they mention at the end of the article, study author's conclude that the situation is much worse elsewhere (e.g., Americans being heavily predisposed to not hire people with dark skin), and when recomendations are factored in, the effect dissapears.

Germany, does better than most in these regards.
06:08 February 12, 2010 by parografik
Would you mind disclosing some of that data? And to be clear, I'm understanding that this data indicates efforts the immigrant populations make to assimilate? How is this measured? What are the criteria to assimilation? Clothing? Language? Names? Assimilating the names seems to me onerous and monotonous. As far as Americans naming their baby girls Chelsea, the variety runs far and wide of the standard baby name book, often reflecting the family ancestry going back more than two generations. Boys not so much.

I seem to hear a similar amount of disparaging remarks about Turkish people when I am in Germany as I might hear about the latin population here in the U.S. I find the remarks equally hypocritical and uninformed regardless of which side of the ocean I'm on.
12:40 February 12, 2010 by Talonx
Parografik, If you're truly interested, what I've given below is a good start to understanding the research that goes on to address the integration issue in germany. Don't bother reading just parts of the articles, because you'll miss the data if you do, try and read the whole thing if you really care to know.

To answer your questions, yes, especially the first article and as well some parts of the latter articles address this issue of immigrants 'making an effort'.

As for use of the word 'assimilation', NOT-RELEVANT. Nobody in the German government is concerned with forcing the world to be like them, hence use of the term integration as a matter of policy.

As for attitudes in Germany vs. other places, maybe you just keep bad company when you come for a visit. I've been here for 3 years, and have never had an awkward experience. Then again, you don't need to trust your or my subjective experiences, because alot of data has been gathered on this sort of thing, the beginnings of which can be found below :) .

On job creation by turks and integration of Turks in Germany:

Veysel, ?-. & Wolfgang, S. (2000).Selbständigkeit von Immigranten in Deutschland: Ausgrenzung oder Weg der Integration? Sozial Welt, 51(3): 289 - 302

I tried to send others via this post, but it wouldn't let me so I sent them to you through toy-town. Enjoy.
14:22 February 12, 2010 by Dr. Cooper
Yes, studies show that the Turkish population pays more into the social system (taxes) than it takes out. But that is not the point here. That is not integration. And I do wonder how fast a Turk would hire a "German" to work in his Doner shop???? "Assimilation" is the problem. Because not every Turk (I speak about Turks here only because the article is about them.) wants to work in a Doner shop or a 1 Euro shop. They want to find other jobs and don't understand why their names hold them back. Is it simply racism? Is it really so simple....I doubt it.
14:23 February 12, 2010 by tollermann
Talonx I haven't been posting for the last couple of days, but I can see someone deleted my comments. Let me put it this way. When I came to America I did not expect Americans to change anything for me! I didn't require billingual signs, government services in my native language, etc....the fact that the article uses the word TURK should send alarms off to everyone. Simple, either the job applicants are Turkish or they are German, they can't be both! Multiculturalism is a marxist/socialist/communist idea used to break up families, cultures, etc. I don't buy it!
16:25 February 12, 2010 by Talonx
Cooper, while let's let you who obviously knows absolutely nothing about the situation beyond what you've read in the papers or experienced in your life just decide every thing. Cooper for Chancellor! (sarcasm). But seriously, it may not be racism, but it's still xenophobia and ethnocentrism (both weaknesses of character) to deny someone a job based on their name. You'd find cooper, that Turks have created jobs for Germans, if you actually did the research.

Tollermann, your posts get deleted by the local staff. I'm guessing because you're comments are often times racially motivated and ignorant thus offensive. With regards American values and immigrants, that's one of the differences I'm happy to be privy to in Germany. Regardless, you are a full of contradictions, I've read you reffering to yourself as German before. What are you then? If you 'can't' be both as you say, how is it that you think you should have some special say with regards what Germans want to do in their country? Finally, nobody is asking you to 'buy' anything, just crawl into your bomb-shelter and let the real people deal with the real world -- while your down their maybe you could actually read a little into the matters of the rather large differences between marxism, socialism, and communism, perhaps you wouldn't sound like such an idiot when you write on here if you actually took the trouble to understand the things you try to talk about.
22:04 February 12, 2010 by surj
Agree with #2,
08:17 February 13, 2010 by Talonx
If it was up to the FDP Germany would look alot more like Turkey.
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