Published: 9 Feb 10 16:12 CET | Print version
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Jobseekers with Turkish names are clearly discriminated against when looking for work in Germany, a study released this week has found.
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This is also in the favor of Germany that the country will make the progress with more pace.
Seems like this was a waste of money, we all know people in general -no matter what nationality are biased...
What else do you expect in a country where it's acceptable to show up at a Fasching party in blackface? Germany's got a long, long, long way to go.
In 1970 there were already more than 500 girls named Chelsea, so I doubt that the Clintons made the name up. And, of course, the name has become quite popular since the Clinton was in office. I guess there's a few people out there that liked the Clintons.........perhaps with good reason!
Dr. Cooper, your 'they don't want to integrate' argument is a bit of a red herring, considering the number of english speaking immigrants that come to germany and don't even attempt to learn german.
I agree about immigration being two-way one hundred percent, though my point was Turks that have come to Germany do quite a bit. In no fair-minded view could one say these immigrants aren't holding up their end of the equation. They do so more than most immigrants that come from English speaking countries. Data supports my position. So once again, I would like to state this argument is a red herring. It is quite rare to find such a case.
Regardless, the local has blown this out of proportion. As they mention at the end of the article, study author's conclude that the situation is much worse elsewhere (e.g., Americans being heavily predisposed to not hire people with dark skin), and when recomendations are factored in, the effect dissapears.
Germany, does better than most in these regards.
I seem to hear a similar amount of disparaging remarks about Turkish people when I am in Germany as I might hear about the latin population here in the U.S. I find the remarks equally hypocritical and uninformed regardless of which side of the ocean I'm on.
To answer your questions, yes, especially the first article and as well some parts of the latter articles address this issue of immigrants 'making an effort'.
As for use of the word 'assimilation', NOT-RELEVANT. Nobody in the German government is concerned with forcing the world to be like them, hence use of the term integration as a matter of policy.
As for attitudes in Germany vs. other places, maybe you just keep bad company when you come for a visit. I've been here for 3 years, and have never had an awkward experience. Then again, you don't need to trust your or my subjective experiences, because alot of data has been gathered on this sort of thing, the beginnings of which can be found below :) .
On job creation by turks and integration of Turks in Germany:
Veysel, í. & Wolfgang, S. (2000).Selbständigkeit von Immigranten in Deutschland: Ausgrenzung oder Weg der Integration? Sozial Welt, 51(3): 289 - 302
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Tollermann, your posts get deleted by the local staff. I'm guessing because you're comments are often times racially motivated and ignorant thus offensive. With regards American values and immigrants, that's one of the differences I'm happy to be privy to in Germany. Regardless, you are a full of contradictions, I've read you reffering to yourself as German before. What are you then? If you 'can't' be both as you say, how is it that you think you should have some special say with regards what Germans want to do in their country? Finally, nobody is asking you to 'buy' anything, just crawl into your bomb-shelter and let the real people deal with the real world -- while your down their maybe you could actually read a little into the matters of the rather large differences between marxism, socialism, and communism, perhaps you wouldn't sound like such an idiot when you write on here if you actually took the trouble to understand the things you try to talk about.